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The Ever-Changing Watch Tower Doctrines Betray Its Corruption

by Dogpatch in

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the ever-changing watch tower doctrines betray its corruption.

by randall watters.

"new light from jehovah's organization!

flipper

In line with Gorbatchov's current thread, very important that this Randy Watters thread be bumped up for newer EX-JW members here to read. Information is power and lack of information is ignorance

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CO asked for everyone 20 years old & younger for a group photo

by LevelThePlayingField in

there was a co visit in ohio a couple weeks ago.

when he was finishing up his sunday talk he said that he would like if "all the children that are from this congregation, not if you're just visiting, but from this congregation to come on up on the stage right after the meeting because i want to get a picture of you.".

i thought to myself, why?

flipper

STILL TOTALLY ADD - Your statement about the D.O. doing this, " Half an hour after I went to bed he would come into my room and turn the light on and just stare at me for a few minutes then turn the light off and leave without saying a word. "

Good gawd man, was that freaking Ted Jaracz who did this to you ? He was a D.O. out here in California in the 1960's and was allegedly charged by young JW victims of molesting them back then. One woman even hunted him down at Bethel when he became a GB member and confronted him on the Bethel steps about abusing her years before !

My dad & mom had Jaracz and his wife stay at our house when I was 11 yrs.old as my dad was City Overseer and although Ted Jaracz didn't bother me- his wife wanted to wash my hair as she had been a hair stylist. I thought she was gonna damn near rub my scalp raw as she worked the shampoo in really way too hard. I don't know if she had something against kids due to Ted's penchant for possibly abusing kids - but it was too damned rough on an 11 year olds scalp. I told my mom & dad " don't ever let somebody do that to me again " . Jesus Christ. The things we had to put up with just being an elders kid. Total crap. Take care, Peace out buddy, Mr. Flipper

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What do you think?

by JRK in

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if a decades-long apostate decides that they should marry a semi-active jw, what odds would you put on the viability of the marriage?

if not viable, how long before the shit would hit the fan?

jk.

flipper

" How long before the shit hits the fan " ?

I'd say about 2 minutes. Probably more details than you care to know about. And the recipient has the shit blown back in his or her face now. Don't sweat it bud. You're luckier than you know. Love ya, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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What makes you---YOU?

by eyeuse2badub in

of course this is an open ended question but have you ever really thought about what makes you who you are?.

is it our looks, our personality, our physique, our intelligence, our experiences and subsequent memories, our beliefs?

is it a combination of all these things and even more?

flipper

My mom & dad getting together doing the horizontal bop made me who I am. I don't know how everybody else got here. I can only speak for myself. lol.

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Paranormal stuff: is it a cultural thing? Rant ahead

by Whynot in

paranormal stuff is common where my family is from it's almost expected.

native american background, my great grandmother was a witch doctor a damn good one too, my non witness relatives dabble in it.

so i have seen stuff and experienced stuff.

flipper

As some here have so appropriately put it - we as humans DO NOT know everything there is to know about the paranormal. In answer to the question by one poster " have these experiences happened due to drugs " ? For me the answer is " no " - In the occasional experiences I've had I've been fully in possession of my own mind thank you very much. I'm not one of those " unstable attention seeking nuts " that another poster referred to.

As the others who shared their experiences here stated , many of us aren't sure of what we've experienced , we aren't being dogmatic, just honest in disclosing certain experiences , in which there should be no shame in that- unless some here really ARE scared of imaginary " boogie men " or " Satan " or " demons " . lol. I don't see how that honest people just sharing their experiences threatens anyone's belief systems or existence in their life.

In my personal experiences in two of the experiences I had - it seemed very much to me that both experiences were leaning towards two different deceased people trying to send me a message. Allow me to explain. I'm a big boy and can deal with any slings & arrows of insult I receive here. God knows I've been insulted on other threads by folks.

So in the first instance in 2015 it happened at a commercial job inside an office I was doing work at. I had a worker named Rebecca, a young mother who had died of heart failure two years before at age 33. She had two sons of her own in their teens who were devastated when their mom died. We had had conversations when she was alive about how my JW daughters shunned me and she felt really bad about how this made me sad. I looked at her like a daughter myself and she had met my wife and worked on jobs with me & my son as well. She used to work at this one particular job in this same office in an industrial complex and after she had died sometimes I'd just talk openly about how much I missed her and the lights would start flickering in this little computer side room.

