Posts by flipper

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Jehovah will clean his house first...

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

with all the stuff going on in the org.

that is not being said, many of the friends say, well, jehovah will clean his house first....with all this religious hiding of child abuse...what denomination was exposed/cleaned first...although they were forced they were exposed and many still go to these places of worship.

so are the jw really god's chosen channel.

flipper

If their was a God - or "Jehovah " - he would have cleaned out the WT leaders long ago-the governing body and those leading that corrupt organization. I think the judicial system , police, and government authorities will have to clean house for God. He's either sleeping on the job - or does not exist to do the job correctly

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WT Society Creates the Atmosphere which Spawns Child Abuse in Congregations

by flipper in

been thinking about this lately after almost 14 years out of the jw cult myself.

when you think of the language used within the jehovah's witness organization in such a closed society environment in how the wt society promotes almost absolute " trust " in the elders , the governing body, and trust even in the " friends " in the congregation themselves- is it any wonder that unscrupulous child molesters can enter any congregation pretending to be " spiritual " and take advantage of unsuspecting children or the parents ?

think about it : an individual is judged as a " spiritual " person within the jw organization based on what wt functions or duties they are good at performing.

flipper

Now for pg. 2 reply . Have to work tonight but I'll reply to OTWO's response first. Please feel free to keep replies coming in on this thread when I'm out of town till tomorrow ,I appreciate it. Take care.

ON THE WAY OUT- Very good points you make. Isn't it supremely ironic that the JW's allow their children to be with " brothers " in " good standing " and don't even question it- yet they'd never do that probably with any " worldly " people they even know ? It's totally due to the mind control and thought indoctrination concerning how " worldly " people are viewed as compared with JW people as taught by the WT Society.

Yeah, I don't see the WT Society implementing any forbidding of JW minors working with older " brothers " in the congregation. WT Society allegedly has in place some policy forbidding children working alone with any known pedophile- yet I feel it would be even better to prevent kids from working alone in service with any adult not in their immediate family. But- WT will never do that. They care too much about profits- not enough about children's safety. And yes- the old " repentant act " that child molesters put on their face when sitting before a JC can get them " reproved " instead of " dfed " which can further endanger children's welfare. I agree- it's a messed up system through and through

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WT Society Creates the Atmosphere which Spawns Child Abuse in Congregations

by flipper in

been thinking about this lately after almost 14 years out of the jw cult myself.

when you think of the language used within the jehovah's witness organization in such a closed society environment in how the wt society promotes almost absolute " trust " in the elders , the governing body, and trust even in the " friends " in the congregation themselves- is it any wonder that unscrupulous child molesters can enter any congregation pretending to be " spiritual " and take advantage of unsuspecting children or the parents ?

think about it : an individual is judged as a " spiritual " person within the jw organization based on what wt functions or duties they are good at performing.

flipper

FINKELSTEIN- Good point. The WT Society has not only a self supporting diagram but a self supporting social system which supports prospective child abusers. It's so muddied with performing the WT functions like service, commenting, etc. as you said- that JW's could never tell who is a child molester and who is not. I like your expression that " The WTS purposefully creates an illusion of religious wholesomeness " - good point. So it's easy for unscrupulous pedophiles to take advantage of that environment to attack children.

LV 101- Interesting that an elders wife warned you not to let your children stay at sleepovers at other JW's houses. So she KNEW things were going on in the congregation. It's so weird that some JW's may know what's going on within the congregation- but will never come right out and SAY there's child abuse happening. They just are too " protective " of the Jehovah's Witness name or title that they don't want negative news of child abuse spreading around

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WT Society Creates the Atmosphere which Spawns Child Abuse in Congregations

by flipper in

been thinking about this lately after almost 14 years out of the jw cult myself.

when you think of the language used within the jehovah's witness organization in such a closed society environment in how the wt society promotes almost absolute " trust " in the elders , the governing body, and trust even in the " friends " in the congregation themselves- is it any wonder that unscrupulous child molesters can enter any congregation pretending to be " spiritual " and take advantage of unsuspecting children or the parents ?

think about it : an individual is judged as a " spiritual " person within the jw organization based on what wt functions or duties they are good at performing.

flipper

Thanks for the great comments and observations !

FREEMINDFADE- Good points you make. I remember being around so many fake people in congregations who feigned being " spiritual " but inside were master manipulators of other people. And dangerous besides . And yes, there should be health warnings on kingdom hall entries - but then WT knows nobody would attend then. But you never know- with the strength of mind control- maybe JW's still would attend. LOL.

FASTJEHU- Exactly. From the top of the organization down to the lowliest JW - people are told to obey, obey, obey . So indeed in that atmosphere it's difficult for a young JW child or parent to protect themselves as the mind indoctrination to " cooperate " or " obey " is deeply entrenched. Pretty disgusting.

SIR 82- Extremely good points you bring out. I agree. I think it IS 100 % all about performing WT functions and 0 % about character or having good qualities. And the most dangerous part of this is what you stated, " the most despicable people can find acceptance, respect, even dominance of others in the congregations. " Precisely. One of the main reasons I posted this thread- to perhaps get lurking JW's or people sitting on the fence to think about the implications.

