Posts by flipper

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WT October 15, 2015 - Don't believe Apostate Lies

by Designer Stubble in

the last article in this new wt, shows me that the organization is dealing with much information that is damaging them.

i am sure that the many recent lawsuits are being noticed by the r&f.. here are some gems from that article, titled the naive person believes every word.

we must be very selective about what we consider worthy of our attention.

flipper

This kind of mind fucki%g that the WT Society is doing towards it's JW members is more dangerous than any of us probably really realize. I mean- think about it. Jim Jones, David Koresh, Adolf Hitler , Charles Manson - essentially ALL of them cult leaders used this kind of misinformation and thought control to disengage any critical thinking ability within their followers and to gain the " trust " of their followers to look at ANY outside information or outsiders as threatening to their cause . They used the " Stockholm Syndrome " to the hilt- extremely so.

Read this quote again from the October article in the opening thread, " And what should you do if you find slanderous news about Jehovah's organization on the Internet ? Such material should be firmly rejected....... " . Translation : Anything you find on the Internet speaking negatively towards the WT organization are all lies and should be firmly rejected. So WT leaders are CONDITIONING JW's to believe that ANYTHING on the Internet against the WT Society is to be dismissed. Even CRIMINAL ACCUSATIONS. So WT Society is amping up it's efforts to make JW's complicit with them in their views on criminal child abuse policies, no blood transfusions, whereby if articles come out condemning WT Society for crimes - the Stockholm Syndrome will be in full effect on rank & file JW's brains making them sympathizing with the WT Society's criminality. That is scary shit.

Also analyze THIS quote, " Above all, love refuses to believe malevolent insinuations about Jehovah's organization or lies about our brothers that are circulated by people who are slaves to " the father of the lie ", Satan the Devil. " Translation : You as Jehovah's people need to show your " love " for the GB and WT leaders and not believe even criminal accusations or ANY negative news as all sources being negative against the WT Society are inspired by Satan the Devil. It couldn't POSSIBLY be true ! So once again- this is a total THOUGHT STOPPING process by the GB and WT leaders to control JW's brains to not even SUSPECT that the WT Society would be doing anything criminal or unethical. And once again the Stockholm Syndrome takes over where rank & file JW's identify with their captors WT leaders and turn off their minds and hand them over on a silver platter to the GB and WT leaders. Very scary stuff .

Now all WT leaders will need to do is tell JW's to jump off a cliff for Jehovah- and they won't think twice about it. If any of us have JW relatives still in I feel sorry for us- especially if our relatives are still fanatics in the JW cult. WT leaders are playing hardball here folks- responding to the child abuse heat, blood transfusion media heat, and the general Internet heat exposing WT organization corruption. This means , in my opinion, we need to amp up our efforts. The ploy by WT officials is to get us to back down psychologically in our efforts at exposing them due to fear of how WE will be perceived. Do you see the insidiousness of this WT article ? F em' - we need to keep exposing the WT Society for the crotch itch that it is

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Has this latest Candace Conti Update been Looked At? Settlement Reached?

by OnTheWayOut in

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http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=s226656.

supreme court.

change court supreme district 1 district 2 district 3 district 4 div 1 district 4 div 2 district 4 div 3 district 5 district 6 .

flipper

Thanks for posting this OTWO. If anybody has more info who is close to this case ; please supply it here, O.K. ?

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What is God Asking Back of You?

by berrygerry in

this was going through my mind last night.. reviewing 2 key scriptures - james 1:27 - orphans and widows.

and micah 6:8 - what is god asking back?.

so, i start looking for this verse on www.biblehub.com, but every translation says "requires.".

flipper

God isn't asking me anything. He's either asleep or non-existent

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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse

by flipper in

so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.

this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.

so today the gloves came off.

flipper

I saw this thread had been bumped up so thought I'd respond. Thanks for your comments.

PEPPERHEART- Throwing their books into the trash works as well. It is hard to approach them sometimes, but I had seen them there at the park so many times- I just had to take the opportunity to talk to them.

PUNK of NICE- Thanks Punk- That older elder was a real tool. He was definitely trying to dominate the JW ladies standing there. I called him on it- but it just hardened his stance even more. I can't believe he actually used the word " shit " to me- a householder - when he said while throwing away my news releases, " this is where THIS shit belongs in the garbage. " His exact words. Nice " witness " for Jehovah , eh ? LOL

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Jehovah's Witness woman refuses blood, then dies.

by Lee Elder in

another jehovah's witness woman has died while giving birth due to massive blood loss and refusing a blood transfusion.

she leaves nine children behind.

she finally consented to the transfusion but it was too late to save her.

flipper

I'm going to make copies of this news printout and give it to the JW cart people in my home town. They need to read this

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"We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

by cofty in

the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

flipper

BALLISTIC- Your view, " part of it is to realize that WE ARE ALL USELESS SINNERS and capable of MANY HORRENDOUS THINGS under certain circumstances. "

Speak for yourself. I am NOT a " useless sinner " . I am NOT " capable of MANY HORRENDOUS THINGS under certain circumstances. "

You are insinuating that most humans are bad or have ill motives or subscribe to the " original sin " theory of Adam and Eve. I think that view is bullshit. And I'll prove it to you.

