Posts by Focus

1. i suspect the truth isn't what i thought it was.. 2. omg--i realize i've been lied to and duped.. 3. what should i do?--i don't want to lose my wife, kids, family, friends, dog, pet hamster .

.. 4. what if jehovah's witnesses really do have the true religion and it's simple human error screwing it up?.

Focus

Oops. I'm at "9". But then, I'm demonized, or so they said.

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("Theocratic dogs" Class)

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Focus reveals to you... God's Plan. Complete with Pile of "Rubbish" (literally)

by Focus in

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scroll down slowly (spoiler space below) so that the great god's plan is only progressively revealed to you:.

now, i ask you in all honesty - what could be clearer than the above?.

god's plan clearly jumps out of the illustration, doesn't it?.

Focus

Ah, you thought it was all done? Oh no! Now we move to page 34 of the same book, The Way To Paradise, advertised and distributed by the Watchtower, showing God's Design in the Creation:

There's really so much nonsense there, I don't know where to begin.

The most obvious are, what "Ring of Water"?? What's this "Heaven"? What "Windows"? Are they what god relieves himself through?

Less obvious, at least to those who don't know elementary physics, are these references to centrifugal and centripetal forces, as if they were competing with each other,' in some places one is the bigger, and in other places, the other. Or so Van Amburgh thinks.

But then perhaps he learned physics from Russell or Rutherford, lol.

Here, Focus will make this part clear.

As has been known since the time of Isaac Newton, hundreds of years before this pig-ignorant Watchtowerite pontificated on the subject, it has been known that centripetal and centrifugal force are one and the exact same force.

Therefore, it is absurd to consider them competing.

They are merely observed in necessarily different frames of reference. They can never be observed together in the same frame of reference. They are a pair of "pseudo-forces".

Here, I'll explain.

Say you are seated facing forward inside a car, and it is travelling - fast - in a clockwise direction. You feel pushed to the left, i.e., radially outwards. You, and the car, are experiencing centrifugal force. It is observed only in the accelerated (here, rotating) frame of reference, which means observation platform - i.e., the car itself. If you weren't semi-fixed to the car, mainly by friction and by the car's own semi-rigid structure, you wouldn't continue moving with the car.

Now say you are positioned on the ground outside the car. You see the car travelling clockwise. Some force must be preventing it from just continuing in a straight line, as Newton's First Law of Motion dictates it would in the absence of any force. This force is called centripetal force and it is provided by the friction between the tires and the road. It is pushing the car radially inwards, preventing it from continuing in a straight line.

These two forces have exactly the same magnitude, but act in opposite directions. They aren't action and reaction, because they both act on the same body, the car. They just are observable in different frames of reference - centrifugal in the accelerated one, centripetal in the inertial one.

Showing what Van Amburgh wrote for different regions "Centrifugal force stronger" and "Centripetal force stronger - Windows of heaven" was utter carp. Idiocy - total lack of comprehension.

But since his 1924 book was published by the People's Pulpit Association - another one of the Watchtower corporations - it must have been "inspired", right? Which means not only does jehovah-of-the-watchtower know nothing of biology, it clearly is also staggeringly incompetent at physics...

In fact, it seems as ignorant as its pushers, the Cult of Roofers and Car-Wash boys.

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("Forces" Class)

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Are you an "apostate"?

by cedars in

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i'm quite new to this site, and i've noticed that many of you are more than happy to call yourselves "apostates", even though many of you evidently believe in the bible and in jesus as saviour, etc.. i'm aware that the society brands anyone who disagrees with them as being an "apostate", but just because they choose to do this, does this mean we should be comfortable with being so branded?

should we "bend over" and take it?.

here is what the insight book says on apostasy:.

Focus

Long ago, the Sicksiety abandoned any pretence of following Biblical (or even dictionary) definitions for things that didn't quite suit them.

Anyone who opposes the Evil Trash-Publishing, Child-Raping, Murderous Brooklyn Cult of Liars is branded an Apostate...

or any other foul insult they can come up with.

