i read a comment on another thread that made me think of this topic.. how many catchphrases are used by the gb and organisation in an attempt to control or gain power or prevent questioning?
feel free to list as many as you can think of!.
i'll start:.
" the brothers and sisters "
" a privileged people "
" a people for special possession "
" The friends "
" the truth "
" new light "
" Jehovah's progressive organization "
" Governing Body appointed by holy spirit "
" elders appointed by holy spirit "
Those are some I can think of off the top of my head that cause JW's not to question anything, it affects their mind, emotions, relationships- everything
does anyone know where i can find numbers of how many child abuse cases have been brought against jws or settled out of court?.
i know that 1 is too many and statistics don't reflect the horror suffered, but i would like some numbers to use when explaining to others the reasons for my decreased activity and to have support for my reasons for 'stumbling', facts which might make others think too.. im from uk so it helps that the charities commission is investigating there and also there's a paedophiles exposed website which names 32 jws convicted in uk since 2012, horrifying!
http://ukpaedos-exposed.com.
There were 16 out of court child abuse cases settled out of court in California in 2007 alone and the attorney Irwin Zalkin from what I understand has at least 20 or more child abuse lawsuits going right now against the WT Society. There are also about 7 cases I am aware of going against the WT Society in Texas it was mentioned in the last 6 months here on the board. With the ones that you mentioned in Great Britain- it's no stretch of the imagination that over 100 or more of these WT child abuse cases are going on throughout the entire world right now. And yes- WT Society in the United States does have a list of about 23,000 known JW pedophiles on their database list. A list that they REFUSED to hand over to the courts in San Diego, CA. which cost them 13.5 million $$$$ in lawsuits in favor of Gilbert Lopez a JW child abuse victim.
WT leaders are arrogant they feel the laws of the land do NOT apply to them , but they are starting to get a rude awakening to reality these last couple years. The more stubborn WT leaders choose not to cooperate with police and laws of the land it will only get them more negative attention in the media which in turn may start turning even more JW's into exiting the JW organization
i just wanted to introduce myself and say a big hello to all of my mentally diseased friends.. i say friends because i have been lurking for some time so it feels like home (us lurkers are a bit scared and cautious so it takes a while).
i won't bore you with too many details, but i am a born in, currently serving as the cobe of a congregation.
my wife and i have pioneered for the last 10 years and were shaken awake by that ridiculous 15th july 2013 wt about the generation and 1914.. my wife who is much smarter than me has questioned for years.
the cobe of the local kingdom hall never paid my ex-wife for the work done because they promised they would use "trade" to reimburse close to $5000 worth of work.
as you can imagine nobody here would like him because he believes all the pedophiles can change their ways after the child sex offenders have proved their humility by bowing before the judicial committees.
this is how honest jehovah's witnesses are, they changed her work from a 1200 sq.
PW2, I wouldn't bother calling Bethel. If turning these clowns in would prevent them ripping off more people I would do it.
I called Bethel a few years back when a coddled-by-elders ex-con pedophile followed my friend in his car. (She was more angry than afraid and drove straight to the house of one of the pedo's elder buddies)
I told them I was afraid for her safety, that I'd never been a witness and was several states away. I laid out the criminal leanings of some of these elders and that it's well known that pedophiles don't change.
The jerk at Bethel sounded like a damned robot " It will be looked into." Basically not interested.
Are you in Washington state? This sounds just like that congregation. I hate to think there's another one as bad, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Mrs. Flipper
i know there's another thread about this specially talented musician's passing- but this guy was a torch carrier from the old bluesmen like muddy waters, howlin wolf, john lee hooker, and lightnin' hopkins who made chuck berry millions of $$$$$$ and collaborated with rock n rollers like bono of u2 .
these old bluesmen from the 1940's deserve all the credit for the babv that the blues ended up giving birth to- rock and roll music.
any comments are appreciated and welcome for b.b., music, or the blues in general pour your heart out.
B.B. My dear friend rest in peace brother. 89 years of living, feeling, sweating, and playing the blues. What a privilege it was when I saw B.B. perform live in concert back in 2002. I'll never forget it- he was on the bill with another Legend - Buddy Guy.
B.B. is one of the last remaining late 1940's blues artists that was performing up to the last year. I rank his influence right up there with Muddy Waters, Howlin Wolf, and John Lee Hooker which really became the connectors as ambassadors of the blues connecting them to the eventual Little Richard which borrowed heavily from artists like B.B. King and the other great bluesmen. Which became rock n roll. Rest B.B. rest in peace. Peace out, mr. Flipper
allow me to begin with a clarification: when i say i am one of jehovah's witnesses, i don't mean that i am an advocate of the watchtower society or a devotee of some of its more controversial false teachings.
i mean that i am a christian, a disciple of jesus christ dedicated to jehovah god, and who remains in union with my brothers and sisters who make up the family of faith that globally refers to itself as jehovah's witnesses.
some totally understand the distinction between the family of brothers and sisters and the corporate organization known as the watchtower society (wts).
I'm not even going waste my time in trying to reason with you because on other threads you've shown yourself too prideful to accept the majority of people's opinions here on this board. So I will just say that you are deluding yourself. If you continue claiming to be a Jehovah's Witness - you are STILL mind controlled by the WT Society no matter WHAT you claim. Because in order to have an air of " respectability " among your JW " brothers " and " sisters " ( as you call them ) you still have to obey and go along with WT Society rules or you'll be kicked out of the organization. You turn time in ? You're still controlled by the WT Society. You attend meetings. You're still controlled by the WT Society. You sing songs at meetings ? You are still controlled by the WT Society. You watch cartoons at the kingdom hall ? WT Society produced the cartoons seeping into your mind. You answer at meetings ? You are still controlled by the WT game. If you are sitting at a kingdom hall- the mind controlled WT rhetoric WILL enter into your mind.
You are just in denial about the fact that you are still supporting the WT Society. You will be a indecisive person the rest of your life unless you give your mind and emotions a break to not support a criminal organization like WT Society. Otherwise- you are guilty by way of association
all that i can say is....what a shame!
Having been born and raised up in the JW's from birth - naturally - I have a lot of resentment towards the leaders of this organization and how they suck the life and opportunities for personal growth out of people's lives. Mine included until 2003 when I exited at age 44.
That being said my views are similar to Freemindfade- I'm not going to waste my life living in the past. I have pursued many fantastic new interests since leaving in 2003 with playing music, learned guitar and recording of songs I've written and I enjoy playing music with my son as well. My wife and I grow an organic vegetable garden and fruit garden cultivating our own food. Enjoy hiking in the woods on backpacking trips, photography , and I enjoy getting to meet new and interesting non-JW's and many ex-JW's on this board who have become great friends through the last 8 years or so. There is so much to enjoy in life when we cherish our freedom of mind and free unencumbered thinking ability. Being able to read so many non-WT books has been great as it really has enlightened me towards the real world outside of JW land.
I live in the here and now every day. WT Society robbed enough of my years from me- I'm not going to let them take the rest of those years away. We are survivors of having been in a mind control cult, we should be proud that we escaped and have moved on with our lives. We are the lucky ones. The ones still trapped inside are the unfortunate ones. Not us. Kind of my world view in a nutshell
i have a pretty good intuition but i have to admit i am going back and forth on the jw tv may broadcast.
i keep asking myself are they really in financial trouble (wishful thinking) or are they just grabbing for more money?.
i always appreciate reading everyone's thoughts and ideas on here.. let me know what you think.
i've just signed up two days ago, but i've been lurking for about a year and a half.
here's my story if you're interested:.
my parents converted when they were in their first semester of college.
