Posts by BEROEAN

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Revelation 11:18 & the Watchtower Society

by Honesty in

revelation 11:18 .

the nations were angry, but your wrath has come.. the time has come for the dead to be judged,.

and to give the reward to your servants the prophets, .

BEROEAN

You guys really crack me up! LOL!

$30,000 is not even one cent per publisher! But, OMG the horror!

Furthermore, the VOLUNTARY contributions made by JW's is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay far less than the REQUIRED 10%Tithing that goes on in your churches! Who's really the saps? And let's not talk about the published tithing sheets and simony that goes on in your churches!

So, flame away and massage your pathetic brains. Just remember to give 10% of your GROSS paycheck on Sunday!

Hey! When is the church going to ask you to take out a second mortgage for that new addition? LOL!

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God dammit!!! I hate this cult!

by bluesbreaker59 in

jw
friends

so my girlfriend and i are getting very serious, and i've bought her engagement ring, should be done being built sometime in may.

then at some point later, i'm going to ask her to marry me.

she was with me and picked out her ring, so she knows its coming.

BEROEAN

Bluebreaker,

Perhaps in YOUR copy of the Bible you could tell us what Paul meant at 1 Corinthians 5:9-13? Also, once this person repented what Paul meant at 2 Corinthians 2:5-11? Interesting that you call the practice of shunning outdated. What did Jehovah do to the ENTIRE nation of Israel when they rejected His Son? Has the Temple been rebuilt? Are they still God's chosen people? Afterall, didn't the religions you name spring up AFTER Jehovah shunned an entire nation? You seem to be confusing love and discipline. But, why should that be surprising coming from someone that fellowships with Satanists. Amazing how YOUR current faith allows YOU to decide what worship is acceptable to God. The ILLUSTRATION of the prodigal son shows the attitde of those involved. Every aspect of repenting from wrongdoing is taken on an individual basis. However, couple the illustration with what Paul said in the above scriptures and Jehovah gives us a pretty clear picture of the process of returning to the congregation. The primary objective is to keep the congregation clean, not breaking every sin on Saturday night and saying a few hail mary's Sunday morning, only to do it all over again the next week.

Hey, manbe we should all just base everything on YOUR definition of true LOVE. Pedophiles love children. Drug addicts love crank. Thieves love other people's stuff. Hitler loved murder. It's all about the love, man.

As far as attending other churches, where do you think I came from. Again, I had no real exposure to Jdub's until I turned 30. Right now you're basking in the glow of something new. But, I grew up in that "sea of fake love". It's all fluff. Once you get past that, start looking for the substance. Unless, you are the type that prefers your ears being tickled.

BTW, Christendom pastors that aren't money hungry? Who pays their salary? Who pays for their house? Who pays for their cars? It's amazing how so many people here chastise members of the Gov. Body for living in apartments and riding in limo's, but compared to what i've seen in Christendom, the members of the Gov. Body live more meager lives than most deacons. One of the prevailing themes of most other religions of Christendom is God requires tithing and God will increase your fortune 10 fold if you consistently give to the church. Just thinking about it makes me want to puke!

Concerning Elders and Ministerial servants that overdrink: trust me, you might overdrink too if you dealt with some of the issues we had to. You'd at least have a cocktail to take the edge off. Recall what Noah went through? How wasted did he get after coming to grips with the fact nearly all of humanity was just exterminated? Just remember, oh mr. rafter in one's eye, how many consistent times of overdrinking does it take before one is considered a drunkard?

Lastly, when it comes to the basic doctrines of Hellfire, Immortality of the Soul, the Trinity doctrine, ect. you are avoiding the question. In all of your studies, you are telling us that you still don't know if these are legitimate doctrines? You mean to tell us your LOVING Jesus has Adam spit roasting on a skewer for these thousands of years? Judas is still smelling burning flesh and hearing the goulish cries of those tortured for eternity? Is it more humble for a church/organization to revise an erroneous belief or should they just keep shoving it down your throat for centuries?

PS - I would take you up on your offer of coming out to Iowa, but what would it really accomplish?

