Joshua Cadison's Beautiful
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRKqxSZeq4s
(Cant find it online but a really great song is Dan Hills Wrapped around My Finger)
chrisjoel
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Has a song "GRABBED" at you pulling your soul in?
by FreedomFrog init doesn't happen to me much but when it does i can't get enough.... i was driving home from a friends house trying to figure out how to work out my finances/home/college/kids and then the song "eye of the tiger" came on.. i've heard this song many times.
this was one of my fave's growing up but it didn't catch my soul like it did tonight.
i was in awe to the point of needing to hear it 6 times already.
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Has a song "GRABBED" at you pulling your soul in?
by FreedomFrog init doesn't happen to me much but when it does i can't get enough.... i was driving home from a friends house trying to figure out how to work out my finances/home/college/kids and then the song "eye of the tiger" came on.. i've heard this song many times.
this was one of my fave's growing up but it didn't catch my soul like it did tonight.
i was in awe to the point of needing to hear it 6 times already.
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chrisjoel
Grabbed, yeah these reached far out and tugged on my shirt and almost ripped off a button
http://youtube.com/watch?v=O0IpDEB8TpM (Howie Days End of Days...also featured in the The Bridge documentary)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kb5KXozi_HM (original version of Hard Sun by Gorden Peterson)
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Total # of ppl killed by God is about 2,270,365
by chrisjoel inif we made a chart, it would look like this (steve wells skeptics annotated bible check him out: www.skepticsannotatedbible.com):.
number killed.
cumulative total.
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The Bible is pretty consistent though isnt it? THere is a consistent amount of killing throught the Hebrew Scriptures. THen all of a sudden that consistency is out the window. WHY? WHy does Jesus arrival on earth mark the end of Gods kill at any whim any moment? Theres a few kills in the Greek Scriptures with some warnings about how the end will BE death and destruction ... but no death tolls. THAT is not consistent. Something is messed up here. God kills and then GOd stops killing. Its as if HE found a reason to stop killing whenever he feels like it. So instead of actual death tolls we have threats of death. THreatening us with death if we dont accept. So the deaths are replaced with death threats. ...sigh.
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Total # of ppl killed by God is about 2,270,365
by chrisjoel inif we made a chart, it would look like this (steve wells skeptics annotated bible check him out: www.skepticsannotatedbible.com):.
number killed.
cumulative total.
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chrisjoel
chrisjoel
The number you quote denies the glory of God. Since God is the giver of life, He is justified in taking that life. There is not one death in all of history, that God is not responsible for.Isaiah 29:16 (New International Version)
16 You turn things upside down,
as if the potter were thought to be like the clay!
Shall what is formed say to him who formed it,
"He did not make me"?
Can the pot say of the potter,
"He knows nothing"?
Isaiah 41:25 (New International Version)
25 "I have stirred up one from the north, and he comes—
one from the rising sun who calls on my name.
He treads on rulers as if they were mortar,
as if he were a potter treading the clay
Isaiah 45:9 (New International Version)
9 "Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker,
to him who is but a potsherd among the potsherds on the ground.
Does the clay say to the potter,
'What are you making?'
Does your work say,
'He has no hands'....do you question me about my children,
or give me orders about the work of my hands?
YOU DONT FUCK with Jehovah. Anyone that ever fucked with Jehovah died or is on death row. You want to question him, then prepare to die. You need answers , shut up or die. You want compassion ..shut up and like it. You want love, well GOd so loved the world he gave his Son so shut up and like it. YOu dont like it, then you have made your decision and are rebellious against Jehovah and deserve death.
ANY Questions?As Jehovahs witnesses we came to know the truth and we believed it was the truth. But then we started to question things. Why? ITs human nature to question. If we say as JWs we didnt need to question anything then we deny ourselves our natural use of our minds. TO believe Jehovah wanted us to Not question anything is as ridiculous to me as believing he exists in the first place. Reading the Bible from front to back one gets the impression it is a mix of events that happened long ago intermingled with superstition and myth and with the passage of time ...well we see the end result. I ask YOU what is the GLORY of GOD. What does it mean Can you define it. Show it to me. Explain it in terms I can appreciate with my mind?
