GRREAT TEACHER- Good point you make ! Maybe Sister Talkative WILL do some research after brother Vitriolic Skinny grandpa elder has gone to sleep for the night. One can only hope. I know some of my points got through to Sister Talkative. And who knows ? Perhaps some of my points got through to Sister " Silent as a Church Mouse " who kept quiet through the whole discussion ! She let the other two do all the talking and she looked at me with a concerned look of amazement that I was revealing this information . So who knows what was going through HER mind ? Perhaps she will research also
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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse
by flipper inso i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.
this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.
so today the gloves came off.
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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse
by flipper inso i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.
this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.
so today the gloves came off.
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Thanks for the responses. My apologies for the length of this thread- but the discussion lasted about a half hour - so a lot went down today .
COFTY- Hey thanks. Well- I tried to be as civil as I could without losing my cool . I feel I kept it together- but " Chief skinny grandpa elder " was getting under my skin after about 30 minutes. Don't think I could have lasted much longer, as I had served my purpose. I tempered my comments with being firm, but ethical trying to keep dignified towards him , at least more dignified than he was towards me ! LOL !
SPARROWDOWN- Thanks. Isn't it amazing how these JW's just bury their heads in the sand like ostriches ? As you say- it truly IS scary how deluded and closed minded they are. This experience was evidence of that.
NEVERENDINGJOURNEY- Indeed you make good points. JW's can run away from confrontation if they come to people's doors, but when they are manning ( or womanning ) the JW cart- it would take too long to break down the cart and run away ! LOL. Hey- All I wanted to do was get my message out with the least amount of confrontation. I knew beforehand there WOULD be confrontation- but I thought I'd be able to deal with it when it came. I think the message got out.
TRUTHSEEKIAM- Hey thanks. I truly believe the cognizant dissonance is working overtime within JW ranks now as well. I agree. My motive also was to make it as energetic an experience for these 3 JW's so that they will SHARE this experience with other JW's back in their local congregations so that the subject of WT child abuse will at least be on their lips and in their conversations. You know how JW's love to run the rumor mill and gossip ! LOL. We shall see what happens
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Is there a Child Molester on the Governing Body?
by TTATTelder ingreat report by abc on the abuses in jw-dot-org land.... i hope it opens a "floodgate" of future news reports and exposes.
if you ask yourself, "why hasn't the watchtower leadership changed their policy on the 2 witness rule?
if one or more persons on the gb has victims out there that can't come forward because of the 2 witness rule, then that would explain the permanent road block to policy change that is obviously in place.
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Well, we just don't know for sure- do we ? There was a lot of information that got out about Greenlees , Chitty, and Jaracz while they were alive. That allegedly they had committed child abuse. I've talked to some ex- Bethelites who knew some of the principals involved who informed them of truth regarding some of these accusations. That being said- these GB members are all dead now.
Although most probably the GB members now have not committed child abuse - that doesn't mean that other higher ups in the JW organization have NOT committed child abuse. WT Society is hiding this Database file for reasons they will not open up about. And if it has 24,000 names on it of pedophiles or people with child abuse crime history- there may be a good chance WT higher ups are on that list. Since the WT Society is remaining arrogant and refusing to hand over court requested child abuse documentation and refusing to even let a current GB member testify - it certainly leads one to believe they are hiding something that would REALLY incriminate them big time. I guess we won't really know until some power higher and more authoritative than the WT Society forces them to cough up this information. Meanwhile, we all wait with baited breath
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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse
by flipper inso i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.
this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.
so today the gloves came off.
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O.K. So I had about had enough of reading JW's excuses online about WT child abuse and the Candace Conti Nightline ABC video about her case. This is a really deep burning topic to me as I'm sure it is to many of you. So today the gloves came off. I took the law into my own hands.
For weeks the JW cart people have been sitting in a little noticeable park area in our little town right near the highway entry on the main street in town. Their sign was up as I was on my way home from work and I was armed with News printouts about the Conti, Lopez, and Oregon ex-JW's child abuse WT lawsuits with informative articles from major news outlets.
I approached and saw 3 middle aged JW's ages about late 50's to late 60's sitting there watching the JW cart about 10 feet away. Two ladies and one man . I took a Memorial invitation off the rack and one of the ladies ( more talkative than the other ) approached me and gave me a magazine. I asked her, " Who are you with again " ? She said, " We are Jehovah's Witnesses ". I said, " Oh, I see . I have some relatives that are Jehovah's Witnesses. I'm curious, can I ask the 3 of you a question ? I' ve asked my JW relatives these questions and I have some real concerns or worries about some issues I've seen and heard of recently ! " So I go stand in front of all 3 of them.