SIMON- Very true. WT leaders knowingly put children in danger in order to promote position, power, growth of the organization, and financial wealth of the WT organization while throwing children's welfare to the wind. Very sick.

LONG HAIR GAL- Good points you make my friend. WT Society cleverly and slyly breaks down a typical JW's personal boundaries to the point of as you stated, " eroding people's natural instinct of self-preservation. " Well put indeed. And most JW's don't even REALIZE their personal boundaries are being trampled on ! That's how insidious and tricky the WT deception is. Like you said as with the frog in boiling water- JW's gradually get conditioned, accustomed to this invasion of privacy - whereas most normal people in society would put the brakes on and say " wait a minute stop infringing on my rights " . I agree with you about how you can smell a user or manipulator a mile away now- I'm the same way. Very in tune to spotting it now. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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WT Society Creates the Atmosphere which Spawns Child Abuse in Congregations

by flipper in

been thinking about this lately after almost 14 years out of the jw cult myself.

when you think of the language used within the jehovah's witness organization in such a closed society environment in how the wt society promotes almost absolute " trust " in the elders , the governing body, and trust even in the " friends " in the congregation themselves- is it any wonder that unscrupulous child molesters can enter any congregation pretending to be " spiritual " and take advantage of unsuspecting children or the parents ?

think about it : an individual is judged as a " spiritual " person within the jw organization based on what wt functions or duties they are good at performing.

flipper

Been thinking about this lately after almost 14 years out of the JW cult myself. When you think of the language used within the Jehovah's Witness organization in such a closed society environment in how the WT Society promotes almost absolute " trust " in the elders , the Governing body, and trust even in the " friends " in the congregation themselves- is it any wonder that unscrupulous child molesters can enter any congregation pretending to be " spiritual " and take advantage of unsuspecting children OR the parents ?

Think about it : An individual is judged as a " spiritual " person within the JW organization based on what WT functions or duties they are good at performing. If you raise your hand and answer at meetings, you're " spiritual " . If you faithfully give talks on the platform you are " spiritual " . If you pioneer - you are " spiritual " . Turn your time in at the end of the month - you are considered " spiritual " . In the WT Society's view - a person is considered " spiritual " only because of obeying by performing WT Society functions that benefit the WT Society. " Spirituality " is not determined by how kind, empathetic, loving, just, mild, or good a person is within or by their personality inside- it's the OUTSIDE performing of WT functions that makes a person " good " .

So a man can become an elder by getting field service time in, commenting, giving talks- yet still beat the crap out of his wife in privacy at home or molest his children or other children in the congregation as long as he keeps it hidden - all the while performing these WT functions which outwardly make him look like a " saint " . He might not even be nice in his personality. Or he may be a charmer. Yet either way keeping up a good " front " . Meanwhile rank & file " brothers & sisters " in the congregation may look at such a person as an " example " even letting their children play with this elders children in both homes of the families. So no one suspects a thing- until an explosion of criminal child abuse happens- then all hell breaks loose.

Think of the loaded language that fosters this view within Jehovah's Witnesses that make them think that they are " better " or more " special " than anybody else in the world - which leads to TOO much trust within the congregation. Language such as : " WE are a people for special possession " , " Jehovah's chosen servants " , " our brothers & sisters " , " Jehovah's people identified by the love we have among ourselves " , " only we have the truth " , " avoid worldly people " , " the safe confines of our spiritual paradise " . You get the point. JW's are indoctrinated to ONLY trust fellow JW's. Like a frog in a pot of boiling water - JW's consider themselves " safe " . So if you get anybody coming into the congregation - a person can get newly baptized, jump through the hoops of performing WT functions and - BINGO ! They are considered " good association " and " spiritual " . Then it becomes even more dangerous once one of these predators gets appointed to a power position of elder in a congregation as other JW's are even more intimidated by the power this elder wields and possesses. So if anyone comes out with accusations of child abuse towards an elder- the JW's are trained to doubt the validity of the child abuse charges- because THEY are told " Oh no ! Brother so and so is SPIRITUAL - he wouldn't molest children - he's an elder, or a pioneer ! " You see my point. JW's minds are conditioned to trust too much and give most fellow JW's , especially elders and the GB the benefit of any doubt.

And therein lies the danger of this WT Society mind indoctrination. And in my opinion why so much child abuse happens within the congregations. Then the WT indoctrination continues in NOT reporting child abuse first to police authorities- but insisting their elders report it to the WT legal department first. Which takes the power away from police and puts it back in the hands of WT legal and the Governing Body as to how to keep performing WT functions to handle child abuse cases. So the atmosphere of promoting child abuse keeps being protected from the top of the WT Society all the way down to every last rank & file JW in " protecting " the JW organization's " good name " and " spirituality " - while throwing sexually abused children and their parents and families under the bus. And for the sake of what ? To protect a billion $$$ corporation that wishes to extend it's 138 year existence since 1879. And most JW's are none the wiser- don't have a clue that the environment they are in is probably a hell of a lot more dangerous than the " worldly " environment they condemn.