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Total # of ppl killed by God is about 2,270,365
by chrisjoel inif we made a chart, it would look like this (steve wells skeptics annotated bible check him out: www.skepticsannotatedbible.com):.
number killed.
cumulative total.
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If we made a chart, it would look like this (Steve Wells Skeptics Annotated Bible Check him out: www.skepticsannotatedbible.com):
Number Killed
Cumulative Total
Lot's wife for looking back
Gen.19:26, BT
1
1
Er who was "wicked in the sight of the Lord"
Gen.38:7, BT
1
2
Onan for spilling his seed
Gen.38:10, BT
1
3
For dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf
Ex.32:27-28, 35, BT
3000
3003
Aaron's sons for offering strange fire before the Lord
Lev.10:1-3, Num.3:4, 26:61, BT
2
3005
A blasphemer
Lev.24:10-23, BT
1
3006
A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath
Num.15:32-36, BT
1
3007
Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families)
Num.16:27, BT
12+
3019+
Burned to death for offering incense
Num.16:35, 26:10, BT
250
3269+
For complaining
Num.16:49, BT
14,700
17,969+
For "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab"
Num.25:9, BT
24,000
41,969+
Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive as part of God's war plunder)
Num.31:1-35, BT
90,000+
131,969+
God tells Joshua to stoned to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing.
Joshua 7:10-12, 24-26, BT
5+
131,974+
God tells Joshua to attack Ai and do what he did to Jericho (kill everyone).
Joshua 8:1-25, BT
12,000
143,974+
God delivered Canaanites and Perizzites
Judges 1:4, BT
10,000
153,974+
Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife into the king's belly
Jg.3:15-22, BT
1
153,975+
God delivered Moabites
Jg.3:28-29, BT
10,000
163,975+
God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other.
Jg.7:2-22, 8:10, BT
120,000
283,975+
The Spirit of the Lord comes on Samson
Jg.14:19, BT
30
284,005+
The Spirit of the Lord comes mightily on Samson
Jg.15:14-15, BT
1000
285,005+
Samson's God-assisted act of terrorism
Jg.16:27-30, BT
3000
288,005+
"The Lord smote Benjamin"
Jg.20:35-37, BT
25,100
313,105+
More Benjamites
Jg.20:44-46
25,000
338,105+
For looking into the ark of the Lord
1 Sam.6:19
50,070
388,175+
God delivered Philistines
1 Sam.14:12
20
388,195+
Samuel (at God's command) hacks Agag to death
1 Sam.15:32-33
1
388,196+
"The Lord smote Nabal."
1 Sam.25:38
1
388,197+
Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling
2 Sam.6:6-7, 1 Chr.13:9-10
1
388,198+
David and Bathsheba's baby boy
2 Sam.12:14-18
1
388,199+
Seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord
2 Sam.21:6-9
7
388,206+
From plague as punishment for David's census (men only; probably 200,000 if including women and children)
2 Sam.24:13, 1 Chr.21:7
70,000+
458,206+
A prophet for believing another prophet's lie
1 Kg.13:1-24
1
458,207+
God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites' hands
1 Kg.20:28-29
100,000
558,207+
God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers
1 Kg.20:30
27,000
585,207+
God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet
1 Kg.20:35-36
1
585,208+
Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god.
