Posts by flipper

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Healing & Rebuilding Your Life - Feedback Wanted

by jp1692 in

i have been invited to speak at an international cultic studies association workshop this fall.

i could use your help in focusing on my presentation subject.. these workshops are for former members of any cult or other high-control, authoritarian group, not just jehovah's witnesses.

last year, i spoke at one of their larger conferences in europe.

flipper

What PALE EMPEROR said is SO important -

this > " The loaded language is still there, and until it's removed they'll still have some sort of psychological/emotional connection to the cult. "

This is SO true. Until a person starts gradually weeding out the cult catch phrases out of their everyday speech - words like " the truth " , " the friends " , " brothers & sisters " , " my P.O. " or " my elders said " ( should be " the elders said " ) - as Pale stated a person keeps identifying themselves in a common fashion with the Jehovah's Witnesses as if they never left the cult , but mentally are still a part of it.

To be fair it DOES take awhile to lose these loaded JW cult catch phrases and expressions- however- that process can be sped up by replacing these words with other words through research and educating oneself on the Internet which in turn replaces these catch phrases within our brain neurotransmitters where in time our first inclination is to use other words and not JW catch phrases anymore. It takes awhile , but it's worth it- as in time a person will find that words like " the truth " don't automatically pop up into your head anymore. It took me about 12 years or so to get to that point, I've been out 15 years, so yes indeed, it's a process. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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How do you deal with the smoke?

by compound complex in

jw
friends

i hope you're not dealing with wildfires in your area.

currently, california is under siege.

we, in the sierra nevada foothills, had our major conflagration last october and needed to evacuate.

flipper

Hey CoCo- The smoke out where Mrs. Flipper and me are at has subsided substantially this morning. Yesterday it was so smoky it was ridiculous. Reason for that was all the small spot fires that started up- a couple way down south in El Dorado County , also a couple small ones here. I even heard there was a 1,500 acre fire in the valley . And that's on top of the huge fires in 3 different spots in Northern California further north at 120,000 acres & 95, 000 acres. That's a hell of a lot of particulates being put into the air in California. And I'm not even including the Yosemite fire at what ? 60,000 acres ? No wonder it's so smoky ! Ick.

I chatted with some dear friends of mine this weekend who came close to eating their lunch and losing their house, but they were fortunate some hot shot fire crews living in their neighborhood dug trenches on their own around the perimeter of the whole neighborhood and saved everybody . So it shows what civil, decent people can do for one another in the face of adversity ! Take care buddy, stay safe ! And tell all your neighbors to put out their cigarette butts ! I'm doing that out here as we have some backwoods mountain folks who don't think twice about flicking cigarette butts out their car windows into grass on the sides of roads. All it takes is one still lit cigarette and boom ! We could have a 40,000 acre fire in 1 day. It is THAT dry out here in California. Hang in there CoCo, stay safe. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Former2free bio and intro

by former2free in

oh where to begin i am a born in witness witness mother and father and grandparents though only 2 of the 4. i was born in the early 80’s and immediately my parents faced the blood transfusion issue course in their minds at the time it wasn’t an issue it was not gonna happen.

i don’t wanna go into too much detail but fortunately it worked out well as is evidenced by my writing of this back story.

i had the usual spiritual goals that most witness children have i got baptized at 13 then i started running mics and doing sound and giving more talks.

flipper

Hey bud, I sent you a PM, just wanted to let you know. Take care, have a great day ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Former2free bio and intro

by former2free in

oh where to begin i am a born in witness witness mother and father and grandparents though only 2 of the 4. i was born in the early 80’s and immediately my parents faced the blood transfusion issue course in their minds at the time it wasn’t an issue it was not gonna happen.

i don’t wanna go into too much detail but fortunately it worked out well as is evidenced by my writing of this back story.

i had the usual spiritual goals that most witness children have i got baptized at 13 then i started running mics and doing sound and giving more talks.

