i commented on this on another thread- but i believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself.
at the current district convention as you know the wt society released a " sophie & caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse.
they don't really use the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a cartoon !
FINKELSTEIN- Yeah, I think it's a decoy the WT Society is trying to use portraying a monster as a child molester instead of a real human being. That way it's less incriminating towards individual members of Jehovah's Witnesses who actually ARE child molesters. Pretty tricky.
VIDIOT- Exactly WT Society makes their own version of reality. It's ridiculous
i am not sure if this guy is really from bethel, or walkill, but if he is....this poor guy really tells it like it is from the heart.
he was surprised.. at the 'oh so fast, pack your bags, get your stuff outta here' layoff !.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1xh1egjcu
CLEANIDEAS- Wow, just holy fuc%ing wow. Being born and raised in this cult exiting 12 years ago at age 44 - I thought I had seen it all, experienced it all- but I come on this thread and I'm STILL being shocked by the insensitive,, inhumane behavior of the WT Society and it's representatives. So you are seriously saying that you as a volunteer worker had a bad cold at Bethel and even though you didn't have 25 cents for the 2 cold pills they REFUSED to give it to you ? Jesus freaking Christ ! Why didn't the assholes just give you a quarter to pay for your pills ? Unfreaking believable !
This man's you tube sounds EXTREMELY credible, and what's more this story can be repeated thousands of times inside this mind numbing organization. I feel so sorry for this young man in the you tube and I hope he has a good support system to help him carry on in his life. I know for a fact that the main reason I left this organization was due to being treated unjustly, unfairly, and not being shown love. It's a criminal organization. It opened my eyes- I'm sure it's done the same for this young man. Hope he has a much more successful life in the future
considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.
2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.
these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.
i commented on this on another thread- but i believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself.
at the current district convention as you know the wt society released a " sophie & caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse.
they don't really use the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a cartoon !
Was out of town as some of you know for a few days- wanted to respond to folks who posted on this thread. Thanks for your replies.
REBEL 8- Exactly. To make this child molester in the video appear as a " blob " or " monster " totally misdirects the direction on where child abuse REALLY comes from ! Not " blobs " or " monsters " but REAL human beings with ties and shirts on in the kingdom hall ! But maybe, just maybe THAT is what the WT leaders are trying to do here - not bring ANY attention about child abuse as coming from inside the congregation by using a fictitious monster instead of real humans. I think that is part of it by WT design. A decoy.
LISA ROSE- You make a very good point about JW's being in a state of denial regarding child abuse. They don't want to acknowledge that it might be happening from their own " friends " or family- so they choose to either ignore or dismiss minor children's accusations. It's really cowardly of them to do so I feel. Very much so. Support criminals instead of victims ? Incredibly weird.
OZGIRL- GB is definitely out of touch with reality. How can toddlers even DEVELOP a conscience like a teenager ? It's ridiculous how the WT Society is so out of touch with real child psychology. Good point about how the WT Society SHOULD make a video about reporting child abuse to police. Exactly. But with the WT leaders financial interests at stake- I doubt such a video would be made.
SOWHATNOW- Yeah, I mean a drama on child abuse would have to be done with respect for sure in addressing the subject. It doesn't have to be explicit, but just get the message across that this is what REAL humans do who are criminals not what fictitious BLOBS or fictitious MONSTERS do. Touching of course wouldn't have to be shown- but the inference of what's going on indicating the seriousness of the child abuse crime direction the scene would be heading to. And then have the actors in the drama report the abuse to police. This would have a much more powerful effect than blobs running around. In my opinion
well another big bad elder here just wanting to say sorry.. i'm sorry that so many were treated like crap, and shown that god's love is not to be found around jehovah's witnesses.
i'm sorry that inadvertently i've likely taught many to judge and as such see that racism permeates every corner of the jw world, else why else would someone be of the world, or even inactive.
i'm sorry i sat in on a jc, and voted to df.
hi guys,.
i might go to the meeting.
i stopped going in my heart properly in nov 2013, but i went to a couple of meetings to support a love one that was df'd and tried to teach them a little ttatt.. now another df'd loved one is coming to see me today and will likely encourage me to try and get ri'd, and i want to support her.