2 Kg.1:2-4, 17, 2 Chr.22:7-9
1
585,209+
Burned to death by God
2 Kg.1:9-12
102
585,311+
God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha's bald head
2 Kg.2:23-24
42
585,343+
Trampled to death for disbelieving Elijah
2 Kg.7:17-20
1
585,344+
Jezebel
2 Kg.9:33-37
1
585,355+
God sent lions to kill "some" foreigners
2 Kg.17:25-26
3+
585,358+
Sleeping Assyrian soldiers
2 Kg.19:35, 2 Chr.32:21, Is.37:36
185,000
770,358+
Saul
1 Chr.10:14
1
770,359+
God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah
2 Chr.13:15-17
500,000
1,270,359+
Jeroboam
2 Chr.13:20
1
1,270,360+
"The Lord smote the Ethiopians."
2 Chr.14:9-14
1,000,000
2,270,360+
God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out
2 Chr.21:14-19
1
2,270,361+
Ezekiel's wife
Ezek.24:15-18
1
2,270,362+
Ananias and Sapphira
Acts 5:1-10
2
2,270,364+
Herod
Acts 12:23, BT
1
2,270,365+A drop in the bucket compared to how many will die anyday now at Armageddon.
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God mauls little children with bears. (2 Kings 2:23,24)
by easyreader1970 in23. and he proceeded to go up from there to beth el.
as he was going up on the way, there were small boys that came out from the city and began to jeer him and that kept saying to him: "go up, you baldhead!
go up, you baldhead!
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chrisjoel
Let us reason together SHALL WE?.....Does anything esle need to be said? When reading this account what do YOU come away with? What is the moral of this account? YHWH does almost the same thing here that he does in Kings 2 23. What is the value of this account?
2 Kings 17:24-27 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Samaria Resettled
24 The king of Assyria brought people from Babylon, Cuthah, Avva, Hamath and Sepharvaim and settled them in the towns of Samaria to replace the Israelites. They took over Samaria and lived in its towns. 25 When they first lived there, they did not worship the LORD; so he sent lions among them and they killed some of the people. 26 It was reported to the king of Assyria: "The people you deported and resettled in the towns of Samaria do not know what the god of that country requires. He has sent lions among them, which are killing them off, because the people do not know what he requires."
27 Then the king of Assyria gave this order: "Have one of the priests you took captive from Samaria go back to live there and teach the people what the god of the land requires." -
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God mauls little children with bears. (2 Kings 2:23,24)
by easyreader1970 in23. and he proceeded to go up from there to beth el.
as he was going up on the way, there were small boys that came out from the city and began to jeer him and that kept saying to him: "go up, you baldhead!
go up, you baldhead!
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Hey Belbab, appreciate your comment..
..Id like to share with you my thought process of reading this when I was a JW. Its intresting because all the injustices, all the wars, the killing, death and destruction is committed by former children. So little buggers become big buggers. Little gnats become big gnats. Little bastards grow up to be opposers of Jehovah. At the same time however, the Bible says..."children are a gift from Jehovah"....so as a JW my mind would reason, back then they had what they had to deal with persecution, tests of obedience, and in this case a warning example of disobedient. disloyal, apostate children with the spirit of Satan that mocked GOds representative and were dealt with. So also today I would reason these are the last days and amazingly tie that into "children are a gift from Jehovah" because our children WOULD NEVER behave in such a way. NO our children are loving, kind, and are brought up properly so they will not get ripped apart at armageddon. No bear will touch my child. No harm will come to my child because I worship the Only true God.
But I ask how exactly ARE children a GIFT? First we have to believe that God is creator and STRICTLY SPEAKING this cannot be proved one way or another. It is believed on faith. So STICTLY SPEAKING childbearing is a natural biological function that happens countless times a day on our planet. It happens all day long. In the oceans, in the forests and in our hospitals...It is not STRICTLY SPEAKING a miracle. It is a natural biological function of women. Of course they give us great joy. But now having been handed the "great joy" from your wonderful wife to raise together it is a responsiblity to rear. It makes sense in the story of these taunters of Gods prophet . that. IF children were Really a Gift from the Creator the Creator would have brought them to their parents, Instead, these so called "gifts" were killed. No opportunity given to these young "gifts" to learn. If the parents were the same why doesnt the account tellus that Jehovah punished the parents of the "GIFTS" for not teaching them correctly...If God wants us to believe in HIM doesnt he have to set the example first?
