Good points Anders & Smiddy. This is an important thread I feel to keep bumped up for the reason that it's exposing the WT Society as a covert organization that is telling it's elders to NOT testify in courts of the land AND WT is apparently instructing elders to secretly call up JW's who they want to kick out- and harass and threaten them with expulsion if these JW's testify or sue the WT or local elders. One way I guess the WT Society leaders feel empowered are the only ways that they know in how to get rid of their enemies - either pay them off exorbitant sums of money to keep them quiet about child abuse- or eliminate these " enemies " who talk too much by DFing them or expelling them out of the congregation. Even if by harassing phone calls. Disgusting
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Today the two elders did not appear to declare at prosecutor's citation
by opusdei1972 intoday the two elders who stalked my sister were absent at the prosecutor's citation.
they were waited for 1 hour, but they did not come.
this attitude favors their culpability.
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“Even if this wasn’t the Truth, I need the structure.”
by Londo111 ini remember many years back a fellow ministerial servant saying this to me.
he felt that even if jehovah’s witnesses were not the only true religion, the regimented routine of meetings and field service and the strict rules and enforcement provided a beneficial structure for his life.
at the time i thought if this wasn’t “the truth”, i’d have no need for all that “structure”.
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LONDO- Excellent thread ! Bingo, you nailed it. Many of us have the ability to be decent, moral, good human beings without an organization or sky daddy telling us to do so. I've always felt that the " inherited sin from Adam " thing and - " we are such sinners we need direction " thing is a bunch of crap. I think babies are born beautiful and perfect- it's not until they start getting influenced by prejudiced adults around them with skewed views of life and skewed prejudices of others that young people start going astray. And this includes children getting skewed views from their parents religious beliefs as well.
If a JW would just sit and listen to themselves make this statement in your opening thread, how absurd it sounds, " Even if this wasn't the Truth, I need the Structure ". Great. Then a person is going to live their life on untruths until they die ? And even worse base their lives on " structured untruths " ? Then they get REALLY stuck because it's TOO structured where they can't think for themselves or think critically if these " structured untruths " don't work out very well. It's a dark rabbit hole that many JW's never recover from. Luckily Londo- you HAVE recovered like lots of us here ! A toast to freedom of mind. It's too valuable to ever lose again for any of us ! Peace out, mr. Flipper
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Hearts going out to those in the Fort Mac area
by Dagney ina few posters on here live in fort mcmurray, canada where there is a devastating fire.
one at least has lost her home and beloved dog.
thinking of you all.
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We send our thoughts and hopes for all up in this area of Canada. We had our share of wildfires up in Northern California last year- and it's pure hell. So much devastation. We are with you in spirit. Sincerely, Mr. Flipper -
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Today the two elders did not appear to declare at prosecutor's citation
by opusdei1972 intoday the two elders who stalked my sister were absent at the prosecutor's citation.
they were waited for 1 hour, but they did not come.
this attitude favors their culpability.
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OPUSDEI 1972- Well, we see that the elder apples don't fall far from the Governing Body tree- do they ? Because GB member Gerrit Losch refused to show up demanded by a Superior court to testify on WT child abuse in the case of Gilbert Campos in San Diego, California , and the WT Society refused to submit documentation from their database files showing there are 20,000 JW pedophiles in the United States alone when a judge demanded them to - and the judge slapped WT Society with a 13.5 million $$$$$ penalty for refusing to show up.
I wonder what kind of fines these elders will be slapped with if they keep listening to the idiotic WT legal department telling them to rebel against the courts and not show up. Really incredible. WT Society is like a train wreck snowball causing avalanches in everyone's lives. Sick cult. I hope your sister gets justice my friend
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Today's Study - Shun Disfellowshipped Family, Don't Marry Outsiders, Tell On Others!
by Divergent inurghhh... what a disgusting study!7 a conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped.
for example, a sister named anne received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother.
the mother wanted to visit anne because she felt pained by her isolation from the family.
