Posts by Farkel

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"Murder Letter" -- Further discussion

by Yadirf in

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this is a post i made that is burried inside another thread.

i thought i would make a new topic out of it in case someone wanted to add their thoughts to the subject.

this is how my post to farkel went:.

Farkel

: What if this "murderer", at the time he committed such deeds, had been part of a "gang" that was involved in "gang warfare" ... whereby he participated in the disrespect shown for life. Now he thinks of himself as having committed "murder" because of his participation and support for his "gang", even though it was "kill or be killed".

According to the letter the guy didn't confess to self-defense, Yadirf.

Besides, that's not the point at all, and as usual you are wont to avoid it. The society didn't make any comments about whether "kill-or-be-killed" was more mitigating than cold-blooded murder and that in a killing "kill-or-be-killed" or even a killing in self-defense justified the elders protecting him. They flat-out said to hide the truth about what he did.

Since they didn't stipulate anything about the circumstances of how the murder/killing happened one can hardly argue what you are arguing.

Forcus on the FACTS: the society said to harbor the guy and not tell anyone about what he did: the congregation, the police, ANYONE. Period.

Surely even you can see that is unconscionable.

Farkel

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What is a Gargoyl?

by nojw86 in

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after reading zazu pitts post and that old bossart hotel which was bought by the jw.

still had the gargolys on its roof top amazed me, since i thougt that gargoyls were domonic stautes.

can anyone help me withsome input onthis one?

Farkel

: Apostate lunatics of course would have you imagine that there is something sinister about those emblems remaining, but the fact is, that to remove them could be construed as an act of superstition.

Witness lunatics of course would have you imagine that there is something sinister about those items you bought at a garage sale remaining, but the fact is, that to remove them could be construed as an act of superstition.

Idiot.

Farkel

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Sat. Dist. Conv.--Cracking the whip!

by LostMyReligion in

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i have put in my final day at this year's test of posterior endurance---saturday at the district convention, 2001. i took quite a few notes today, because some had specifically asked about saturday's program.

i hope all will be suitably edified by them.

do not just listen to bits and pieces of the program, but to the whole thing.

Farkel

: I have some matierial that states that JFRutherford never received a degree in law. He was a court clerk, and learned enough in the late 1800s to be able to sit through a 5 hour oral exam with other Bar attorneys. That is how he got his license to practice.

I know that ten or so years ago at least, one could still become an attorney by clerking for a number of years and taking the bar. It did require a college degree, though. The only limitation was that one could not claim to be a "Jd" (Doctor of Jurisprudence) as regular attorney can. I'm not sure if that is still allowed.

Farkel

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Sat. Dist. Conv.--Cracking the whip!

by LostMyReligion in

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i have put in my final day at this year's test of posterior endurance---saturday at the district convention, 2001. i took quite a few notes today, because some had specifically asked about saturday's program.

i hope all will be suitably edified by them.

do not just listen to bits and pieces of the program, but to the whole thing.

Farkel

Great stuff!

Reagarding my earlier comments about the dearth of experiences we have these priceless gems:

: Now we do not know the names of those 2 sisters, but we do know the name of the lawyer---J. F. Rutherford!

When out of current experiences, share on that is over one hundred years old!

: He talked to them and left a 'Paradise" book ( you know, the scary one) Years later at an assembly a man came up to him. It was one of the children, and now he was a CO, and his brother is a special pioneer!

Or how about one that is forty years old?

: In 85' a family scaled down from home & 2 cars to townhouse & 1 car.

But just to keep things in perspective, how about one that is
sixteen years old?

(Doncha have any new experiences, WT? Can't you GET A CLUE that your stupid cult is falling apart?)

: Mt 11:28---I will refresh, my load is light. Refreshment is equated with taking his yoke. A yoke is a harness to enable one to do work or carry a heavy burden. Do not run away, but accept and take it on.

This is the kind of shit that sickens me to no end: incessant scripture twisting to suit their agenda.

1) Jesus said to take HIS yoke: his load is LIGHT
2) Watchtower said yokes implying ALL YOKES are for carrying HEAVY burdens.
3) Therefore Jesus was telling you to work your ass off for the Watchtower Book-Selling Corporation.

That logic makes perfect sense only to those steeped in Orwellian double-think.

: To prevent sluggishness abvoid eating a heavy meal before meetings or times of instruction.

Did it ever dawn on those bozos that the sluggishness is because of the mind-numbing, mesmerizing horseshit they dish out at meetings?

: Well, does your posterior feel a little numb. Stand up and sing a song while we tell you about the new donation based parking arrangement.

Translation: we got busted with our lying to the stadium administrators scam.

Farkel

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DISTRICT CONVENTION PUKE!

by biblexaminer in

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the district convention is 2/3 done.

would have been better to have stayed home and pulled out my fingernails.

they spouted the usual crap, using the inter-organizational social pressures to push the r&f to do more, do more, do more.. they warned about pornography.

Farkel

It's obvious Jaracz is still firmly in charge and keeping the hard-line.

: About 300 were baptized.

Indeed? That goes to show that the WT recuiting policy is and was based upon P.T. Barnum's notable observation: "There's a sucker born every minute."

How big was the assembly attendance-wise, btw?

Farkel

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McVeigh vs Death Penalty

by Amazing in

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i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.

i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.

and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.

