Posts by flipper

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Brother & Sisters, Aunts and Uncles.....husband and wife

by menrov in

was just thinking about the practice in wt (and i believe some other religions as well) to call your fellow female (baptized) jw a sister, a brother if it is a man.

children call older people aunt or uncle.

so, at home, i can call my wife by her first name etc.

flipper

It used to drive me freaking nuts before or after a meeting when a " brother " or a " sister " would come up to me and ask, " Hello Brother Flipper ( by my last name ) how are you doing today ? " I'd just say to them, " Oh, hi John " or " hi Nancy " then sometimes when I'd get really annoyed within myself I'd tell them, " Please call me by my first name, O.K. ? It feels more comfortable. " So I'd just speak up.

All mind control cults do this to replace our real families so that it programs the cult members mind to be more attached emotionally to the fake " brothers " & " sisters " with the same indoctrinated beliefs. It's ridiculous. Just your garden variety brain washing and mind control which many religions and mind control cults use to control people and WHO people in their organizations consider as " family " . It's actually creepy as hell. Creeps the you know what out of me. One reason again that child abuse is rampant in organizations like the JW's. Too much trust without any check systems. Uncle " Jed " or Uncle " Bob " sitting in the middle of the kingdom hall befriending young kids might be Uncle " Pervert " or Uncle " Twisted " - and none of the J-dubs even know due to TOO MUCH blind trust in each other. Scary scene man. So WT Society leaders get what they deserve in child abuse lawsuits due to no check systems

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This convention talk offended me

by Isambard Crater in

here are my notes from the r.c yesterday, the talk called "jehovah – the greatest example of endurance".

many of you will understand why i found it offensive.. jehovah has taken the hard option of choosing to endure:.

reproach to his holy name.

flipper

I wonder if Peter Gabriel was at that talk ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiCRZLr9oRw

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This convention talk offended me

by Isambard Crater in

here are my notes from the r.c yesterday, the talk called "jehovah – the greatest example of endurance".

many of you will understand why i found it offensive.. jehovah has taken the hard option of choosing to endure:.

reproach to his holy name.

flipper

If I did believe in a " Jehovah " or " Satan " ( which I do not ) Satan is giving Jehovah a butt whipping right now if we were keeping score. I mean Jesus- Satan 6,000 Jehovah 0 right now ? The score is pretty lopsided. If Jah was so caring why has he let so many people suffer ? It really makes his name look BAD, not good in that he's done nothing. My 2 cents

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opportunity for fornication

by road to nowhere in

ever see brother ugly who is 86 being taken to the doctor by sister frigid who is 65 and also not good looking?

they have to have a chaperone or at least sit in back and front seats.

or a man who can't bring the freezing daughter in the house when he stopped briefly by because hubby is not home.

flipper

What Chook said

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Are You Objective About Who You Were As a JW?

by Wasanelder Once in

today there was a jesus preaching head case with a bullhorn blaring "save yourself from the fires of hell!

accept jesus.

god loves you!

flipper

WASANELDER- Great thread topic. I enjoy these " let's analyze ourselves " type threads.

Yeah, I believe I've hit that point now after 14 years of being out of the JW cult- I had that driven home to me when a young teenage JW young man tried to witness to me at my truck today. It was surreal. I could see myself in HIM about 40 years ago in my life. Incredible. I was kind to him and tried to reason with him about living for today and not forgoing a college education just because people tell you the end is near. It hasn't come. I'll write a thread tomorrow on it later. But indeed, yes - I look at it totally from an outsiders view now - but with the " been there done that " in my head that I can step away from myself and reason with current JW's from just a logical standpoint without anger or the need to justify myself for exiting the organization.

Of course having BEEN a JW it's impossible to be totally objective, there's always going to be some subjectivity underneath our deep inner selves within- however I now have the ability ( after being out so many years ) to separate myself and detach from some of the pain I felt - at least enough so to carry on a conversation with JW's (especially JW relatives ) where many times I don't even bring up WT or JW talk at all. I steer the conversations elsewhere - the weather, normal living, hobbies, growing a vegetable garden- stuff normal humans talk about -" not death, life, living in a paradise, never dying, the 144,000 , faithful slave " strange stuff that has no bearing on our reality. So- that's kind of my 2 cents

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JW Kids Bullying My Daughter

by pale.emperor in

trying not to type swearwords as i write this so bare with me.. my little 3yo attends meetings with her jw mum (who doesn't believe watchtower anymore but is stuck in because she relies on her family for help).

my mum (the one who tells people im dead) had a party for her grandchildren.

that's my 4 nieces and 1 nephew aged from 3yo-11yo.

flipper

PALE- Yeah, I know, you handled it wisely. I just had to vent as to what I would have LIKED to do. I probably would have done the same thing you did- you handled it correctly. Hang in there, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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JW Kids Bullying My Daughter

by pale.emperor in

trying not to type swearwords as i write this so bare with me.. my little 3yo attends meetings with her jw mum (who doesn't believe watchtower anymore but is stuck in because she relies on her family for help).

my mum (the one who tells people im dead) had a party for her grandchildren.

that's my 4 nieces and 1 nephew aged from 3yo-11yo.

flipper

Like others here- my blood is boiling as I right this. First of all though- Pale Emperor - you are a magnificent father to be really supportive to your daughter ( what a cool video you took of her ! ) you can see how happy she is with her relationship with you singing about you while banging her drum with sticks . That is so cool. Keep the great work up dad ! You're doing well with her ! You're teaching her unconditional love and natural love from a parent. Very good keep it up.