When babies are born into the world and you get small children together- most times these children are VERY accepting towards any race, color, or creed of people without prejudices. It's not until the ADULTS in these children's various family chains start teaching children their own prejudiced views that children start forming prejudiced views. Before they are influenced by the adults - children couldn't care less if a person is yellow, purple, red, black , or green.

It is NOT inherited sin that is within these adults generation after generation spanning hundreds of years in which they teach their children to have the same warped prejudiced views that they have- it is warped , twisted, unjust minds based on prejudiced views of their ancestors and forefathers handed down to them that keeps the flames of racial prejudice alive causing nutcases to go berserk like this guy did in South Carolina. When he was born he probably didn't have ANY views formed yet- not until he started reading and being influenced by those around him. So don't give me that born-in " useless " sin and imperfection crap. It's just an excuse religionists use to excuse bad behavior and not take responsibility for wrongs committed.

The only thing that will change prejudiced attitudes is that people individually start making a positive difference in their homes teaching children acceptance, make a difference in their communities speaking positively about racial equality and show it by positive actions. To make excuses for insane murderers is insanity in itself

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"We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

by cofty in

the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

flipper

This reminds me in a smaller way of my elder dad always making excuses for the unjust decisions elders make through the years and telling me after I left the JW cult, " Well Flipper, in time Jehovah will take care of those elders who hurt you , they are imperfect and made mistakes - he will judge them as unfit and will destroy them at Armageddon. " And I would tell my dad, " No He won't. Elders will keep doing this to people as they will never answer for their crimes so they don't deserve forgiveness. "

To me it compares with religionists saying about this white supremacist murderer, " Well, we need to forgive him as he was mentally unfit and it's important to stay positive instead of resentful. " And I'm like WTF ? It's NOT more important to stay positive about a person who assassinated 9 people and ripped their families, friends, and children's lives apart. In fact- it's insanity to forgive someone like that who deserves to be killed himself for what he did. To show forgiveness to a piece of crap human like that is showing disrespect for the dead people he killed.

The same way that " forgiving " or overlooking WT Society injustices and elders injustices is not a good thing either. Until our society starts changing it's prejudiced attitudes that are passed on from one generation to the next within families either in Southern States or anywhere else- more hate crimes like this will occur. It's NOT something that religionists will fix by just saying they " forgive " some wacked out murderer. It's not something that will just " go away " or not happen again. Ridiculous, the problems are much deeper , more systemic than that. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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The Weed AMONG the wheat ..NOT.."the weed overgrowed the wheat" Misunderstood parabel about anointed and about Gods patience

by TheWonderofYou in

referring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 ce - 1900 ce are discussed, and the parabel of the weed among the wheat, i found out that it is not necessary at all that a "slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting.

the slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for jesus judgement.basis: .

tim310rd wrote: this goes along with the 2013 wt that changed the definition of the fdsl.

flipper

I wish there WAS " weed " available among the wheat when we used to attend meetings. Would have made meetings much more tolerable

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My dear old Dad's (RIP) observation

by punkofnice in

my dear old dad was the po of a congregation.

he had been in the british marines during ww2.. one jolly day we were in the coach park at twickenham convention.. dad was watching the brothers and sisters getting off the coaches.. he looked at me and said quite pained: 'they all look like loonies.'.

i kid you not..

flipper

PUNK- At least your elder dad could occasionally slip into his non-cult personality- my dad was a P.O. and City Overseer for 35 years and never ONCE did I ever see him come out of the cult personality or cult mode- ever. He was the stuffiest, most feared elder in our town. People walked in terror of him - but not me - I saw through his veneer. One reason he didn't like me and we never got along. He's still alive, almost 90 years old now- and I still really do not know the man himself after all these years. I,m closer to my mom as she is a sweet woman who accepts my exiting the Witnesses.

Hang in there Punk, we are all survivors bro. I was born and raised in the WT filth as well and after exiting at age 44 almost 12 years ago I've washed myself clean of it. But it takes time to get over some of the stuff, Some of it we may never get over- but we just have to move ahead , play our music and live each day to the fullest like it's our last ! And make and treasure new friends who accept us for who we are as beautiful people. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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How do you manage to keep JW friendships after you left the organization?

by Bonsai in

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it seems incredibly difficult.

those who leave the org.

(or fade) no longer have anything in common with jehovah's witnesses, nor do they want to stick around to get radiated by the fear and guilt that saturates every aspect of a witnesses' life.. i've lost all but one of my jw friends quite simply because i can no longer condone the evil things that they condone.

flipper

BONSAI- I haven't kept ANY of my JW former friends. They have been told so many rumors about me without even verifying anything with me- that they stay away from me out of fear. Who needs conditional friends like that who are going to judge you without even giving you a chance to explain yourself ? I sure don't.

My real friends , ex-Witnesses and non-JW's accept me and understand me for who and what I am as a real human being who accepts and loves other people and not a JW who is instructed to hate. My older 88 year old JW mom is about the ONLY JW who accepts me for who I am without judgment. She's respectful of my beliefs and does not condemn me for exiting the Witnesses. She knows I had good reasons for leaving almost 12 years ago. We still have a great relationship.

My advice to you is pursue relationships with people who are going to accept you for who you are and what you believe without judgment- if that means letting go of your JW friends- then that may be what you have to do in order to have more peace of mind in your life. I know I have much more peace of mind without judgmental people running around me calling me up constantly telling me how deficient I am. My 2 cents