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God dammit!!! I hate this cult!

by bluesbreaker59 in

jw
friends

so my girlfriend and i are getting very serious, and i've bought her engagement ring, should be done being built sometime in may.

then at some point later, i'm going to ask her to marry me.

she was with me and picked out her ring, so she knows its coming.

BEROEAN

Bluebreaker,

Not to sound insulting, but you come off with some real anger issues. I hope whatever troubles you gets resolved soon and you find peace and contentment.

Yes, Jesus taught about love. But, is it a blind love? No. Does Jesus love Satan and his demon horde? Does Jesus love Judas Iscariot? Does Jesus have love for those that he'll destroy during the Great Tribulation? What about his love for the Pharisees of his day? Love for wayward Isrealites; Korah? Dathan? Abihram? Love for Pharoah and his military force?

Again, you ask why am I on this board. Why do most ex-dubs on this board talk about how "witlesses" are led by the nose, can't think for themselves, and have the intellectual capacity of a gnat yet when a witness comes on this board to discuss topics ex-dubs want to run them off? Do ex-dubs prefer their rants go uncontested? I would think there wouldn't be so much gnashing of teeth when one of us shows up.

Unfortunately, your experience isn't uncommon. Constantly, there's reminders for Elders NOT to impose our personal views on others. Yet, as in your case, too many Elders still "suggest" or out right "tell" others what to do. No Elder has the authority to tell someone to take back their mate. 1 Cor. 7:10,11.

As far as your case with the JC, surely, you were smart enough to realize your written letter was the evidence needed to get dissed and the consequences of your impulsive actions. So, now you're living with the consequences of YOUR actions. Since you can use a BIG BOY voice, surely you can accept your BIG BOY actions, right? Be man about it and accept the choices YOU made. Don't expect others to compromise their lifestyle when you chose not to compromise yours for their sake.

Prodigal Son: Luke15:17-21 - The son "came to his senses", repented, and returned to his father with a humble attitude (make him one of the hired servants). Notice the steps taken by the son BEFORE his father tenderly kissed him and prepared a feast for him. What steps would you need to take?

1919: Matt.24:45 - Out of all of the religions "professing to be Christian" which one is the most progressive when it comes to understanding Bible doctrine? Hellfire? Immortality of the Soul? Trinity? Neutrality? Rapture? Earthly paradise? Jehovah being Supreme? Is the WTBTS perfect? Far from it. But, how does it's basic teachings stack up with your Pastors and other religions professing to follow Christ? You said it aptly, "all religions have flaws", but some more glaring flaws than others.

Russell: Studied it all. Sex with secretaries, scorned wife, cooky writings, white robes standing on the Brookly Bridge in 1914, ect. Just as you mentioned, I don't follow any man, I base my beliefs on what the Bible says.

Your Pastor/Father in-law doesn't drink or swear? Is that all it takes for you to trust someone?

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God dammit!!! I hate this cult!

by bluesbreaker59 in

jw
friends

so my girlfriend and i are getting very serious, and i've bought her engagement ring, should be done being built sometime in may.

then at some point later, i'm going to ask her to marry me.

she was with me and picked out her ring, so she knows its coming.

BEROEAN

BluesBreaker,

Wow! Why the hostility bro?

I never implied that you were any of those things. I merely asked why did YOU get disfellowshipped. You said it yourself, the Elders sat quiet while you slammed your fist on the table and used your GROWN UP voice while pointing your finger at them. Sounds kind of vile for someone that just wanted to fade away. For being so smart, you really had no clue on how to fade away.