KATE- Of course it's totally your decision to make-none of us can make that decision for you- however since you asked - I truly believe that many ex-JW's , some on this board even- may underestimate the POWER of cult mind control. If a person decides to sit in the atmosphere of hearing the catch phrases, the WT doctrines, and mind manipulation information coming off the platform- THAT is what can happen- mind control, mind manipulation and possibly re-indoctrination. It's not just a mind control thing ; it's a physiological change that occurs inside a persons brain neurotransmitters when this information comes into our minds. Our nerve or neurotransmitters over many years of JW indoctrination made familiar or common pathways through our mind that became WAY too familiar ( one reason it's hard for JW's to look at ANY other viewpoints their brains are blazed or branded with this neurotransmitter thought process. )
After not attending meetings for 2 years and reading other non-JW information your mind has made NEW neurotransmitter pathways helping you to think critically and broaden your thought processes - if you go BACK and even unwittingly listen or hear that WT jargon coming over the platform it WILL seep into those old pathways into your brain ; even a small amount might affect the way your mind operates. I know this might sound corny to you- but I'm serious. There's been a lot of research by scientists and sociologists on this so caution is the word here. Do you really want to put your mind jumping through all these hoops ? And what kind of message does it send to your adult daughter ? That possibly mom can't make her mind up ? I don't know - I agree with the others that there are other means to assist DFed ones you care about than playing the WT game of going back to meetings sitting with them to assist them to come back. I don't think it's a good idea- but it's your life and your decision. Just being honest and letting you know the dangers. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
who here have suffer from vertigo?
if so how did you combat it?
how long.
As Mrs. Flipper stated- we've both experienced it a couple times. I experienced it badly in 2004 and once again at our home in early 2012. My doctor told me that many times not only an inner ear infection can cause it but mostly from calcium deposits that can clog up your inner ear and block the nerve endings that send messages to your brain on when your eyes should move in harmony with your limbs or body, arms, walking, movement etc. It's like the messages get short circuited from your brain to your eyes due to the calcium blockages.
My doctor said it's not hereditary- just very random and can happen to ANYBODY. About the only thing you can do my friend is what you are doing. Take Dramamine or motion sickness pills from the doctor, do the exercises you find on the internet for your head. I found some to where I'd sit real still and tilt my head upward looking to the left- then gradually move your eyes to the right very slowly. Then back again while sitting still. Can't remember exactly but look it up on the Internet. And give yourself about 10 days or so to fully lose the dizziness. The first few days- get somebody else to drive for you because your vision gets REALLY screwed up- everything is spinning like you're on a fucking acid trip or something. Not to mention the nausea and vomiting.
I feel for you man, it is REALLY a rough thing to deal with. Thankfully it's only temporary but you've had some good advice from folks so far- just take care and take things slow. Hang in there friend, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
who here have suffer from vertigo?
if so how did you combat it?
how long.
Flipper and I have both had it and it was bad. To the point of not being able to move without throwing up.
Only for a day if I recall, but miserable.
The exercises help. Mrs. F
soliciting any and all opinions.
as some of you may know, wife is full in pioneer.
my fade has gone from us fighting.
FREEMINDFADE- Hey my friend, sorry you're having to deal with this. It's the shits for sure. I want you to know that I'm always here for you if you want to talk. I mean that sincerely, not just an off handed remark. Been there, done that with a fanatic JW ex-wife I had for 19 years. And as you know there are lots of good folks on the board here who are dealing with the same situation you are - Kairos & On The Way Out - are a couple of my good buddy's who have still in JW wives. I suggest PMing some of these guys and getting their feedback and advice to see how they have been able to hold it together with their spouses up to this point.
That being said on the other side of the coin my friend it comes down to you internally. What are YOU able to deal with in a personal way looking at the possible long term solutions ? You have to be honest with yourself first - before you can be honest with your wife. How deeply are you two connected ? Is it ONLY the JW cult that keeps you together ? Or are there other interests and values in life that the two of you share in common outside the mindset of JW land ? That may determine to some extent how long your relationship will last with your wife. You know- there are no guarantees in this life - except death and taxes. The only thing we can do is put together all the information we have at our access and make intelligent, informed decisions that will do the greatest good for your life and her life. Are you and your wife in love enough to be able to OVERCOME the JW and WT intrusion into your free will and free thinking mind ? And the other variable is this : will your wife chill to some extent and ALLOW you to co-exist with her while still maintaining your free will ? Only YOU know the answers to some of these questions and only you can make that decision. Things may work well with your wife- it may not. As you stated you are prepared for the worst and I agree it's good to be ready just in case that happens.
Someone mentioned earlier having a social safety net to fall into if things turn south and go badly. I feel having good friends as a safety net is HUGE. You and I know some similar people who are close to us so avail yourself of those friendships. The ones who will give you UNCONDITIONAL support are the ones who are truly your friends. If things turn badly- don't be surprised if some of those " still in " JW friends turn their backs on you. Myself and others here have experienced that big time. But you have a lot of support here as well. Please avail yourself of that- people who care and who have been through the mill themselves.
Since you are an outgoing person my suggestion also is to try contacting ex-JW's in your area that you might befriend or get to know. Or even try getting a mini- apostafest going in your area to meet people who may support you. I wish you were out here at South Lake Tahoe to meet our 48 who had a kick ass time at Tahoe this weekend. It would have really been a big help to you and support. But hang in there kiddo, you have our love and understanding , any time you want to call me, please do, Peace out, your friend Flipper.
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