O.K. so hear me out . I had just heard in the summer of 2015 that my JW daughter was going to have a baby, I'd be a grandpa for the first time. So I just started saying this out loud at this job " Hey Rebecca , I just wanted you to know I'm going to be a grandpa for the first time " - then immediately- these two cell phones that were turned OFF , yet plugged in two opposite offices start getting a bunch of static on them ! In the midst of the static - a lady started laughing !. I yelled out " Rebeccah ? " And i'd go into one office this lady would laugh and I'd hear this laugh transfer to the other cell phone in the OTHER office ! Freaking incredible. So I ran to the other office. This laughing sounded just like the way my worker used to laugh, yet it wouldn't speak to me. It lasted about 1 to 2 minutes and I kept saying her name " Rebeccah " - then all of a sudden the static went quiet and boom, nothing, no laughing, it stopped. All that came to my mind in my intuition is that possibly ( for those who might doubt, not being dogmatic here ) it MAY have been my deceased worker expressing joy & happiness that I was going to be a grandpa for the first time. There was really no scientific explanation for two cell phones to go off like this when they were turned off being charged.

O.K. The 2nd experience happened in December of 2017 right after my JW mom died. As most know here I had a really close relationship with my mom. While she was lying on her bed at the hospital in her final hours she was conscious, but could not talk as she had a massive stroke 8 days before taking her speech away. I leaned into her and told her, " Mom, I don't know what happens after we pass away, but I want you to know that IF there is something after you die, my wife and I invite you to please visit us in any way, shape, or form if you want to communicate to us. We would love to hear from you, so please let us know in some manner if you're out there somehow . " Kissed her on her forehead not really knowing what to expect.

Fast forward 2 days later after she died I was typing on this same computer posting a thread on the private section about her death. I was typing a long thread for sure about her final hours, and just towards the end of the thread exactly at the time when I typed THIS statement " I told my mom to please contact me if there's anything after life if she was able to get in touch with us " - just THEN - the computer screen started getting static electricity and went totally dark along all 4 sides in a square and the only light on the screen then zoomed in to that statement I just told you in quotes ! I sat there absolutely stunned ! I couldn't believe it- but it seemed, or quite possibly appeared that my mom was letting me know she was there through this electrical energy experience. I had no other explanation. It lasted about 1 minute and I called my wife in to see it, she was gobsmacked as well. Then, boom ! As soon as I hit the submit post button the computer screen went back to normal working just fine. The computer had no malfunction, it had NEVER done this before with dark on the screen and static lines appearing on the dark part of the screen.

So those are the two biggest possible paranormal experiences I've had. Hey look, it seemed to me it was pretty damning evidence that there's something in the after death experience that we humans just don't understand. There are plenty of things in this life that many of us just don't understand. In the words of the Kansas song " Carry on Wayward Son " it states, " If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I do't know."

I had no reason to feel like this one poster stated, " No one is ever embarrassed or ashamed of being in touch with their dead ancestors it seems. " I for one have no REASON to be embarrassed or ashamed of ANYTHING. I left off all the " guilt " or "shame " feelings when I exited the severe judgmental cult called Jehovah's Witnesses. It was a warm, good feeling to think my mom might be contacting me in the afterlife.

As most folks who personally know me here, I'm a pretty grounded, reasonable person who wouldn't just make things up or pull things out of my ass for attention. I'm definitely not one of those " attention seeking nuts " described earlier.

But hey life is interesting. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. It's what makes the world go around. I have a happy life , great friends, success in business, and any attempt made to discredit me falls off my back like water off a ducks back. Carry on then. I will continue to enjoy life totally

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Neanderthals - Meet Your Ancestors

by Earnest in

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tonight (sunday, 13th may) at 20:00 on bbc 2 ... for neanderthal believers, agnostics and deniers.. this first programme in a two-part series investigates what neanderthals looked like and and how they lived in their ice age world.

it turns out that almost everything we thought we knew about them is wrong.

they weren't hunched, grunting, knuckle-dragging ape-men at all.

flipper

LONG HAIR GAL- Yeah, it was really interesting taking the DNA test. I was really surprised I was 3.1 % Neanderthal. My wife thinks it's sexy though, so hey, that's what counts with me. I don't walk around dragging her by her hair or anything or walk around with a club like Fred Flintstone- I promise . I'm a pretty normal guy. lol. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Paranormal stuff: is it a cultural thing? Rant ahead

by Whynot in

paranormal stuff is common where my family is from it's almost expected.