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("Apostate" Class)

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I'm shocked!! I think I found the REAL reason for no voting, for tons of preaching and no public charity!! The IRS and taxes!

by EndofMysteries in

the wt controls every part of it's members lives.

now if they really allowed voting, then obviously since they have the only channel to god, they would be expected to provide guidance as to who is the best candidate and best party, etc.

well, if you look in the irs booklet for tax exempt organizations, including religions and churches over here, go to page 5, "jeopordizing tax exempt status".

Focus

While the OP is right that the WTS has a permanent eye kept on its tax-exempt status, there's many more reasons that that.

1) As long as if the WTS kept reasonably clear of politicking, its status (in the US at least) would be unaffected. There's no connection between this and whether its adherents are apolitical or not in their personal lives - the organization's tax status would be unaffected.

2) The more time and money spent on politicking, the less time there is for kingdumb proclaiming (i.e. vectoring this awful disease to new victims) and the less money there is to be squeezed into the Watchtower's coffers. This is a more important reason.

3) Likewise with charitable giving or work by its duped adherents.

4) There is an additional factor, and its importance should not be underestimated.

Any loony cult (and there's no big one as loony as the WTS) needs some DISTINGUISHING or IDENTIFYING MARKERS making it stand out - preferably ones that are unique to itself. There need be no logical or rational reason for them. Indeed, the more arbitrary and stupid they are, the better - this is because of the EMPEROR WITH NO CLOTHES syndrone:.

"No one else but we are smart enough to see why God prohibited vaccinations, oops transplants, oops blood transfusion, oops whole blood, or to ban birthdays, or any hundred other crazy senseless idiotic rules - perhaps even soon to ensure that pet cats are theocratically-inclined," etc.

Gives the dubdubs a sense of superiority, and many are far too stooopid to realize they too don't understand the reason for the rule themselves..

"... who are always learning and are never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. " - Aramaic Bible in English, 2 Tim 3:7

So - in common with many other cults - politics is almost taboo.

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("Kill the Faithful & Discreet Slave" Class)

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Focus reveals to you... God's Plan. Complete with Pile of "Rubbish" (literally)

by Focus in

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scroll down slowly (spoiler space below) so that the great god's plan is only progressively revealed to you:.

now, i ask you in all honesty - what could be clearer than the above?.

god's plan clearly jumps out of the illustration, doesn't it?.

Focus

Scroll down SLOWLY (spoiler space below) so that the great God's Plan is only progressively revealed to you:

Now, I ask you in all honesty - what could be clearer than the above?

God's Plan clearly jumps out of the illustration, doesn't it?

Right down to the pile of "Rubbish" (chips of ancient builders), fittingly on the right to the lower part of the pyramid, and of course the Ventilators, and the entrance passage carefully aligned with Alpha Draconis.

I mean, what clearer exposition could there be of God's Plan for humanity?

The illustration is from a book written by someone who had become Watchtower founder Charles Taze Russell's closest associates - William E. Van Amburgh . It is on page 157 of "The Way to Paradise," a 1924 publication. Amburgh was so close to Russell that Russell hugely relied on him in the Miracle Wheat cartoon libel lawsuit against the Brooklyn Daily Eagle in 1915, which Russell lost.

Amburgh was the Secretary-Treasurer of the corporate body (a position he held for almost 70 years) and had been appointed in Russell's will to be primus inter pares in the organization. On Russell's death, he formed a trinity with Rutherford, who he then supported to be the overall boss. And so it happened.

Their camaraderie grew when they were jointly imprisoned for their anti-war sentiments.

As a consequence, Rutherford allowed him a lot of leeway, and even freely advertised Amburgh's piece de resistance, "The Way to Paradise", within the Watchtower - something extraordinarily uncommon. It is therefore fair to take its contents as if it were a Watchtower publication, as that is how potential readers and buyers would have viewed it.

The image above is, indeed, consistent with Russell's own views on God's Plan, set out in Volume 1 of his Studies in the Scriptures - the Divine Plan of the Ages.