O.K. Now for my rant- If I was in that house after your brother in law interrogated your daughter - he would have been missing a face after that party. I would have slammed his ass up against a hallway wall and said, " listen jack ass - if you EVER try to manipulate my daughter against me again by coercion of her mind - you're going to WISH the resurrection was a reality " . ( I probably wouldn't say that - but it's what I'd like to say )

You handled it a lot better than I would have. By setting the example for your daughter and showing her love you are teaching her that the treatment she experienced is so wrong and so far from " Christianity " that she'll never want to be part of Jehovah's " psychotic sheep " . Which is a good thing. Keep the great work up , hopefully your wife will eventually leave the organization as well. And I won't even put in print what I think of " Nana " at this party. I'd be kicked off the board. Hang in there, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Another example of the smothering and high control nature of JW husbands

by stuckinarut2 in

i have noticed another popular pattern of behaviour amongst witnesses in recent years.. many, and i mean lots of ones with instagram accounts have closed the wife's account, and have started a "couple's" account instead.

also, for families.

the children's accounts have been closed, and the husband starts a "family account".. it is mainly on the husband's device, and seemingly under his control.

flipper

STUCKINARUT- Interesting thread. One reason I've never had a Facebook account or been on social media is because of what Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho went through. Having been raised in this infernal JW cult from birth- I'm well aware of how many JW's do NOT honor personal boundaries of others at all. I got out in 2003 and I'll be damned if I was going to allow any of my still-in JW relatives to see what I was up to in my personal life so as to use it against me causing me grief with elders who have been out of my life for 14 years after I exited the cult. Not gonna happen.

If any of my ex-JW friends or non-JW friends who want to contact me- they can either E-mail me at my private E-mail address or call me or text message me on my phone, or write a letter to my residence. I'm not gonna put my private info out there so current JW's can sabotage me. I got sabotaged enough when I was INSIDE the JW cult.

That being said- in reply to your thread topic, if a JW father wants to be aware of their minor child's tweets or Facebook replies - I see nothing wrong with that- but his own adult wife - that's a total different story. Any relationship where the husband feels the need to control the wife, or wife control the husband- is a poor excuse for a relationship anyway and probably won't last as it has so many holes in it like Swiss cheese. Relationships do not work from being controlling or allowing oneself to be controlled. Relationships work through honor, trust, and respecting the dignity of the other person

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My Boyfriend is a recent Ex Jehovah Witness

by whatisthis12 in

i have been dating my boyfriend for almost a year now.

when i met him i had no idea that he was a jehovah witness.

we took a vacation and he lied to his parents about who he was with, and they ended up finding out not only that he way lying, but who i was.

flipper

WHATISTHIS- Welcome to the forum. You've had such excellent advice here - I cannot add much to it ! One reason I love all the folks on this board- so helpful to people needing advice.

The 2 major things people have mentioned that I agree with entirely is :

1. Make sure that your boyfriend is not only out of the JW cult physically ( not attending meetings ) but out of the cult mentally for good. Some here have given you great websites to check out information on that .

2. If your boyfriend was not honest with you for one year in keeping you a secret from his family- it very well may mean that he values his PARENTS opinion about his life over the importance of your and his relationship in his life. And that would set a very dangerous precedent for trying to build trust, honesty, and sincerity. He needs to grow up , or mature- like right now in a very real and fast way in order to show where his loyalty lies- towards your relationship - or towards needing approval of his former JW church or his parents. And since his parents are JW's - the whole approval thing is wrapped up with the JW & parent approval all tied in together- a package deal quite realistically.

I wish you the best my friend, but I suggest asking some really deep, probing questions to your boyfriend to see where he's at mentally, emotionally, and physically or spiritually with the JW organization. As others have correctly stated : if you don't address this now, it will be much more difficult to address it down the line . Just my 2 cents. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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A WTF Moment While In the WTS

by Searching in

has anyone else had a moment, while still within the organization (and before learning ttatt) that caused them to stop and go, "this is kind of messed up.".

for instance, back i believe in the early 2000's, i was attending a dc with my family.

it was announced at the beginning of the convention that there was going to be a special announcement at the end, so for everyone to please try to remain until the very end of the meeting.

flipper

I had so many WTF ? moments it's amazing I didn't exit the organization years before I finally did. But fear of losing family does strange things to your reasoning capacity and pulling the trigger on actually jumping to the freedom side of the fence.

But personally- it was the abuse of power by the elders that led me to many of my WTF ? moments. I saw so many of my fellow JW's abused mentally and emotionally as well as myself - that I reached my breaking point and walked out of the kingdom hall cold turkey- never to return again. Best decision I ever made