flipper

FORMER2FREE- Hey bud, how are you doin ' ? Great opening thread by you . Nicely done. Enjoyed chatting with you awhile back, would like to chat again. Great important points you brought out like this one > " So my biggest thing now is I wanna have my research in a format that I can have legitimate references from , and I want to get a file together... "

And then this point is huge > " Study was never a strong suit growing up in the organization we never studied we read their publications AND NEVER ANYTHING ELSE. "

I capitalized the really important part to stress how important it is after mentally getting out of the JW's to KEEP researching and proving all of this stuff to yourself you are finding out online about the WT Society. After you've researched for a few years - I swear - it becomes like Pandora's box and the WT skeleton's and circus carnies start tumbling out of the closet and your head starts becoming like a swivel and as you find out more you'll say " I never knew the WT Society did THAT ! or was that criminal ! "

I went through this same phase a few years AFTER I exited the JW's and never realized how much important information was on the Internet exposing the WT organization that I knew absolutely nothing about until I researched ! But THAT was the WT Society's intention to keep all of us as what Steve Hassan calls in his books on mind control under " information control " so as NOT to learn of the WT Society's criminal, unethical, and harmful ways and past. So the typical JW doesn't have a clue how big a child abuse problem Jehovah's Witnesses have ! It's all part of the scheme of WT leaders to KEEP it that way.

It's going to blow your mind. As I'm quite sure your mind has already been blown at the things you've discovered about the WT Society. But stay steady, stay the course. Desirous of Changes advice is great to not push too hard with your wife. It might drive her back into the JW cult mode if you do. Just show her lots of love so she sees you are the same good guy she married, even better. Because others might tell her that " oh your husband is " drifting " , " weak " , or " losing his spirituality " - when the fact of the matter is that NOW you are becoming MORE into TTATT. You are REALLY truthful now, they just don't know it and are still under mind control.

So these are just a few thoughts I have , hey I'll PM you my contact info on the PM you sent me. Perhaps you could do the same and send your info to me ? Thanks. Hang in there buddy, you will be O.K. and do well. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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How many child molesters do you personally know of in the J.W's?

by karter in

were are they now and what position are they in.. lets do a running count.. c.o.b.e was interfering with his daughter,d.f,reinstated died in good standing.. branch oveersear multiple young children d.f,reinstated in good standing.. publisher interfeared with small child in the k.h d.f not sure were he is.. publisher sexually abused 3 relatives no action taken in good standing.. current elder raped his sister years ago little action taken was not an elder at the time.. publisher sexualy abused young girl d.f,reinstater now in good standing.. m.s multiple young girls d.f,died trying to get reinstated.. so thats 7.. karter..

flipper

Since I've been out of the JW organization for 15 years since 2003, I have no idea of what's become of these perverts. But in 2006 when I initially heard of the child abuse problem being huge within the WT organization I checked online on the sexual predator list in California called " Megan's Law " which shows pictures of registered sex offenders to see if I recognized any of them from when I lived in my original hometown until age 25.

I was shocked to see that I recognized 12 out of 1000 registered sex offenders as JW's I used to know or knew of in my original hometown. Really disgusting. They varied from elders to elders adult children to ministerial servants. Don't know if they were still JW's at the time I saw them on this list - however their pictures looked pretty disgusting anyway. But 12 out of 1,000 comes out to about what ? Approximately one out of 80 registered sex offenders on that list had been JW's ! That's pretty twisted. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Healing & Rebuilding Your Life - Feedback Wanted

by jp1692 in

i have been invited to speak at an international cultic studies association workshop this fall.

i could use your help in focusing on my presentation subject.. these workshops are for former members of any cult or other high-control, authoritarian group, not just jehovah's witnesses.

last year, i spoke at one of their larger conferences in europe.

flipper

COCO- You bring out some great points in which I am trying to get people who are EX-JW's to think about constantly. Especially this statement - " I realize our former endeavor to develop the much touted Christian personality might have resulted in only a veneer . " Exactly, bingo, you nailed it.