As always I look forward to any thoughts or ideas you have about this subject as well . Take care, have a good day

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Help denied visiting my gradchildren in jw brothers custody

by Phoenixrain in

i regret trusting my jw brother ...long story short my daughter trusted him and gave custody to him of 2 children, he married and cut us out .. moved ect .

sents then he moved in with dad in arizona he has faded... sis in law became caregiver... cared to stress him on a daily bases... i got to see the kids once... in over 10 years.

sis in law is a cold mean devious person got my brother to shunning dad now... because he complaint about her abusive actions .... .

flipper

You need to call a hotline in order to get some free legal advice or check the internet for attorneys that take cases pro bono perhaps. I don't know exactly how the laws differ from California to Arizona- but you have my empathy for the sad situation you are facing. I have some JW relatives who I find it difficult to trust as well. I do know how hard THAT is. Hang in there and I wish the best of luck to you in your situation

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Three congregations dissolved and a kingdom hall sold within a 50 mile radius in my area...

by UNCONDITIONAL LOVE in

jw
friends

has anyone else heard of these situations with congregations and halls in your area?

i thought the ground breaking mandatory pledge a little while ago was to keep up with "immense" growth?

how soon they forget... looks really bleak for the future of the wbats, the jw gravy train seems to be coming to a slow and agonizing yet inevitable stop.

flipper

What Sir 82 said. I totally agree. Wash, rinse, repeat. Wash, rinse, repeat

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Three congregations dissolved and a kingdom hall sold within a 50 mile radius in my area...

by UNCONDITIONAL LOVE in

jw
friends

has anyone else heard of these situations with congregations and halls in your area?

i thought the ground breaking mandatory pledge a little while ago was to keep up with "immense" growth?

how soon they forget... looks really bleak for the future of the wbats, the jw gravy train seems to be coming to a slow and agonizing yet inevitable stop.

flipper

This is happening all over the United States right now as the WT Society put a stop to all construction on new kingdom halls - except up in rural New York at the new " Bethel " . Now WT Society is consolidating many congregations forcing people to drive 30 miles or more to just attend meetings. And for what reason ? Financial gain $$$$$$$ of course !

Last spring I even heard my JW son in law complaining about this wondering if their little kingdom hall was going to be sold- forcing him and my daughter to drive for miles to attend meetings. It's not a pretty picture in JW land right now. One moment a couple years ago the WT Society was saying to rank & file JW's " We have a need for money ! Help further kingdom interests ! WE need your contributions. " Now it's , " No need for further construction, we're good. We still need your contributions though. "

It's a scam of epic proportions. They've already forced congregations to make payments to the WT Society in remodeling thousands of kingdom halls to cause indebtedness of congregations to the Society- now we see what the reasons for that all was- to keep money coming in to offset child abuse scandals, to pad the WT Society's billion $$$$$ worth of sales of prime Brooklyn property - and to start up a NEW scam- sweeping uncrowded kingdom halls out from under congregations who have paid for these halls with volunteer labor, volunteer donations - then forcing JW's to drive 30 miles or 45 minutes to meetings because no Kingdom hall is left in their area !

" Jehovah's " warm bounty of " Christian love " being displayed by the Governing Body is just dizzying isn't it ? Of course according to the new June WT - even if jW's DISAGREE with this situation- they still have to obey " God's chosen servants and his sovereignty " - right ? So disgusting I could puke

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What is your opinion of the news media?

by minimus in

to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

flipper

JUST FINE- You just see it differently than I do, and I respect that. I see signs of information control in the Trump administration - just like occurs what within the WT Society leadership.

Your statement, " a little respect on both sides would help the situation" . O.K. Then try explaining that to Trump when he puts down former president Obama at news conferences by telling the crowd " now you have a REAL president ! " I mean, realistically ,come on- how insulting can he get ? It's pretty freaking obnoxious and rude for sure. I cannot stand Trumps bragging, his lack of ethics, manners, or idiocy. There has never been a less qualified president elected to office ever- in my opinion

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June 2017 Watchtower - Jehovah's Sovereignty is at stake if you disagree with us

by Listener in

four years ago the watchtower made the following demand.

all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

they are not content with obedience and in the upcoming june watchtower they have this to say -15. how does respect for theocratic headship reveal our love for jehovah’s way of ruling?15 what is our response to divinely authorized headship?

flipper

LISTENER - Thanks for posting this, interesting.

WT statement from the June WT , " Even if we do not fully understand OR AGREE with a decision , we will still want to support theocratic order. "

WT Translation - What they REALLY mean : " Even if you as Jehovah's people don't AGREE with our policies dealing with child abuse , shunning, not going to college, no blood transfusions, you as Jehovah's people will still NEED to support theocratic order to remain in good standing in the congregation. "

WT P.S. - " Even IF we are a criminal organization, the Governing Body still have DIVINELY AUTHORIZED HEADSHIP . Deal with it. " Peace out, Mr. flipper