Farkel

Greetings ros,

It's good to see you posting on this board.

: If the death penalty were voted out, only those who voted against it would be taxed for the construction, housing, employment of guards, cooks, utilities, medical expenses, etc. etc. to keep them

In the USA it costs over one million dollars on average to execute someone. That includes court-appointed attorneys for the defendent through the whole series of appeals, the death apparatus and administration, autopsy and a whole bunch of other costs.

You will not find one knowledgeable person that will tell you it currently costs less to execute a twenty year old murderer than it doesn to put him in prison for the rest of his life. It costs between five and ten times AS much to go through the execution process.

Farkel

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FARKEL - Please Read

by Amazing in

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hi farkel: in my justice #6 i mention the topic of masturbation and how you posted on h20 a commentary based on the 1973 watchtower questions from readers about the topic.

it was one of the most humorous and truthful expose' of the iron tower's stupidity i have read.

i think it would be an excellent post for this forum.

Farkel

Rehi Amazing,

I didn't save it. I don't save most of my stuff. This is going to play hell with that book I've been asked to write, too. I guess I'll just have to make up some new stuff!

Be my guest and post it.

By the way did you also happen to save my post on "booger-picking?" I was particularly fond of that one. It was a satire designed to show how utterly insane the social-ostracism and guilt heaped upon guy people is.

Farkel

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McVeigh vs Death Penalty

by Amazing in

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i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.

i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.

and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.

Farkel

I never thought I would a "bleeding heart liberal" like you JanH! I am a Libertarian by philosophy, but that's irrelevant. I do not support the Libertarian party, nor many of their platforms.

For almost my entire life I've been "for" the death penalty, and it's only been in the last year that I've given serious thought to the matter. I've concluded that all my reasons for supporting it were irrational: it makes the victim's survivors "feel good" or "have closure"; it guarantees that the murderer will never be in prison and be released should laws change in the future; the severity of the punishment fits the severity of the crime. These reasons are ALL irrational.

Our society does not torture and rape rapists who've done the same thing to their victims, does it? We don't shoot people in the leg who have shot someone else in the leg. We don't beat the beaters and we don't run over with cars the vehicular man-slaughterers.

If we kill the killers, then we are being inconsistent and hypocritical.

The more evidence I see about DNA tests absolutely confirming the innocence of people who've been on death row for decades, the more I'm convinced we are not qualified to issue such a permanent and irrecovable punishment.

But my BEST argument against the death penalty is that it is EXACTLY the same penalty that "Jehovah God-of-the-Bible" enjoys the most. I don't like "Jehovah God-of-the-Bible" and don't want to emulate him. Whatever he has done has always been proven to be wrong. And stupid.

Just because some humans have no respect for life does not mean that governments have to stoop to their level.

Farkel

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"Patterson" Pictures

by ZazuWitts in

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since registering with this forum, i have heard many mention the patterson complex.

having been 'out' since pre-1975, this facility was news to me.

came across this link, and thought i would share it with other.

Farkel

Here's one other thing I didn't mention: the society SHAFTED the architect who designed Patterson. I may be wrong on a some of the facts (I didn't take any notes), but I believe it was Maximus who gave me this information, so he can correct anything I remember incorrectly or if I'm making this whole thing up due to my advancing senility!

The brother who designeed Patterson was also responsible for designing a number of the society's buildings. He worked for years and for free doing this. As he got older and older he thought it would be great to be able to join the Bethel family and devote his full time to doing this kind of work for the society, and the society was most happy to have him become a part of their sancum sanctorium.

UNTIL.....the society found out he had costly medical problems and they were absolutely unwilling to pay for any of them. They left him on his own and out to dry and die. I don't know if he is still alive or not, but he saved the society hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars in architectural fees and then they showed their gratitude by turning around and shafting him.

Farkel

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H2O and all that ...PLEASE READ!!!!!

by Jang in

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folks, i know some of you feel a little peeved with the old h2o but i don't think you have been fair to the new one.

there is and will be a different attitude there and i have been assured of this by both rick and fd2.

i would like to encourage everyone here to cross post on h2o in the various forums .... let's make as many places as we can available for those who need support and questions answered .... theo nly wat to do that is let your past animosities go and think of those coming behind you.. if you have problems there then there is a forum you can post your complaints to and suggestiosn on what needs changing ... i just feel with the number of people here who could help those who come into h2o (and tishies board0 that we need to reach out a little more ..... go over and try it out folks and support others there too .......... http://www.aimoo.com/forum/freeboard.cfm?id=311102.

Farkel

waiting,

You made some good points and I'm not going to disagree with you and your viewpoint.

To reiterate two things that have affected my decision, though: most of us don't have time to participate in more than one forum, and secondly, Rick has had and still possibly has an agenda for reform in the WTS and I do not support and do not think is possible.

Those of us who've been doing this for years know that there are no guarantees that a board will last forever. Like organizations, many of them meet their objectives, and fall into decline. All discussion boards last indefinitely and then fade into the sunset. If the need is there they will be replaced by other boards. All boards will have its trolls, fundies and assorted people who are only looking for trouble.

I've told Rick a number of times I wish him well and I hope his board prospers. I have never stated I would never participate there again, either. I just don't have the time or the energy to post here and there regularly.

Farkel