The huge problem I noticed in the WT organization was that it totally changed from when I was a boy growing up in it in the 1960's when there would actually be WT studies dealing with the fruitages of the spirit - love, kindness, mildness, etc. to a staunch unyielding, uncaring, corporation in the 1980's where the mantra was as Ted Jaracz put it - " the needs of the organization are bigger than any single needs of individual brothers or sisters . "

So what that CAUSED in attitudes of JW's was that to develop what the WT Society claimed were " Christian " personalities - it meant being loyal in performing WT functions or activities. To " develop " a " Christian " personality now meant in the 1980's to answer at all meetings, give your Ministry school assignments, get 10 hours or more in field service, turn your time in at the end of the month- and a person would be considered " spiritual " or " developing Christian personality " . It didn't matter if the person was unkind, not mild, had no self control, or even occasionally beat his wife in private or molested JW kids- as long as that person PERFORMED WT functions outwardly then that person was " developing Christian personality " in the eyes of WT leaders.

So being a JW became more of an outward appearance thing to others than really any inward changes of putting on the fruitage of the spirit. And I think THAT observing that fact is one of the things that eventually made me leave the organization. Realizing I was running around and socializing with a bunch of fake people selling their souls to the WT Society , a corporation, but not really seriously changing inside as a person.

To SLIMBOYFAT'S credit, oh sure there were some , maybe a good number who WERE sincere, but by the time I exited for good in 2003 , there were far more JW's who bought into the concept that being " spiritual " meant being loyal to the WT Society at any cost , even if the WT Society did criminal actions. And being " spiritual " had nothing to do with being " good " , or being mild, kind, or loving- just obedient to the WT leaders. Just my 2 cents here. Take care buddy, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Healing & Rebuilding Your Life - Feedback Wanted

by jp1692 in

i have been invited to speak at an international cultic studies association workshop this fall.

i could use your help in focusing on my presentation subject.. these workshops are for former members of any cult or other high-control, authoritarian group, not just jehovah's witnesses.

last year, i spoke at one of their larger conferences in europe.

flipper

In order of importance I choose these :

1. Discovering your authentic self - ( personal identity )

2. Examining Our Beliefs : Identifying the false and harmful ( dysfunctional ) core beliefs which are the root cause of our on-going difficulties after leaving

3. The five stages of grief/loss

4. Dealing with isolation & loneliness

5. Psycheducation

6. Treatments and Interventions

I think all of these things are important , but I logged these in order of what I feel a step by step process should be in getting back to reality in escaping the sick and twisted cult mind control influence we were under.

Discovering our authentic self is SO important because without that- a person slips back into the WT or JW cult personality . Example : Many who are dfed for years go back to the organization after many years. Reason : they don't educate themselves about HOW the WT Society controlled their minds by the dysfunctional core beliefs infecting a typical JW's sense of worth and which creates in JW's extreme lack of self esteem.( I'm not talking about core beliefs like 607 B.C.E. , the anointed , none of that stupid shit matters. ) What I'm talking about is studying the psychological repressions the WT Society instilled in us as humans, actions by WT Society leaders that steal away our critical thinking ability creating sheep like lack of self esteem causing JW's to follow and turn their brain neurotransmitters off ! THAT is the important shit to learn about. Until a cult member sees and understands HOW their minds were duped, they won't be ready to let go of the illusion or fantasy that WT leaders have any right whatsoever to invade our personal lives or invade our personal boundaries.

And then the rest of the 4 points you made come into play after a person discovers HOW they were deceived and duped, then understanding comes into play and a person is able to learn to grieve, cope with the isolation and loneliness - but not until they've educated themselves on what the hell actually happened to them ! Kind of how I see it. Otherwise if a person doesn't understand or educate themself- they'll just simmer and stew in depressing isolation, grieving, and loneliness stuck in the quicksand of their ex-JW persona - and never understanding why they cannot move forward in life. So , hey it's my 2 cents here. I've been out of the JW's 15 years, and I feel I did a lot of homework on my inner psyche and self. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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