Anyone see the experiences and Leah's show last night ? Very interesting
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Anyone else watching the Leah Remini series "Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath" on A&E?
by NikL inmy wife and i started to watch this last night and have covered only 2 episodes so far but it is really interesting.. there are so many similarities between scientology and wt.
not in beliefs of course but in their shunning, of their version of apostates etc.. it was amusing for me to see my active jw wife watch and get all indignant.
at one point a statement was made that a religion "shouldn't separate families" and she muttered to herself "absolutely not".. i am kind of hoping that jws will watch and see what is being carried on by a high control cult and eventually recognize it in their own lives.
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The con is completed - comments from the US branch's LDC chief
by sir82 inrecently attended a special assembly day.. guest speaker was thomas chicky, a member of the us branch committee and the head of the us ldc (which has replaced the rbcs).. the last talk of the day is scheduled for an hour.
it was the usual boring mumbo-jumbo.
he appeared to have blasted through his hour-long outline in just about 45 minutes, so he "treated" us to informal comments on recent developments.. he commented on the new wt complex in fishkill ny.. then he dropped the bomb (well, to anyone with ears and at least 2 functioning synapses).. the following is not a word for quote, but presents the gist of his comments:.
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SIR 82 asked, " So they're either investing or spending it - if not real estate , then what? "
Most undoubtedly a sizeable amount is going to pay off OUT OF COURT child abuse settlements with gag orders being put on the child abuse victims and families so as to keep many of these child abuse settlements quiet. WT leaders don't want hundreds of Candace Conti type publicity type child abuse cases popping up on social media - Internet OR T.V.
The longer WT leaders can milk a half ass " respectable " image - especially in America where media is everything, i.e. tweets, text messaging, Internet false news etc. - WT leaders HAVE to spend these exorbitant amounts of money out behind the scenes to keep themselves in the ballgame financially and do whatever is necessary to not lose their financial " interests " .
If you don't believe me then pay attention to what Leah Remini said the church of Scientology is doing to try and debunk what her and Mike Rinder are exposing about the Scientology cult on mainstream media and T.V. right now. Scientology is spending millions of $$$$ attempting to discredit the ugly truths about their unjust and lying practices being exposed by Remini and Rinder. These huge religious corporates will stop at nothing to try and prevent bad press in the media. I truly believe that is where a nice chunk of this WT takeover money is going. To attorneys to make out of court child abuse settlements. JW's won't hear about it, nor will we if it's done in silence with gag orders imposed behind closed doors.
As for the rest of the millions WT is making - I'm sure WT leaders have budgeted some of that money to go to offshore accounts to keep the organization afloat and guarantee WT leaders their financial stability. It's Bethel longtime workers being laid off who will suffer financial fallout- not WT leaders or their financial warlords. Way I see it
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The con is completed - comments from the US branch's LDC chief
by sir82 inrecently attended a special assembly day.. guest speaker was thomas chicky, a member of the us branch committee and the head of the us ldc (which has replaced the rbcs).. the last talk of the day is scheduled for an hour.
it was the usual boring mumbo-jumbo.
he appeared to have blasted through his hour-long outline in just about 45 minutes, so he "treated" us to informal comments on recent developments.. he commented on the new wt complex in fishkill ny.. then he dropped the bomb (well, to anyone with ears and at least 2 functioning synapses).. the following is not a word for quote, but presents the gist of his comments:.
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" We're going to work with what we have "
" Oh, we'll occasionally build a new kingdom hall, but we don't need many of those. "
Translation : " We're going to work with what we have because it makes us more money consolidating all of you JW's into more crowded congregations thereby enabling us WT leaders to sell off the unused kingdom halls for a profit, er, excuse me " Kingdom Interests" - so it furthers " Jehovah's name " . "
" Also- we'll occasionally build a new kingdom hall, but it won't be necessary as many brothers and sisters show such FAITH in the faithful and discreet slaves direction by willingly traveling 30 miles or more to partake of Jehovah's , er, excuse me WT Society's " bountiful spiritual FOOD " !
If you haven't hit your gag reflex button inside of you yet after reading this- you know that you're still under WT cult mind control
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Another "pull the football away just before you can kick it" comment made by Circuit Assembly's special guest, Thomas Chicky
by sir82 ini started a thread on this guy's comments about building kingdom halls here.. the guy also said this (again, not a word for word quote, but the gist of his comments):.
"the primary hope of salvation is the resurrection.
jehovah does not promise anyone that he will survive armageddon.
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Oh yes- Also Rutherford's talk should have been titled, " Millions Now Living will all Die. " At least THAT would have been honest
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Another "pull the football away just before you can kick it" comment made by Circuit Assembly's special guest, Thomas Chicky
by sir82 ini started a thread on this guy's comments about building kingdom halls here.. the guy also said this (again, not a word for word quote, but the gist of his comments):.
"the primary hope of salvation is the resurrection.
jehovah does not promise anyone that he will survive armageddon.