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This is absolutely disgusting information from the WT Society. It's emotional blackmail - so now we know where our JW relatives learn these barbaric, criminal attitudes. It comes down and starts at the top of the WT organization. And filters down into the core soul of most all JW's. The few JW's who DO socialize with dfed relatives have to do it secretly or they'll be an accounting to congregation elders. Such a messed up organization -
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Those who live their lives according to writings 2000-4000 years ago , how insane is that.?
by smiddy inwhen you think about it , in this 21st century of enlightenment , the explosion of information technology in all fields imaginable , yet the majority of humans of all faiths live their lives according to ancient scriptures / writings etc.for a world long past its use by date.. the bible says" faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for " none of the expectations hoped for in the jehovah`s witness religion ever eventuated , and neither has it in any other faith .. faith , of no matter what belief , is the carrot on the end of a stick leading the gullible on , and on , and on .and on.. smiddy.
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Oh, man, it just blows me away how such a majority of the human race is superstitious.
It's everywhere! Swear on the bible, in god we trust...
Written by primitive tribal people - how convenient that in some of the stories some guy did horrible things, but if he sucked up to God it was ok.
Mrs. Flipper
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San Diego abuse case: stay tuned. Zalkin's motion to be considered this Friday.
by Sugar Shane inzalkin proposing huge sanctions if jw leadership fails to produce documents.
unredacted this time!
feds need to get involved with this.
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Wifibandit- Would you be able to send the PDF of your Massachusetts WT letter of 2002 to the bodies of elders you made a thread about to Irwin Zalkin's law firm before this San Diego court date tomorrow ? Can you E-mail the PDF to his firm ? I'm sure he would use it appropriately in order to prove the WT Society IS aware of the laws- they have just ignored the laws about reporting . Hopefully you can. Take care , Peace out, Mr. Flipper -
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May 17, 2002 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN MASSACHUSETTS Re: Amendment to Massachusetts Child Abuse Reporting Statute
by wifibandit inmay 17, 2002 to all bodies of elders in massachusetts re: amendment to massachusetts child abuse reporting statute
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This is important. WIFI- I hope Irwin Zalkin the attorney in the Campos case in San Diego , California has a copy of this WT Society letter to the elders to PROVE that communication WAS sent to elders in 2002 to do mandatory reporting- yet in the state of Massachusetts through the years this was NOT done by WT appointed elders I would venture to say. As well as other states that require mandatory reporting P.S. Edited to add - WIFIBANDIT - Is there anyway you can send this PDF to Zalkin's law firm TODAY ? As tomorrow Friday they are having this San Diego court appearance to re-try the WT Society for it's negligence in following court orders to supply any child abuse information ? I bet Zalkin could use this info appropriately. -
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April is child abuse prevention month
by StarTrekAngel inat least here in texas.
in the building where i work, there is a big poster board and people are putting signatures down on it.
i was thinking about printing something similar to the billboard that was up in benton, tx and adding to the board.
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April is child abuse prevention month
by StarTrekAngel inat least here in texas.
in the building where i work, there is a big poster board and people are putting signatures down on it.
i was thinking about printing something similar to the billboard that was up in benton, tx and adding to the board.
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" Any other ideas or thoughts " ? Yes, what Data-Dog said. He's right, this is war on child abuse within not only the JW organization but all high control organizations.
The last 2 months I have been regularly tacking up on billboards and information boards the JW Facts.com & " Australia JW 1,000 cases of molesters not reported " printouts at two supermarket stores - one in our area - another an hour south of our area where I work. Sometimes they will stay up there a week without being taken down by somebody - other times just a few days. But that's O.K. I've printed out 20 to 30 copies each, it's not expensive. If I see a JW or someone has taken it down- I just tack up some new printouts. Pretty easy.
Let's stay active people ! THIS is important. Not whether Prince died or however much money he left to whomever. If JW's have the right to freedom of speech and keep coming back to our doors- WE EX-JW'S have the same right to freedom of speech to expose criminal child abuse within the WT Society and JW organization. If they take your printouts down- put more back up ! You never know WHO will see the information or read it on a supermarket message board. Data Dog is right- this is a war against child abuse and it's a war against criminal organizations like the WT Society who allow such abuse to go unreported to police. It's something we all can do to get a message across