I will tell everyone on this board the best way to fade away is to just stop going to meetings and never meet with the BOE. Contrary to Forum beliefs, Edlers are not roaming around seeking to DF someone. Do you really think we want to play phone tag, set up judicial meetings on non-meeting nights, sit in a room for hours, type up letters, and lose a servant of Jehovah? Let me say it yet again, Elders do not disfellowship publishers, publishers disfellowship themselves. I will guarantee you Blue, if instead of displaying your GROWN UP aggressive attitude, you basically told them your ex-wife, who cheated on you, hurt you and like most men you have a desire for female companionship and the opportunity presented itself, the Elders on the committee would have probably given you private restrictions and left it at that. Which, in turn, you could have faded and still have access to your family. There's so many "victims" who want vengeance because of what someone else did to them and the most obvious people to blame are the Elders. Many times the "victims" feel the Elders should have executed vengeance on their behalf and when it doesn't happen the "victims" let the Elders have it. There's a similar case in which the husband has been accused of adultery by his wife. However, while she was at work, he packed up all of his things, moved away, and left no forwarding address. Should the Elders just take the word of one witness? What if she was the wrongdoer and the best way for him to cope with it is by simply leaving? Several failed attempts contacting the brother. Relatives don't want to get involved. The wife grows increasingly angry. But, somehow, this will all end up being the BOE fault.

I'm sorry to hear about your personal experience as a child. But, can you really say your father was more a negative influence in your life than a positive one? I understand how older generations were and the "strict" adherence to "procedure" was the law of the land. But, that seems to be more the case with 2nd and 3rd generation dubs. That attitude is very rare with those not raised in the truth. If any readers on this board ever want to talk to an Elder seek out one that grew up in the world before he was exposed to the truth. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at the difference.

Finally, I think the previous paragraph answers your question of why i'm on this board. I'm not lonely, quite successful, wife that's a hot piece of arse, and always testing and proving. You accuse me of picking on people to make myself feel better. Not in the slightest. I get no pleasure in smearing others. However, isn't that what the majority of ex-dubs on this board do? How many times are the thoughts all dubs are robots, all dubs are stoopid, all dubs aren't successful, all dubs have boring sex, all dubs beat their wives, dubs dubs dubs dubs blah blah blah crap? It's funny how those growing up in the truth find comfort in Christendom. The same Christendom some of us became deeply disturbed at because of the glaring hypocrisy and false teachings. Perhaps in both cases the grass is always greener........

Maybe it's Leafism.

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God dammit!!! I hate this cult!

by bluesbreaker59 in

jw
friends

so my girlfriend and i are getting very serious, and i've bought her engagement ring, should be done being built sometime in may.

then at some point later, i'm going to ask her to marry me.

she was with me and picked out her ring, so she knows its coming.

BEROEAN

So BluesBreaker,

Why did you get disfellowshipped? Afterall, did YOU decide to get baptized? Did YOU know the consequences of UNREPENTANT WRONGDOING? Did YOU do it anyway, sit in on YOUR judicial hearing, and show an UNREPENTANT ATTITUDE? Did YOU turn your back on your dad, Jehovah, and other family members? But, NOW you want them to attend YOUR wedding day? Did your caring and loving father that raised you since you were 5 years old after your mom abandoned you try to help you spiritually? Did you IGNORE his pleas?

So, in a nutshell, you selfishly went on with YOUR life with little or no regard for others that cared for YOU and NOW you want them to join in YOUR wedding celebration? Pure hubris.

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Memorial conundrum - "So good to see you. Where have you been?"

by Meeting Junkie No More in

ok, gearing up for the memorial - our annual have to attend.

this is the first year that we will be showing up without having been to meetings in months.

on the last meeting i was cajoled into attending, i was bombarded with the above question.

BEROEAN

Most of the people on this board do nothing but judge! You judge the Org., your witness relatives, and any former companions still in the truth! It amazes me how so many of you are soooooo fed up with JW's, but you come on a site like this and spend day after day talking about the very ones you despise! With so many other ways to use your "free" time, why is negative talk about JW's your choice? Try spending time conquering the tendency to stress the negative or unfavorable.

Hmmmm...let me see.....growing up my mom and dad loved American cars. They indoctrinated us with the whole shpeel of Union plants, American cars, and Steel mills. But, even at a young age I could clearly see the folly of their reasoning. American cars were outdated, inefficient, unsafe, and expensive. When I was old enough I bought a Toyota. Now, did I seek out every opportunity to lambast my parents because of their faulty thinking or scorn every person I encountered driving an American car? No. Do I frequent GM/Ford/Chrysler discussion forums to talk about the damage the "Big 3" has done to entire generations and how major cities have never recovered from their lies? No. I live my life with nary a passing thought of American made cars.