What we end up with in the Bible are warning examples that breed fear.
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what movies do you recomend
by heathen ini'm always interested in seeing a good movie , anything out there that really rocked your world , please share.....
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chrisjoel
Chrisjoel- you are the only person I've ever read that liked , lost highway
Hey Heathen..thanks man. Actually I got hooked on David Lynch ever since I saw Twin Peaks while I was a JW. I can still remember we had some newly convertered JWs over and I was yaking to them about how awesome Twin Peaks was ..so heres turning on the show and I see the "bad" guy in the show throw a girl through a mirror , blood everywhere, ...I looked at them they looked at me, then I turned the tv off never to dicuss my tv show preferences again. So hell YA i love David Lynch.....here some other stuff that will knock YOUR socks off!
Funny Games-1999( YOU are involved as a viewer in this movie about violence)
Funny Games-2008 same Director redoes original with Naomi Watts
Chopper- Australian movie about prison guy
Pusher1, Pusher2, Pusher3, -hands down the best "drug" movie ever period.
H6 Diary of A serial Killer.
Dont torture a Duckling-
Ebola Syndrome-1996
Amorres Perros- Just awesome!
Jeepers Creepers 2- Nice and scary
David Lynchs Blue Velvet
Halloween H20, Predator-"hey your bleeding, I aint got time to bleed.."
Aguirre, the Wrath of God -1972 Werner Herzog..simply stunning atmosphere..
THE MAN FROM EARTH- MUST SEE MOVIE PERIOD.No violence, no blood, ...and yet this movie is the best dRAMMA ...or....sci fi i prolly ever seen..recommend for all ex JWS
Dirty Work (1998) fUNNY AS HELL... -
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God mauls little children with bears. (2 Kings 2:23,24)
by easyreader1970 in23. and he proceeded to go up from there to beth el.
as he was going up on the way, there were small boys that came out from the city and began to jeer him and that kept saying to him: "go up, you baldhead!
go up, you baldhead!
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Galileo
Now I know what the householder meant when he opened the door and asked me ..."So whats the latest score...who's winning?"
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God mauls little children with bears. (2 Kings 2:23,24)
by easyreader1970 in23. and he proceeded to go up from there to beth el.
as he was going up on the way, there were small boys that came out from the city and began to jeer him and that kept saying to him: "go up, you baldhead!
go up, you baldhead!
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Under the Law if a parent couldn't control their children and the parents brought them before the priests and said: "I can't control my child" then the congregation stoned them to death. (Don't laugh!!! This is not funny!) So much for a career as a Jewish juvenile delinquent. So maybe God saw these were clearly bad apples who would only get worse so he put them out of their misery only on.
So a very believable story is the place where this occurred was a narrow area of the road that was flanked by high ridges on both sides. Now if the Bible said just ONE bear came and killed them all, then you'd say, "Okay, why didn't they run out the other end!!" But with two, you see, they could corner them from either end.Dont you see JC, that its just so convienent that all YOUR details are left out of the account. So much is left out of so many Biblical accounts from Genesis to Revelation. Another reason the account Reads like a "story" is precisely because of the implication of it. This attitude .... toward Gods prophet ....brings this result(death and destruction) instead of reasong we have killing. Instead of "learning curves" we have killing. Also, instead of YHWH making His word more understandable we have ambiguity. It becomes far too easy to dismiss such stories as fable than too take them seriously. In the end we have to question how HE managed to give such meticulous laws to the Israelites that they were stoned to death for disobedience, but then. was unable to provide us with a Bible NOT open to interpretation and ambiguity, so much so that we end up questioning it. What I am left with is for JC to come along and fill in the blanks for me. Thands JC but you didnt write the Bible did you?