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" resurrection . That is our primary hope of salvation. "
Translation : This is what WT leaders might REALLY tell each JW ( if they were honest which they are not ) - " Well sorry folks, we were bullshitting you for the last 137 years since 1879 - there really IS no such thing as " the time of the end " or " Armageddon " . It was just a ploy on our part to get you to keep supporting " kingdom interests " within the Jehovah's Witness organization which supports the WT Society through your voluntary contributions supporting Kingdom Halls that we eventually take over title to even though YOU paid for it all . Oh and don't forget you kept the " last days " in mind also while we accepted your retirement funds, inheritances, life insurance policies, your houses, cars, and other gifts you donated on behalf of " kingdom interests " . WE know it may appear dishonest of us - but you know Jehovah has a perfect organization run by imperfect men. Elders and the Governing Body are not infallible , yet Jehovah is a tender God of mercies and he'll understand. With love for the brotherhood, Sincerely , WT Society . "
Even IF the WT leaders tried to be honest and apologize- they could not possibly be honest because it's beyond their ability to be so. This organization is run by narcissistic sociopaths who lie and has been wired for deceit and deception right from the get go back in 1879 where the 4 generations of JW " false prophecies " has cut off 8 million JW's from reality. While deceiving them at the same time. Hell of a way to become a 1 billion $$$$ corporation - but it's happened time and again throughout history. I feel sorry for these older ones who die and bought into this crap- including my own elderly JW parents. My mom died - NEVER having received these false promises from the WT Society after being in it since 1951 . I think she knew by the end of her life that it was all BS. At least she died in the here and now remembering happy memories with family of what REALLY happened - as opposed to not being given false promises. If I had a rocket launcher I'd shove it up some GB members ass
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New member
by NinaCee ini did not see a newbs thread to introduce myself, so my apologies if i'm in the wrong place.
i was a 3rd generation born in witness for 30 years until i was disfellowshipped back in 2007 for making a mistake.
my entire life up until that point was based on and circled around the society, and even though at first i really enjoyed my freedom (i still do), the fact is that i'm still struggling with cognitive dissonance, resentment, and loneliness.. i miss my family all the time.
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NINA- Welcome to the board, you are among friends here who have also experienced many injustices from the WT Society. I had to chuckle at your comment, " I think he's ( Jehovah ) a bit of an asshole " - LOL ! - I totally agree. I mean what allegedly " heavenly father " would allow his creation of humans to suffer because the first man and woman ate an apple for christs sakes ? I wouldn't even do that to MY children !
We are here as a support to you and welcome to the board my friend
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Anyone else watching the Leah Remini series "Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath" on A&E?
by NikL inmy wife and i started to watch this last night and have covered only 2 episodes so far but it is really interesting.. there are so many similarities between scientology and wt.
not in beliefs of course but in their shunning, of their version of apostates etc.. it was amusing for me to see my active jw wife watch and get all indignant.
at one point a statement was made that a religion "shouldn't separate families" and she muttered to herself "absolutely not".. i am kind of hoping that jws will watch and see what is being carried on by a high control cult and eventually recognize it in their own lives.
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My wife and I are watching every episode- it's riveting. Leah Remini and Mike Rinder are doing a tremendous job of exposing the different aspects of Scientology as a mind control cult and the damage it does to people and their family relationships. I highly recommend anybody on the board to watch it if you can - very revealing and eye opening. The comparisons to the WT Society and JW mind control are so similar it's eerie. I think Episode 4 is on tonight on the west Coast Pacific time at 10:00 P.M. on the Arts & Entertainment channel we'll watch it for sure. This is just fantastic A&E is carrying Leah's show. This is important stuff people. Now if we can just get JW's to watch it - perhaps it can secretly make something " click " in their brain and they'll start thinking. One can only hope -
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I haven't checked in here in at least 5 years
by Dinah2 inthis place is great and it helped me.
for anyone i used to interact with, i think about you often.
i just wanted to read and catch up..
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Hey Dinah ! Nice to see you back again. My wife and I say " what's up " ? And hope life is treating you well . Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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My Mother reach out to me AGAIN!
by HereIgo inabout 3 weeks ago i created a thread due to my mom reaching out to me (we hadn't talked in over 2 years due to typical jw politics).
well, today she reached out again thought facebook messenger saying " i'm so sorry i hurt you my beautiful baby boy.
i'm hurting very much also.
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HEREIGO- Interesting communication from your mom. Another thing you might tell her to allay her fears is, " Mom I'm the same son, the same guy that you raised to show love to people and show kindness to them , I haven't changed in my personality one bit. But my conscience won't allow me to support injustices I've come to research. I still love you and respect that you remain a JW , there's no reason for our differences to keep us apart."
I agree with Tiki here that your mom is feeling guilt within herself in her " gut feeling " that you are right about the WT Society and I agree that you should keep communication going , but avoid getting into a pissing war with her about JW stuff. Just talk about family, mundane things, weather, how you care about her, her health - but you need to understand that JW's are triggered and trained to defend their faith due to the mind control - if we start arguing or debating with them about the WT Society- we will not win that battle . It's like beating our head on a brick wall due to their deep indoctrination.
And anyway- it's not about winning battles with them or winning debates with them- it's about getting them to eventually THINK about things with an open , free thinking mind. If you haven't read Steve Hassan's 3 books on how to reach loved ones who are under cult mind control I HIGHLY recommend it. His website is : www.freedomofmind.com. His books are also on sale used on Amazon, or other locations on the Internet. It's going to require patience to get your mom to think- but it's worth it- it appears she still loves you and is feeling some guilt and misgivings about your relationship being strained, so now is a great time to do some homework and devise a plan. Give it time bro. Good luck, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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Survey: Are you Agnostic or Atheist or Christian?
by Iamallcool ini am agnostic.
i will count how many agnostics, atheists and christians that are reading this forum regularly.
please answer my question.
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Agnostic. Like the comedian Bill Maher- I'm of the school " I don't know " . And I'm happy to be in that school and it doesn't bother me in the least to " not know " . Won't affect how I live my life . Nobody has all the answers. We learn about life as we go along and live it