I seems some of your very lives are dependent on anything negative with JW's. You print newsletters, write songs and poetry, post YouTube videos, and even go so far as to attend Kingdom Halls to "shock" unsuspecting "droids". Do yourselves a favor and get on with your lives. Use that "freedom" to live it up, make millions, see the world, cure cancer! Geezuz!

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Memorial conundrum - "So good to see you. Where have you been?"

by Meeting Junkie No More in

ok, gearing up for the memorial - our annual have to attend.

this is the first year that we will be showing up without having been to meetings in months.

on the last meeting i was cajoled into attending, i was bombarded with the above question.

BEROEAN

Wow! You guys are really paranoid! When we see you hapless sacks of manure atending the Memorial we gaze in amazement at how beaten up you morons look! Gee.....Jessica used to look so beautiful and elegant when she attended meetings, but since she was dissed and moved in with her worldly boyfriend, she looks tore up from the floor up! Dirty pants from WalMart, nose and ear piercings that were done in her boyfriends autobody shop, illegitimate kids with snotty noses, missing shoe laces, and lice filled hair, and the stench!!!! OMG!!! You want to know what LOVE IS? It's walking up to you dopes and speaking a kind word!!!! Lord only knows, any other group of people would either laugh in your pathetic faces or run in the opposite direction for fear of being seen with you nare-do-wells!

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The day after Armageddon

by TooBad TooSad in

at last the long hoped for great tribulation has taken place and the faithful jw's huddle together at the.

local kingdom hall.

the po starts off speaking.

BEROEAN

I have a problem with #2. Jehovah will NOT make all survivors perfect the day after Armageddon. So definitely they will have to come up with some ways to find sources of energy.

Well, I never said we'd be perfect the day after Armageddon. Frankly, most of us would be doing the Steve Martin "Happy" dance for the first 100 years. Afterall, we have FOREVER to do the other things.

Seriously, it really won't be that hard to live in a post-armageddon world. Robert Neville did it.

Check out the familiar building in the background.

http://iamlegend.warnerbros.com/media/images/downloads/wallpapers/IAL-Wallpaper15_1600.jpg

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The day after Armageddon

by TooBad TooSad in

at last the long hoped for great tribulation has taken place and the faithful jw's huddle together at the.

local kingdom hall.

the po starts off speaking.

BEROEAN

He also said that the bodies will be from one end of the earth to the other, and that we have to bury them all. (I thought they were bird food (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dontknow.gif) ) he stated that the scriptures say that Gods people will bury the wicked, (he didn't state the scripture).

Must be some pre-75 material. I've been around since the late 80's and i've never heard anything like that. Or, it was some isolated neophyte getting carried away. A basic study of the Bible would show that Jehovah's servants never had to clean up the bodies struck down from His divine judgment. Noah, Lot, 185,000 Assyrians, 607 BCE., 70 CE., ......Great Tribulation. One things for sure, we'll have some pretty nice looking grass from all of the fertilizer.

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Armagedon survivor =If you miss meetings?? Did you have a choice??

by Witness 007 in

awake april 2008 p.20 "what does god expect of you?

" "......the bible does not prescribe a set number of hours that we must reserve for worship each week.......does god expect us to live fanatically {is the answer yes!

} excluding all activeties from our live except worship?

BEROEAN

you most certainly won't be saved!!!! The kingdom (I automatically started typing kingdumb) halls are where you will be kept safe when the great day of Armegeddon is unleashed, and if you are not there you will DIE.....

Not true at all. JW's don't need to flock to some geographic location to survive Armageddon. Jehovah is not unrighteous so as to forget our works if we are not at a meeting when Armageddon occurs. Furthermore, most Kindom Halls do not have the facilities to house 300 people. Why would Jehovah seclude his people in such unsanitary conditions?