I immediately share information about the ABC Nightline news report about Candace Conti ( remember I'm still standing there with WT literature in my hands ) and tell them the story of how the elders in their church apparently knew Kendrick was a child molester before but assigned him out into door knocking with Candace Conti anyway when she was a girl. The talkative JW lady immediately interrupts me and states , " Oh no ! THAT would never happen ! Our organization disfellowships child molesters. " She continued, " In fact I know of one JW child molester who served time in prison and got reinstated and the elders make him listen on the telephone to the meetings. He's not allowed to even come to the Kingdom Hall ! " I commended her elders saying, " Well that's good that your elders DO that to protect the children- however- that isn't practiced everywhere. In Kendrick's case with Conti the elders KNEW beforehand that he had molested his wife's granddaughter and they STILL allowed him to go out door knocking with her. " I continued, " And in these 3 child abuse news releases it talks of OTHER child abuse victims who were molested by elders who were appointed in SPITE of the elders and WT Society knowing these elders had previously committed child abuse. " Talkative sister " had a stunned look on her face. I had just apparently fired a shot across the bow.
I tell " Talkative Sister " that I'd like to leave these 3 news printouts with her to give her information and " skinny elder brother " ( who I think is her husband and an elder ) speaks up loudly to her as she is reaching out to take my news releases, he says, " Don't take that information from him - it's Apostate ! " I tell him , " What do you mean by " apostate " ? This information is from major news releases on the Internet . " " Talkative sister " interrupts her husband and says , " I'd like to read this because I want to be informed about WHAT is going on and being said about Jehovah's Witnesses ! " So " skinny hubby grandpa elder " sits back down and pipes down - although I can SEE him simmering like a percolating coffee pot !
All the while I'm keeping my composure and staying calm trying not to trigger these people. As " talkative sister " thumbs through the news releases she states , " THERE you have a clue right in the title of the article it says " FORMER Jehovah's Witness charges WT Society with child abuse. " She continued, " Well THAT explains everything. Candace Conti is a FORMER JW who has an axe to grind with the WT Society and she's probably been disfellowshipped and is seeking revenge against the organization ! " So I immediately ask her, " So are you telling me that if she was a CURRENT Jehovah's Witness being molested you'd be more apt to believe it ? Are you questioning her truthfulness and her motives because she is a FORMER JW ? " Talkative Sister starts backpedaling a bit saying, " Well- I haven't READ the article so I don't really know her motives but why would she wait so long as an adult to do something about it ? " I state, " Because she saw on Megan's list that Kendrick HAD molested another child AFTER her and he was still committing child abuse in her former congregation. So Candace felt guilty about this and wanted to protect other children from harm. " I continued, " You'll see this if you read the article. "
The " Talkative Sister " says , " Well , I will look it up online when I get home and research it Because I really want to know. " I told her that we cannot ASSUME somebody is untrustworthy JUST because they are NOT Jehovah's Witnesses. Dishonesty happens with people of ALL ilk and faith. I briefly explained that my JW father who is an elder warehoused my JW mom into a shoddy care facility trying to commit welfare fraud as my mom had $ 340,000 in the bank and had the right to an A+ rated facility - but my JW dad and older brother TRIED putting her in a welfare facility and when the authorities got involved - only THEN did my dad and brother put her into a better care facility. I continued, " Point I'm making is Jehovah's Witnesses CAN be dishonest just like you are saying any non-JW can be dishonest , people are people and you have to take each situation as it comes. "
At this point as Sister Talkative tried to hand back the News releases to me- " skinny husband grandpa elder " JUMPS UP off his bench and GRABS the news releases and throws them into the trash ! LOL. He says, " THAT is where this APOSTATE literature deserves to be ! It's just BS that's all it is ! " I calmly said to him, " Sir, you are sure being hateful - I took your WT literature and am willing to look into it , why are you being so destructive towards my material ? " He says, " Because YOUR material CANNOT be trusted ! " I ask him, " How do you know that I can trust YOUR material - the WT material ? " He says, " Because it comes from the Bible ! " Then he says, " You are probably an apostate too ! " I said, " I've never been a Witness. "
So I finish by stating, " Look- I'm just trying to share concerns I had in the news with you. If you don't want to hear it, then that's your right, but then THIS is how I feel about YOUR material and message as well. " I walk over to the trash can and tear in half the Memorial invitation and WT magazine and throw it away. I walk away and say, " You have a good day- just keep ignoring the fact that child molesters are in your Jehovah's Witness congregations and keep letting them get harmed. I've informed you. "
It felt very empowering doing this and even though " older elder skinny grandpa " was vitriolic towards me- I feel that his wife WILL do some research on the child abuse. That's all I was trying to accomplish, Just get the word out and then perhaps JW's will start discussing it among themselves. I stayed respectful- but I did NOT let myself get run over either. Stood up for what I believe in. And that is about spreading the REAL truth. As always look forward to your comments, any suggestions you might have for next time if I do this again ( which I plan to do ) and observations. Take care, Peace and love to you all- a big Peace out ! Mr. Flipper
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Child Abuse Trials
by Garrett ini'm currently working something up to share with a few people.
i was wondering if anyone knew the current number (estimation) of child abuse cases that are going on (that we know about)?
i don't get much time to be on here right now but it seems that cases are sprouting everywhere.
