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35 Years Ago Today - John Lennon - Peace Advocate was Murdered

by flipper in

jw
friends

in this age of violence with the san bernardino and france massacres sometimes it's good to reflect on the wise words of the peace advocates among us who proposed a better solution in bringing a more civil society to our universe.

john lennon, martin luther king jr. - people who stood up for equal rights and world peace and denounced violence and war - no matter how that violence occurs.

please feel free to comment on stories of john lennon on this thread and feel free to post any you tubes of his music that you may have enjoyed through the years.

flipper

NICOLAOU- It truly was a loss of tremendous proportions. Some really good songs on the Double Fantasy album indeed.

SIMON- Thanks for posting the you tube of McCartney's tribute song to Lennon. I was devastated as well at age 21 when I saw it flashed across Monday Night Football from Howard Cosell that Lennon was shot and killed . I grew up loving the Beatles music. Still do love it. McCartney and Lennon were my boyhood heroes. Still are. Even though they had their differences over the years- they did patch things up before Lennon was killed. Paul and John working together in my opinion were some of the greatest songwriters in the history of rock n' roll. Individually their work wasn't too shabby either- however - I think they were better as a songwriting team. But their individual efforts like " Mind Games " , " Imagine " , " Band on the Run " , " My Love " - any songwriter would give his or her writing hand to write classics like those.

LITTLEROCKGUY- Of course John Lennon made some bad mistakes in his life , who hasn't ? It's sad that his first marriage broke up , but I do believe he made his peace with Julian from what I've read before he died. Who died and made you " God " to judge people ? We've all screwed up in our lives in a personal way. Whether it's adultery, drinking, drugs - who the hell cares ? If we accomplish bigger things in life for the greater good of humanity it doesn't nullify the good someone does. John Lennon never murdered anybody. I have more animosity towards Mark David Chapman and other murderers than Lennon's indiscretions. But I guess you've never screwed up in your life and are perfect before the 1,000 year reign has started- correct ? Jesus. Get a life.

LOVEUNIHATEXAMS- Thanks for the you tubes ! Don't worry about posting Happiness is a Warm Gun . It was a great song ! Lennon was a great songwriter indeed. Thanks for responding. Mark David Chapman can rot in his jail cell for all I care. What a sicko.

RIP VAN W INKLE- I think a lot of us remember where we were when Lennon got shot like some of us remember where we were when John kennedy got shot. Very awful feeling we were all left with indeed.

CLAMBAKE- Well, as I expressed I am sure John had his faults. But don't you and I as well ? Sounds like we have some judgmental JW's or ex-JW's on this board. Come on people , get real Are we all perfect here- or what ? Good lord. Why not just kick the dead while they're buried and not respect the dead ? Pretty weird option if you ask me

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35 Years Ago Today - John Lennon - Peace Advocate was Murdered

by flipper in

jw
friends

in this age of violence with the san bernardino and france massacres sometimes it's good to reflect on the wise words of the peace advocates among us who proposed a better solution in bringing a more civil society to our universe.

john lennon, martin luther king jr. - people who stood up for equal rights and world peace and denounced violence and war - no matter how that violence occurs.

please feel free to comment on stories of john lennon on this thread and feel free to post any you tubes of his music that you may have enjoyed through the years.

flipper

In this age of violence with the San Bernardino and France massacres sometimes it's good to reflect on the wise words of the peace advocates among us who proposed a better solution in bringing a more civil society to our universe. John Lennon, Martin Luther King Jr. - people who stood up for equal rights and world peace and denounced violence and war - no matter how that violence occurs. Please feel free to comment on stories of John Lennon on this thread and feel free to post any you tubes of his music that you may have enjoyed through the years. We need more peace advocates today like he was 35 years ago and before. Rest in Peace John. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dHUfy_YBps.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

flipper

" What is the Alternative to JW ? "

Just go live your life out in peace and happiness pursuing freedom of mind without any religious fantasy and superstition. Sounds like a feasible plan to me

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WTBTS Submissions to Royal Commission on abuse: The response document in FULL

by JWchange in

it is not obvious if someone has already put the responses and excuses to the findings of the royal commission, by watchtower on this forum somewhere, sorry if it is already posted.

click on the link below, and scroll down to 'submissions' near bottom of page and you can download the full document.

if this link doesn't work.

flipper

Once again it becomes apparent that WT Society leaders will NEVER ever admit to fault or mistakes , or that they are wrong in their policies or directives in any way, shape, or form. They are just too arrogant. And Vidiot and Done4Good hit the nail on the head as well that if they admit to these errors and blunders - then it would be exposed that KNOWINGLY elders, possibly C.O.'s , D.O. 's , and even Governing Body members themselves were appointed into positions of oversight while WT leaders KNEW of their past child molestation offenses and kept it secret. If that came to light in courts and the public arena it would add a quicker pace to the demise of the WT Society. Quicker than the pace they are currently on. So instead, WT leaders just deny and lie about it. Like I've said before it's a " criminal organization "

