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  Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - San Diego Reader (California, US), Friday, January 12, 2018

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - san diego reader (california, us), friday, january 12, 2018.

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  Thanks Bill, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - San Diego Reader (California, US), Friday, January 12, 2018

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - san diego reader (california, us), friday, january 12, 2018.

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  Stan- Indeed. That's why Zalkin's law firm is digging in against the WT Society and so far the courts are backing him up by refusing to drop this against the WT Society. WT Society keeps appealing it- the courts say " your appeal is rejected " - the WT Society tries finagling it into another court system or the appellate courts here. It's just ridiculous how WT Society leaders think that they're above the laws of the land. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - San Diego Reader (California, US), Friday, January 12, 2018

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - san diego reader (california, us), friday, january 12, 2018.

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  Stan- The number 23,000 approximately was verbally admitted to in a previous trial in these San Diego cases by a WT lawyer or representative. WT admitted that yes, they had a database pedophile list - however they claimed it was too technically involved and would be too difficult to give the court this information from their database files.

  So WT has admitted in court they HAVE the list. They just REFUSE to release it. Which is very telling in and of itself . What, or more accurately, WHO are they hiding being exposed on that list ? Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  Talked Higher Education with Mrs. OTWO

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i shared a facebook video from newsbroke with my wife.

  you many agree or disagree with the points made in the video.

  please, don't make this about that.

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  OTWO- Hey buddy, excellent video, thanks for posting. Trumps comment," We love the under educated ! " Says it all. The elite right wing wants to keep the general population dumbed down, much the same way that WT Society leaders want to keep all JW's dumbed down . The reason ? They're less of a threat if they are kept stupid or uninformed.

  The irony in this is that we have one of the most idiotic , stupid presidents ever - yet he has manipulated others with his stupidity . And that is extremely dangerous.

  Kudos to you on the great efforts you put into waking your wife up by comparisons to what we see happening around us in the real world ! Great job man. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - San Diego Reader (California, US), Friday, January 12, 2018

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - san diego reader (california, us), friday, january 12, 2018.

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  Even though these cases are getting settled with the victims - which is good for them personally and helps bring closure - the battle over the WT Society refusing to release the names of 23,000 JW pedophiles they have hidden still continues. That is not over . WT Society still refuses and the courts ruled against dropping this request . So it's continuing in another court sometime soon in 2018. Anybody have any information when the next hearing is on this battle over WT Society's refusing to disclose information ? Appreciate any input
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  Mind control

  by Jrjw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ive just watched on youtube the b.i.t.e model of cult mind control by steve hassan.

  all 23 steps apply to the wts.

  its awful knowing i was tricked and how subtly it was done without me even knowing.

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  Here's a link to Steve Hassan's site : www.freedomofmind.com.
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  Guilt trip

  by Jrjw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  did anyone have other jws try to guilt trip them when they were leaving or if you were making a decision which jws felt was wrong but wasn't unscriptural?

  i'm getting people guilt tripping me to eventually get back with my emotionally, spiritually and mentally abusive husband who i'm separated from.

  i feel sick at the thought of getting back together and putting myself through that nightmare again but i'm being told its what jehovah wants coz he doesn't want families to be apart.

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  JRJW- AS you mentioned on your other thread - you are on the right track researching mind control and the B.I.T.E. model . I agree with Desirous of Changes suggestion and please read all 3 of Steve Hassan's books on cult mind control. It will help strengthen your resolve that indeed, YES - you are doing the right thing in exiting and staying away from the JW influence and people. You'll learn by reading these books that the two main weapons that all mind control cults use to control people are FEAR and GUILT. It is the two legs that all mind control cults and organizations walk on.

  It takes time to rebuild our personal self esteem after we exit the Witnesses because through guilt tactics - the WT Society makes us not trust our own thinking and judgment on issues, giving out fear inspiring threats and guilt of false things that will happen to us if we leave the JW's. Like : " you'll die at Armageddon " , " you'll lose your sense of direction " , You'll become a bad person shooting up drugs and having orgies " - all of which are false and not true. Those things don't happen to people who leave the Witnesses ! Usually people start having the happiest years of their lives !