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NAMBO- I'm so sorry that your nieces molester got off from not being prosecuted for his crime against her. Especially since it was her own father. Disgusting. That's why we need to shout about this WT child abuse stuff from the rooftops. I hope your niece gets support and counseling to help her through. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper -
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This ABC report I feel should be spread about far and wide to JW's and non-JW's. There are already over 900 comments on the ABC news report link to this. And I'm sure much talk on Facebook, Twitter, and the JW Talk website. Access to information is everything. Need to keep the ball rolling -
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Told my JW mother about the report on Nightline!
by truthseekeriam ineven though we have agreed to not speak religion, i thought this was something she would want to see, especially because she knows the struggles we have been through because of what happened to our daughter.
after watching it she actually agreed things need to change in their policy's and that the congregation should be warned.. she also said kendrick and his wife made fools of themselves.. i have a feeling more witnesses then not would agree with her....however, how they feel and what they do about it is two very different things.
they are completely powerless in their religion!
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TRUTHSEEKERIAM- Good for you in telling your JW mom about it. I've talked to my JW mom about the Conti, Lopez and Oregon JW child abuse cases recently and she says the same thing as your mom does, " WT Society needs to CHANGE their policies " and my mom at 87 years old has been a JW since 1951. It's a good thing when we can make these JW's aware of what's going on in their organization- because they won't hear anything over the platform about child abuse within their ranks. They'll only hear GB member Lett making excuses and saying it's " ridiculous " that apostates say that WT Society is putting children in danger.
On the way to work today I'm going into my little town and I'll be leaving WT child abuse news printouts with the JW's who stand by the JW cart doing their preaching. Going to let them know what's happening. People need to hear about this. Good job Truthseeker ! Keep the good work up
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ABCNews Nightline: Segment on JW absuse cases here......
by WingCommander inhere is the segment on the conti abuse case in california and jehovah's witness's response as reported on by the abcnews nightline broadcast which was shown early this morning.
it really displays some absolutely shocking behavior from not only her abuser and his (supportive) wife, but also the jw attorneys and elders via video.
i am just blown away by the audacity displayed by these monsters.. we can now understand why governing body member stephen lett slipped in his comments a couple of weeks ago about "untrue reports of child abuse" in one of his talks which can viewed on the cult's website.
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When in Doubt stated, " Should your readers then believe you to say the Catholic Church is safer, or the MORON'S , Amish, or any religion............ "
I didn't realize there's a religion called " Moron's ". Of course it's kind of how I see some organized religions as being anyway- so it might fit. ( I know you probably meant "Mormons " just having a little light humor here. ) Just joking. You make some good points child abuse is wrong wherever it comes from- any religions
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The most amazing thing about this Nightline report to me was the revealing of the absolutely arrogant and pompous attitudes of Kendrick and his wife. I mean- what the hell did they expect ? Crumpets with tea from the ABC news reporter for Christ's sakes ? It's like , " Yeah, I'm a child molester and this is my wife who is pissed off as hell that ABC is invading our privacy and because you are telling the truth and exposing me as a child molester- my wife is calling the police . " Dumb shits. They really think the cops will side with them? He's a freaking child molester ! I never cease to be amazed at the stupidity of sociopathic people -
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ABCNews Nightline: Segment on JW absuse cases here......
by WingCommander inhere is the segment on the conti abuse case in california and jehovah's witness's response as reported on by the abcnews nightline broadcast which was shown early this morning.
it really displays some absolutely shocking behavior from not only her abuser and his (supportive) wife, but also the jw attorneys and elders via video.
i am just blown away by the audacity displayed by these monsters.. we can now understand why governing body member stephen lett slipped in his comments a couple of weeks ago about "untrue reports of child abuse" in one of his talks which can viewed on the cult's website.
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This was an incredible 10 minutes of journalism. To see ABC a major national network affiliate do interviews and expose the arrogance of the WT Society and make them look so criminal, so bad- it was astounding. Even used the term " worldly " . Cool. Good job ABC. Two thumbs up.
Candace Conti came across as so together, so unselfish in wanting to prevent this from happening to other victims - as someone else stated on another thread " she was the only one who was sorry for these things happening " ! It's amazing how lowdown and scummy this report made the WT Society appear to be as well as Jonathan Kendrick and his Psycho JW wife. To think that Kendrick's wife was actually calling the police authorities on the ABC news reporter- that was freaking hilarious- and sad all at the same time because it showed her complicity and acceptance of her husbands criminal behavior as well. What a freak she was. And her husband.
The WT Society getting exposed like this is the next best thing to apple pie, sliced sourdough bread with hot butter, and a gourmet meal all wrapped into one. If it can protect one more child - it will be worth it