native american background, my great grandmother was a witch doctor a damn good one too, my non witness relatives dabble in it.

so i have seen stuff and experienced stuff.

flipper

XANTHIPPE- Hey thanks. Yeah, I don't know what's out there. I don't speak in absolutes on this subject. All I can share is my actual experiences I've had and those experiences were real I guarantee that. A bit unnerving, but yet calming as well - if that makes any sense. Once it happened several times , I found there's no reason to fear it. I'm glad you've had those experiences too and have an open mind to it without fear. What did Franklin Roosevelt state one time " there's nothing to fear, but fear itself " ? lol. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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R.I.P Margot Kidder { Lois Lane} 1948-2018

by smiddy3 in

i was saddened to hear this ,she was only 69 yrs old and i thought she played a great lois lane in the superman movie.. in her life she obviously had issues to deal with and not the best of outcomes sometimes .. r.i.p.

margot kidder , 1948- 2018.

flipper

I had heard she struggled with depression for years, very sad. Watching that you tube of Christopher Reeve and her makes me wonder where the years have gone. They're both gone now. None of us get any younger - contrary to the ridiculous promises of the WT Society. Rest in peace Margot , Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Paranormal stuff: is it a cultural thing? Rant ahead

by Whynot in

paranormal stuff is common where my family is from it's almost expected.

native american background, my great grandmother was a witch doctor a damn good one too, my non witness relatives dabble in it.

so i have seen stuff and experienced stuff.

flipper

WHYNOT- Hey thanks. Yeah, the experiences I've had in dreams, and contacts through electrical transmissions are truly amazing. Hey look, I'm not in a position to say what actually happens after death. None of us will really ever know until we die - and we're in that state. I do not believe anybody ever comes back physically, but little messages through electronic transmissions or dreams, possibly- I've had some interesting experiences. I'm open to the possibilities . I'm not close minded . Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Paranormal stuff: is it a cultural thing? Rant ahead

by Whynot in

paranormal stuff is common where my family is from it's almost expected.

native american background, my great grandmother was a witch doctor a damn good one too, my non witness relatives dabble in it.

so i have seen stuff and experienced stuff.

flipper

WHYNOT- Interesting thread. I exited the JW's about 15 years ago at age 44 and my ex-wife is still a fanatic JW who lives in California. And she was absolutely terrified of anything supernatural . My JW sister freaked out years ago when her husband and her moved next door to what they discovered was a female witch- started having creepy experiences, etc.

I do believe that not only JW's , but religious people who claim to be Christians get freaked out over " the Devil " or " demons " as they are indoctrinated to believe all supernatural or after life connections are " bad " or " evil " .

I have a little Native American in me and since leaving the JW cult - I've had many experiences with dead relatives or deceased friends trying to contact me through dreams, or electronic transmissions through cell phones or computers. I'm not afraid of it in the least. It's kind of cool that they contact me. I feel honored. And I'm a agnostic / atheist - yet from my experiences I do believe that the life spirit or energy in humans very possibly, and most probably does live on invisibly and they choose to connect to those of us who are receptive to connecting.

Since 2010 I've also logged over 700 pages of my dreams . I keep track and write down most all of my dreams that I remember- so my subconscious mind is very open to communication with entities from beyond. I have no fear whatsoever - as I really do not believe in a " Devil " , " Satan " , or " demons " . I think it's just man made religions trying to invoke fear into people so the church can control them.

There may be spirits or deceased people that play tricks or who are perhaps " evil " in their intentions towards the living, but I'd avoid those anyway like I avoid living humans that are that way. I feel like I'm an intuitive, or lean towards the psychic and any contacts I've had from my deceased mom or close friends have always been very comforting and positive- like they're telling me that they are looking out for me and being my guardian spirits if you will.

I'm not religious at all, but I still believe that we can contact our deceased relatives or friends as I've experienced it myself. I have no fear whatsoever. But I believe lots of people in the United States who are affilated with " Christian " religions in general- including Jehovah's Witnesses - fear the afterlife or supernatural because they're taught that it's " evil " or " Satan " . Which I disagree with. I actually feel kind of sad for them that these JW's run around like a bunch of scared bunny rabbits due to all the other FEAR indoctrination they get from the WT Society.

After 15 years out of the JW cult, I can generally say, there's not much that scares me anymore. I've lost a lot of that " fear " indoctrination. Take care, great thread ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper