Posts by flipper

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Thoughts on "Going Clear," the Scientology Documentary

by OnTheWayOut in

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i managed to find a copy of "going clear" on the internet.

i won't post a link because most are loaded with pop-ups and you have to be careful about accidental downloads.

mine was no exception, but i managed to keep the computer clean.

flipper

OTWO- My wife and I watched all 2 hours of it on you tube. I thought the producers of this show did an excellent job of exposing Scientology, right down to the violence of the leader David Miscavige who beat his followers. One of the men interviewed even admitted it and talked about the other abuses and violence he eye witnessed. One man mopping up a restroom floor with your tongue as a punishment ? Disgusting. One lady having to clean restroom toilets with a toothbrush as discipline or punishment ? Disgusting again. Scientology is an abusive cult- a criminal organization - like the Jehovah's Witnesses and WT Society in which both organizations take ADVANTAGE of their members unsuspecting nature due to the indoctrination and mind control. Then both of these cults USE this " mind raping " as a technique to financially rape their members as well throughout their lives without members getting ANYTHING out of it. The cults get richer, the members get poorer.

Exposure of these abuses is the best thing to happen. Fortunately lots of these celebrities who were former members came out as a force to reckon with and exposed Scientology in public. Now if we can only get former JW celebrities to do the same to the WT Society it might wake up the public to the many ways the WT Society is abusing it's members. Peace out, mr. Flipper

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These guys crash a Kingdom Hall on Memorial, video included

by Crazyguy in

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7mars2mtaui.

to funny nice job....

flipper

This was a really, really, really stupid thing to do for these ex-JW's ( I'm assuming they are ex-JW's ) . By proclaiming to the audience as he walks out of the kingdom hall to check HIM out on Facebook all he does is paint himself as the second coming of Christ so people will turn to him for answers. What a freaking nutcase. And a pompous egotist. The JW's will just look at him as another apostate causing trouble, and these are the kind of ex-JW's that cause us sane ex-JW's to get negative feedback from practicing JW's because they're so extreme in their behavior. You could see the JW's there were just trying to ignore him. It accomplished nothing in a positive way. Just reinforces JW's view that we ex-JW's are allegedly " mentally diseased ". Peace out, mr. Flipper

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Fill in the blanks on JW Memorial history

by kairos in

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sorry if this has been covered, i am not able to access the search function since the new site version.. the topic:when did jws start observing instead of partaking?.

i'm embarrassed to admit i don't know this.. i would guess in the early 30's when the little flock/great crowd/we're jw's doctrines were implemented.. please include references to the publications in your answers!.

( did that sound like a desperate plea for comments on the service meeting?

flipper

----------------------,------------------------,----------------------- . There is nothing to fill in the blanks with, it's a mindless cult. Peace out, mr. Flipper

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Oregon, Hillsboro Tribune, Article: Jehovah's Witness sex abuse case in feds' hands

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.pamplinmedia.com/ht/117-hillsboro-tribune-news/255785-125363-jehovahs-witness-sex-abuse-case-in-feds-hands.

lawsuit seeks $10.5 million from hillsboro church, watchtower society .

attorneys for a 40-year-old woman and a 38-year-old man who say they were sexually abused nearly 30 years ago by a church elder in hillsboro want to have a lawsuit filed by the pair last fall placed back in state court jurisdiction.

flipper

VIDIOT- Really some great points you bring out , kind of how I'm seeing it.

VILLAGE IDIOT- I do know that the attorneys Zalkin and Conti's attorney Rick Simons have been working together on some details of their respective cases against the WT Society, so I'm sure they compare notes and keep each other up to date regarding the WT Society's moves they make

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Oregon, Hillsboro Tribune, Article: Jehovah's Witness sex abuse case in feds' hands

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.pamplinmedia.com/ht/117-hillsboro-tribune-news/255785-125363-jehovahs-witness-sex-abuse-case-in-feds-hands.

lawsuit seeks $10.5 million from hillsboro church, watchtower society .

attorneys for a 40-year-old woman and a 38-year-old man who say they were sexually abused nearly 30 years ago by a church elder in hillsboro want to have a lawsuit filed by the pair last fall placed back in state court jurisdiction.

flipper

Village Idiot stated, " all they have to do would be to deny such papers exist . " And that is where the WT Society already has blown it- because in Richard Ashe's court deposition for the WT Society he already admitted under oath that the WT Society HAS a file stored in their computer network of the pedophiles within the JW organization. And that's legal testimony recorded in court with the court recorder. So the cat's out of the bag so to speak - WT cannot deny they have it, they've already admitted to it in court. It's just a matter of time when the WT Society will be FORCED to hand over those documents. It's game on- already

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Here at last, My JC letter. No response but heard thru the grapevine that I was DA'd anyways.

by Question_Mans_interpretation in

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hello all, i finally got around to posting my letter to my judicial committee meeting requests.

sorry its kind of long, it came to 4 pages because of the special meeting requests.

tuesday january 28, 2014.

flipper

QUESTION_MANS_INTERPRETATION- Very good letter you wrote to the elders. Good job. I'm glad to hear that you and hubby have extracted yourself from this criminal organization. I wish you all the best. Treasure your freedom of mind

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Were you or someone you know sexually molested by a Jehovah's Witness ?

by flipper in

due to the fact there are about 27,000 members of this religion that are known pedophiles, and the information about it is kept in a secret database file, i wonder how many lurking jw's as well as others are aware of the severity of this problem?

remember, it's 27,000 pedophiles that they know about.

what about the thousands that don't get caught?

flipper

BROKEBACK WATCHTOWER- I totally agree with you. WT Society is running scared right now because they know if the courts force them to hand over the child abuse documents or pedophile database- the ballgame may be over. Especially if the federal government gets involved- which it may come to in Supreme Court in time. The more obstinate and arrogant WT leaders continue to be they are digging their own grave for the JW organization. As you state it's one of the reasons they are selling off a lot of property AND doing a financial takeover of all the kingdom halls. They are desperate because they know the jig is up, they are getting exposed as the criminal organization that they are. Peace out, mr. Flipper

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Every Governing Body Decision is from Jehovah

by B4Right in

how do you convince a jw that every decision that comes from the governing body is not from god?.

my mom who is a pioneer said that the students are getting their work book a month early, then proceeded to say " jehovah knows what we need".. for you who now know ttat what did it take for you?.

flipper

B4RIGHT- Ask your mom if it's " Jehovah " guiding the governing body by holy spirit to NOT allow Gerrit Losch to testify in courts about WT child abuse allegations in San Diego ? Ask her if it's " Jehovah's holy spirit " that's guiding the governing body to refuse a court order to release WT documents about 24,000 pedophiles in their organization who are molesting children which the WT Society knows about ? Ask her if it's " Jehovah " who instructs elders to stand in contempt of court by refusing to disclose and share those documents to " Caesars authorities " ? You know - " God's things to God " and " pay back " Caesars things to Caesar " ? Might get her thinking ! Might cause her some cognizant dissonance as well- but that's a good thing because it will get her thinking that the GB DOEs things on it's own apart from " Jehovah's " instruction. Good luck. Peace out, mr. Flipper

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Embarrassing relatives.

by Xanthippe in

my cousin phoned yesterday to tell me my jw sister sent her a sympathy card for her husband's death and tucked inside there was something else, she lowered her voice.

what was it i wondered?

a nice letter, pictures of her new grandchild (she lives many miles away)?

flipper

XANTHIPPE- I know exactly what you're talking about. I could SO relate to your question, " Do you sometimes look at your siblings still in and wonder if you were adopted " ?

Oh yes indeed that thought has crossed my mind ! My older JW siblings are 67, 65, and 64 years old - ALL 3 of them still fully stuck in the JW mind control and totally unaccepting towards me or most anything going on in my life as I stopped attending 11 years ago at age 44, I'm 55 now. They are stranger than a seven dollar bill believe me.

I'm sorry that your cousin and you are having to deal with these relatives at funerals. I am NOT looking forward to going to my JW mom or dad's funeral when it happens - but by gawd- I won't allow my siblings or anybody else to come up to me to try to " comfort" me with a " pretend " resurrection hope or I'll verbally knock their blocks off. I just have no tolerance for these people not mourning the proper way and making themselves appear almost giddy at JW funerals.

I feel the same way you do- my siblings have shunned me all these years - even WHEN I was in the cult they didn't have much to do with me and after my folks die, THEN they'd show me caring ? It will really have me wondering , " what's the angle or motive " ? And we KNOW the angle- it's to " try and save our souls from destruction and get us back to meetings . " Uh-huh. Ain't gonna happen with this boy. Good luck to you Xanthippe

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Well...I blew it

by Garrett in

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(follow up to my last post).

i let it rip.

i can't take stupidity from people i thought were capable of using their brain.

flipper

GARRETT- I totally understand. I had been out of the JW cult since 2003 and when I found out that the WT child abuse problem in 2006 or 2007 was much bigger than I had even known- I was infuriated. I wanted to tell everybody I knew about it- which I did, especially my daughters who were in their early 20's as JW's then. I got similar responses you did. Now I pick and choose who to tell this to- mainly JW's in my area and non-JW's who don't know me.

But it's good that you tried telling her, it helps you to see a little more about how mind controlled she is. Don't apologize for getting angry about it- you have a right to be angry , especially after what you experienced personally. Hang in there guy. We are with you