So, whenever you think - "No, the Watchtower can't be even loonier than that", Brother Phookus will produce something to help you comprehend that these wretches were not only weirder than you thought, they're weirder than anyone possibly could think!

Here's the person who channeled "God's Plan" - the great Watchtowerite, W.E. Van Ambrugh:

And here's the whole Wild Bunch. recently released from jail serving sentences for sedition at a time of war.

To call them idiots would be a calumny. Against "idiots", that is.

Seated 3rd from the left is Van Ambrugh; 4th is Rutherford. Yes, he looks a bit drunk, doesn't he?

And what's that person in the lower right corner hiding under the chair? Do I see the top of a jeroboam or some other container of booze for Da Judge?

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("MAD" Class)

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by hoser in

http://tumblerridgenews.com/?p=11486.

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Focus

Jeannette, the main reason for Kingdom Holes having no windows is that Darkness hides from Light. With no windows, the only light available is the unreliable, sputtering, wildly flickering, even tacking, Noo Light, sonetimes set to epileptic frequencies of ripple to keep dubdubs under the spell.

Also, it prevents people leaping out to escape or commit suicide, as many Talks are likely to induce.

And protects against crowds of mockers peeping in - and laughing.

That they may eat babies in some congregations is besides the point. Right?

No good. self-respecting Elder commits his acts of pedophilia and/or buggery in a K.Hole. If you get my drift. Theocratic arrangements are in place for these acts of mercy to be conducted elsewhere.

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("Decency!" Class)

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This will be a GREAT organization!

by Kensho in

when...... 1) we follow christ example not the gb.

2) stop df'ing those for challenging current or past doctrine and allow us to use our god given gift of reason and free wil.

sure kick out the scumbags even the lions club have rules for membership, but not those who just use their brains and consience.. 3) get rid of the nonsensical blood teaching that has cost the lives of thousands and beg god for forgiveness.

Focus

I sent the Watchturd to Mythbusters, who are good at polishing things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI

However, they said it was far too degraded to be salvaged - even if it was a floater.

Sorry.

What's needed is not Polish but Flush.

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Looking for transcript of the "Miracle Wheat" trial

by Doug Mason in

as the title of this thread says, i am looking for the transcript of the "miracle wheat" trial.. any clues?.

thanks,.

doug.

Focus

I concur, Band on the Run.

I may have more of the excerpts - I will look.

Some links above are broken. And Alleymom is wrong, and Masterji is (as ever) right - the extract is not from Amburgh's book, but from the re-publishers' explanatory note to it - which I imagine Google Books excludes, as it is certainly in copyright.

Here, for everyone's delectation, is the resurrected cartoon that prompted the lawsuit:

The background is that the Union Bank, to which Russell has no connection, had just gone bankrupt. Russell, in the foreground, is shouting out the benefits of his "Miracle Wheat" and with one of little bundles of seeds (not very well packaged, as you can see), which he was trying to sell, suspended from his left hand.

The rest shoulr be pretty obvious - Russell's fraudulent marketing technique re Miracle Wheat, applied to the Bank's fortunes, could have saved it by conning people into buying junk scrip.

For the avoidance of doubt, the cartoonist with initials "N.H." was a Brooklyn Eagle regular (whose name now escapes me) and not our own Norm Hovland, who isn't quite that old. :|

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("I Have It" Class)

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Your thoughts on demons, ghosts and spirits

by Crazyguy in

as a jw were taught all about demons but i never had an incident.

my wife believes wholeheartedly says her family including her has had problems with them.

i have met people that even non religious people that say they have experienced a ghost or a spirit.

Focus

In the world of the conspiracy-theorist as well as of the demon-searcher, everything they notice that's even slightly odd reinforces their incorrect belief.

For them, coincidences and unusual events simply don't happen.

A Chi-Squared test on observation fields associated with so called psychic phenomena show that the probability of peculiar things being observed - but with perfectly natural explanations - is in fact very high. Simply chance accounts for this.

It would be really peculiar if they did NOT happen, actually.

I can't prove there aren't spooks. But the burden of proof doesn't fall upon me.

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