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How much of a " free-spirit" are you?

by The Rebel in

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friends

i think every one wants to be a " free- spirit", but what does that really mean?.

i ask the question because :-.

a) i decided i would not give the religiouse organisation i belonged to the power to force me to rebel within its organisation, when the " free-spirit" inside me no longer wanted to be controlled by this religion.. b) i now realise the " free-spirit" within me that demanded independence from w.t control has also come with great consequences, which has now made the price of my liberation seem shallow.. anyway i am not well educated, but i do now appreciate the psychological and emotional consequences my actions have had on my family, and friends.

flipper

Great thread Rebel- thanks for posting it ! I agree with Heaven a JW person doesn't HAVE the right to choose whether or not to be a free spirit. You are told what to choose, how to think, who your " friends " are, and how to live, eat, breathe, sleep and what to do with your time. As a JW your time is not your own, it's the WT Society's time and you are a slave who serves the WT leader masters and their purposes and intentions.

It's disgusting how much " obedience " is drilled into the heads of each and every Witness. Just sit and think how MANY times we hear that word " obedience " in many of the WT publications . Then sit here and realize how DANGEROUS that word is to be so indoctrinated into rank & file JW's brain. " Because of being taught to be " obedient " it makes JW's ignore ANY criminal conduct on the part of the governing body members or other higher ups within the WT Society. JW's don't have access to their critical thinking brains to discern if their leaders are wrong or not- because they are told that they are always right and not to be questioned ! They are PROGRAMMED to think and exist that way. And THAT is even more dangerous because then JW's REALLY become enslaved as victims of the Stockholm Syndrome whereby they become accomplices or complicit unwittingly with any crimes the WT leaders commit as JW's support them because they are told to support WT leaders NO MATTER WHAT. Deceived into thinking WT leaders are being " persecuted " for what normal people view as crimes against humanity.

So yes, I AM a free spirit after being out almost 13 years from this organization. I am no longer enslaved and relieved and happy for that. I can look at the JW's and WT Society from a distance now as kind of a " sinking Titanic " type of organization. The band is playing on the ship's deck claiming " Armageddon " is coming and telling people to get onto the WT Society " Titanic " as the ship ( the organization ) is going down financially sinking deeper and deeper into it's own criminality and malaise , corruption, and scandals. Pretty weird scene

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The watchtowers view on Rape!!! must see

by Khaleesi in

this person did a great job putting this together... i am disgusted with wt policies & them acting both judge & jurywatch "noonespecial - rapists - jw" on .

youtube.

https://youtu.be/lwufz7gyozm.

flipper

Thanks for posting this . The WT Society IS a criminal organization protecting lawbreakers. Disgusting. Peace out , Mr. Flipper

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Why do people just give their money to the Watchtower?

by WireRider in

what do they contribute to humanity?

what do they contribute to any part of society?.

why are people paying for a scam?.

flipper

For the same reason human beings have always surrendered their well being to religion.

Life takes a lot of critical thinking to cope with effectively. That's too much work for some, much less coping with death, loss, poverty, pain, depression, ill health, etc.

The religions promise escape from all that - all you have to do is sacrifice THIS life.

A born again friend told me "this is just practice for the real life in heaven with the father." She also said the Bush administrations were good honest men because they were Christian.

They really do give their minds up to be controlled. The JWs throw their families under the bus by shunning, and helping cover up child abuse for the selfish desire to cheat death.

For the same reason they fork over the money - to buy their way to "paradise"

I just don't know how they can really believe the bullshit.

Mrs. Flipper

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Basic training for jihadists

by barry in

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcbqlgkymkw

flipper

Focusing on how twisted their religion is does not address a very scary problem - anger and resentment toward the West, especially the US.

Check out the various polls done on world's opinion of USA. And polls done in different time periods. Right now the most disapproving countries are in the middle east. Previous time periods correlate to where the US was "helping".

Their countries have been torn apart and they know darn well it's not for their "freedom" but for their petroleum.

And the stupid terrorists are attacking the general public - if they were so brave or had their wits about them at all wouldn't they go after the war profit corporates?

Somehow we all get sidetracked.

Mrs. Flipper

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Can everyone agree on an anti-Watchtower definition?

by WireRider in

i would like to see a unified effort from those that have defected.

certainly there are exceptional, very legitimate, detailed experiences from a few.

what about the regulars that chose to leave?

flipper

Anyway, I would define the Watchtower as a corrupt money grubbing corporate religion that has abused its power enough to be experiencing repercussions.

Mrs. F

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Can everyone agree on an anti-Watchtower definition?

by WireRider in

i would like to see a unified effort from those that have defected.

certainly there are exceptional, very legitimate, detailed experiences from a few.

what about the regulars that chose to leave?

flipper

I believe an example of "No true Scotsman" is when JW's are confronted with evidence of bad behavior by another JW: Well, he isn't a "real" witness.

Is that correct?

Mrs. Flipper