  It takes time to get that strength and inner fortification within your mind JrJW. Give yourself that time and do the work of informing yourself by reading Steve Hassan's books. And other books addressing breaking free of mind control. Our minds were pre-programmed with WT Society drivel and indoctrination scaring us needlessly- it takes time to re-program our inner self. Please for your sake and the sake of your daughter - take the time to do that my friend. You won't regret it in the long range view. Might be hard at first, but you'll be glad later you did it. Hang in there, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  what big change could bring down the watchtower?

  by stan livedeath in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what single big change do you think could back fire and bring the cult down ?.

  me: tithing..

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  Either a federal investigation into their extortion tactics of rank and file congregations / or misuse of billions of $$$$ of funds might bring them down. A federal investigation of child abuse crimes / getting access ( finally ) to the database file which holds 23,000 names of JW pedophiles - then exposing that the WT Society appointed thousands high ranking JW men into positions of power all the while knowing those names were among the 23,000 on the database file list. That would prove intent and knowing collusion.

  Or, as some have stated the " no blood transfusion " JW deaths, especially of minor children might wake up the government to investigate abuses of JW members within the cult with thousands of them dying from refusing blood transfusions. I'm thinking it may be any of those 3 things that might eventually bring WT Society down :

  1. WT Society extortion of people financially

  2. Aiding and abetting church leaders willfully hiding child molesters

  3. Forcing, coercing , or pressuring members to refuse blood transfusions resulting in thousands of needless deaths.

  Any of these 3 things or perhaps a combination of them may really hasten WT Society's demise
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  Mind control

  by Jrjw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ive just watched on youtube the b.i.t.e model of cult mind control by steve hassan.

  all 23 steps apply to the wts.

  its awful knowing i was tricked and how subtly it was done without me even knowing.

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  JRJW- Good for you that you're reading Hassan's information regarding cults ! I highly recommend reading all of his books . Very informative and helpful to anybody exiting any kind of high control or mind control organization. In fact, Hassan's books helped me even more than Ray Franz's books I believe. Keep the great reading and work up ! Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  Reveal- Trey Bundy: New documents about Jehovah’s Witnesses’ sex abuse begin to leak out

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  new jehovah's witnesses document dump provides a grim play-by-play of how the religion deals with sexual abuse.

  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/new-documents-about-jehovahs-witnesses-sex-abuse-begin-to-leak-out/.

  by trey bundy / january 10, 2018 .

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  JOHN DAVIS- Well, you must either be a JW or a WT apologist. Your sense of " reasoning " ( if you can call it that ) is absolutely ridiculous.

  Your statement, " I understand that people have a problem with the fact that he was reinstated and allowed to go door to door , but that is HIS RIGHT to practice his religion. " Uh-huh. And if by practicing that " right " he happens to start a Bible Study with a minor child that evolves into a child molestation session your view is " oh well he's practicing HIS form of religion " ? That's idiotic. Don't you understand there should be laws that restrict a known child molester from having close proximity to children ? There already ARE laws which produce information and photos of known registered sex offenders on Megan's law to inform the public of WHO these offenders are ! How on earth would you be able to assert in whatever universe you exist- that it's fine for a random child molester to call on minor children uninvited to their doors ? You're flipping crazy.

  Also your quote, " Fourth , is this thought that the authorities were never notified when it is certainly possible for one to surmise that authorities were notified . " O.K. What kind of reasoning is this ? Circular ? And I might state it's entirely possible the other way around ! It's also possible that the authorities were NEVER notified and for one to surmise this is true as well. At least in some of these particular cases.

  You live in an alternate universe dude, where your version of " freedom of religion " fosters criminal behavior- actually aiding and abetting child molesters. Wake up and smell reality