Posts by lrkr

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So many newbies lately. What drove you to finally post?

by OnTheWayOut in

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there are so many newbies in the last month or so.

it's like spring cleaning.

at the old wts, time to push out the doubters and apostates.

lrkr

I have been watching (I like that much better than lurking- sounds less sinister) for about a year now. Some of the moving and eye-opening things about this board for me are/were:

Information about the history and doctrine of JWs
Personal stories of hatred, anger, frustration, depression from former and present JWs (some of the feelings I could identify with, but in less poignent form)
Knowing that there were elders out there who were as frustrated and confused as I was

I finally decided to post because I came to a point where I knew that I was no longer going to be an elder. I felt that even if the borg monitors this site and could track me down (a real fear), I was not an elder anymore, and more importantly, I didn't want to be. About 6 months ago I started having a real problem saying some of the things from the stage that I was expected to say. That feeling progressed until I felt uncomfortable even commenting on much of the material that I was expected to comment on.

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 5-6-07 WT Review (Resist Demons)

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 05-06-07 wt study (march 15, 007, pages 26-30)(resist demons).

review comments will be in red.

wt material from today's wt will be in black.

lrkr

First, I have to say that when you read the scripture in Ephesians about the suit of armor from a modern english bible (other than NWT) it makes a lot more sense.

The belt of truth- A very interesting scripture. The start of resisting demons is a belt of truth. No need to add stuff about reading publications, etc. Because if you know the facts, the truth, you are well on your way.

Shoes of the "gospel of peace" Why the gospel of peace? Maybe because Jewish zealots in the first century were teaching the gospel of armed revolt against the Romans. The christian gospel of peace is simple- love your neighbor, peaceful resistance, etc. It is difficult to describe the front covers of the WT and AW and the lead presentations as a "gospel of peace"

Finally, I couldn't help but notice that the whole article started out talking about powerful superhuman creatures bent on causing death and destruction and finished up talking about apostates- people who believe differently than the borg. Yeeesh!

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Would you do it for the sake of the kids?

by pratt1 in

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i have a very close friend, who is still an active dub.

we have known each other since we were kids and we have been able to maintain a strong friendship - we are actually more like brothers than friends.. we have reached a truce - i don't try to talk him out of being a dub and he doesn't try to talk me out of being an apostate.. we have both worked hard to honor this rule.. my problem is, i am the "godfather" of his son.

meaning if something should happen to him and his wife, i would raise his son.. i have a very close relationship with the boy, he is 7 and smart as a whip.

lrkr

I say that if you allow a difference in belief systems to prevent you from celebrating the personal accomplishment of a close friend you let the "borg" win. Standing in front of 100 people to give a 5 minute reading is an accomplishment when your 30, even more so when you're 7. So celebrate with him.

I've had enough of letting ideas about the meaning of things affect reality- my relationships with others.

Just my two cents.....

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Plucking rafters from thine eye...

by Crumpet in

okay anyone got a cure for styes - i'm not sure it is a stye - just my eye is twitching and its really annoying.

anyway i can stop it short of pegging my eyelid?

i am not going to america with a twitch - you'll think all us english folks have that problem.. .

lrkr

Soak your eye in tea.

Prepare hot tea. Let it cool. Take a sponge or paper towel and lie down with the sponge/towel on the eye.

(No idea- this is a crazy wives tale- but like chicken soup caint hoit)

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What did you think of "new light"?

by reneeisorym in

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you kind of get to a point where you know all the answers when you are a jw.

you don't really have to research much more because its the same stuff they present over and over again.

"jehovah's reminders" but i kind of looked forward to new light.

lrkr

Seems like theres not so much new light any more. Most of the new light articles today read like legal briefs- "some feel, but you could think, many christian consciences allow..." The "creative thinkers" have all either died or are too scared to propose a new idea because of the apostasy witchhunt. All thats left are obedient automotons who regurgitate the same ideas over and over and over again. Today's new light is usually just new justification for old ideas.

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Disfellowshipping question

by emilyblue in

my ex-boyfriend who i am trying not to see anymore was disfellowshipped last monday, but he sent in a letter of appeal because he felt two the the three elders who made the decision were biased against him because they knew his ex-wife and were automatically sympathetic to the woman's side.

he's disfellowshipped for having relations with me, even after he was divorced (before that, his divorce was unscriptural.

) how soon does the appeal take place?

lrkr

At the appeal committe the only real question is- "Was there a gross miscarriage of 'justice'?" In other words- was he really repentant at the time and the elders just didn't figure that out. It is a very steep hill to climb. The assumption is against him from the beginning.

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-29-07 WT Study (ANGELS)

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 04-29-07 wt study (march 15, 2007, pages 21-25)(angels).

review comments will be in red.

wt material from today's wt will be in black.

lrkr

Today at the meeting a 7 year old girl commented in response to the question, What will the angels do in the future? "Kill thousands of people" wow- if that doesn't open your eyes....

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I'm going to be disfellowshipped on Wednesday

by Thinking of Leaving in

the elders cames to my home on saturday and i didn't answer the door, so they told my sister to relay the message.

the message was "you know what it's about, we're going to make the announcement next meeting".

i knew it was coming...but it feels so weird.

lrkr

I don't know the exact feeling- but if its the same as the knot I've had in my stomach recently over my issues with the borg- let me assure you- the anticipation and "pre-stress" is nothing compared to the feeling of freedom and relaxation after its over.

All the best!

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1933 Letter from JW's to Hitler and Nazi Party

by kwr in

i was watching one of the extras on the knocking dvd and a woman commentator talked about a scandalous letter from the jw's to hitler and the nazi party in 1933. does anyone know where i can read this letter at?.

tia.

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lrkr

I have a feeling they already know about this. When the DC Holocaust Museum opened there was a learning center with little blurbs about various aspects of the holocaust. The blurb about JWs said that they were an anti-semetic movement that was persecuted for failure to say Heil Hitler. Everyone at Bethel was "outraged" and someone (from Legal, Public Affairs...I dont know) paid them a visit and straightened things out.

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Things kids say that moves your heart.

by Undecided in

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i was at my daughters house and there were several kids playing and a couple of them were picking on this little girl.

i told her that, "sticks and stones can break your bones but words can never hurt you.".

she looked at me with such a hurt look and said,"they can break your heart though.".

lrkr

My son saw the picture in the "bible story" book of children on a little rock crag in Noah's flood and asked "What did those children do that they were killed in the flood?"

Made me question everything.