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Do you think JWN members would be surprised if they got to know you in real life?

by nicolaou in

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i don't think you'd recognise me much at all.

i'm a royal mail postman, i love my job for the early starts and midday finish, the outdoors and the exercise.. i get on with people but i'm quite insular and don't enjoy crowds.

i'm happiest when i've fired up the charcoal and i'm making souvlaki or adana kebabs for my family and a few close friends.

flipper

Interesting thread. I don't think anybody would be too surprised - I'm pretty much an open book kind of guy- what you see is what you get - no hidden agendas anywhere- I just live in the here and now and am pretty laid back with a quirky off the wall type of humor. My wife has a great sense of humor as well. I just enjoy having fun with folks on the board here and everywhere - most all of us have fun at the Lake Tahoe gathering each year. Woops there I go plugging for Tahoe again- but it was an " out in the open " agenda- not hidden. LOL. Everybody is invited to come ! The more the merrier ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Some elders tactics during my fading (appeal to emotion and circular reasoning)

by redpilltwice in

first of all, hats off and thank you to all the wonderful and intelligent people i've met and observed on this incredible forum.

it's about time to share some more experiences regarding my recent fading, which began end september.

not very spectacular i think, but reckonizable maybe.

flipper

Redpilltwice- Thanks for sharing your experience - very interesting. Typical WT elder responses though. The statement, " the desired WT answer became the evidence itself , no matter how strong the case for a better, more truth based answer may have been ! "

And the reason for that is the WT Society appointed elders are under the influence of cult mind control from WT leaders. Elders are also victims of the " Stockholm Syndrome " where they will obey ANY directions from WT leaders - even IF those directions are illegal and breaking the laws of the land. Especially in regards to hiding child abuse within JW ranks. Elders aren't interested in discovering the truth- just interested in obeying the governing body so they don't lose their elder's positions. Some of these guys get no recognition in the real outside world- so they salivate at the mouth to be considered " important " or " recognized " even if it means selling out the chance to accept real truth to do so. They become accomplices with any unethical actions the WT Society GB takes. Really sad . They don't even realize that they are enslaved. Their minds have been turned into silly putty molded by WT Society rhetoric. Be glad we are free thinkers my friend ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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New lyrics to a song, are they too strong? looking for feedback

by Greybeard in

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i’m addicted to love.

i’m addicted to the big o .

so all you hypocrites .

flipper

Nice job Greybeard. Powerful lyrics but songwriters need to openly express themselves. I've written several songs about gaining freedom from the WT organization that are quite direct as well. Leave no stone unturned my friend. You are healing yourself in a therapeutic manner and we never know who else we may help to heal in the process. Feel no guilt, feel no fear, feel, live, and write about freedom of mind. I've got a song right now cooking in the oven titled " Tear off These Chains " I'm currently working on. Music is a healing force my friend continue to heal yourself and others ! Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Hey ya'll! My first post. Please help. In need of advice/comfort.

by Stepford Wife in

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hey ya'll!

i have been lurking for years on this site and others but never had the courage to post anything.

actually i was afraid of posting on an apostate site in the event i was wrong.

flipper

Stepford Wife - You certainly have your hands full- and that's putting it mildly. I agree with many here who say NOT to meet with the elders. They are trained by the WT Society to coerce you into a corner and box you in until they get you to spill the beans with information they can nail you with so as to judge you worthy of a judicial committee. It's true that they will TRY to find something to use against you in order to justify bringing you up for a JC meeting. So don't meet with them, just tell them you are doing fine on your own and that if you ever need their help- you will let them know in the future.

Also- Seriously think about your husband crying if you took a life saving blood transfusion . I mean WTF ? That tells you all you need to know about where the WT organization is in HIS priorities in life and the fact that he's more concerned about losing his elders position than his wife losing her life ! Did I say the WT Society is a high control , mind control organization - if I didn't I just did. This organization steals away ANY authentic, humane, empathetic personality that people have and replaces it with a WT Society first personality that loses all manners , civility , or ethical treatment of others. Your husband is seriously controlled.

If you intend to make your marriage work in spite of your differences I would suggest not talking to the elders and even staying low on your husbands radar concerning talking to him about your doubts. If you don't World war 3 may begin and your marriage will be on a short leash. Unless of course you WANT to blow the whole thing up- then speak your mind and talk away . Your future is in your hands to some extent. We are here as a support to you my friend, it's not easy I know- been there done that. Been out of the Witnesses going on 13 years now- happiest times of my life . Hang in there, take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Books I read when I deprogrammed

by OrphanCrow in

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blondie suggested someone start a thread with a list of books that are valuable to read when exiting the jws.. i will start.. i left the jws way back in the early 70s and didn't actually deprogram until into the 80s.. one of the first books i read was "the orwellian world of jehovah's witnesses" by gary and heather botting.

canadian exjws from calagary.

an excellent book and one that still resonates with young people today.

flipper

I agree with Sail Away and another poster who stated Steve Hassan's 3 books really helped them. In fact I would say that Steve Hassan's books helped me move on from the JW cult even more so than Ray Franz's books- Franz's books just confirmed my suspicions about what was going on behind the scenes at WT headquarters- Hassan's books helped me to understand HOW the WT Society was able to pull off the mind control over us- helped me understand the whole psychology behind mind control.

I feel Hassan's books are a MUST read for every exiting JW to thoroughly understand how they were duped . It also helps a person understand that ANYBODY can be mind controlled and assisted me to forgive myself for taking until age 44 to wake up and exit.

Steve Hassan's 3 books are : 1. Combatting Cult Mind Control copyright 1990 2. Releasing the Bonds- Empowering People to Think for Themselves copyright 2000 3. Freedom of Mind - Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs.

I feel that if more exiting JW's and DFed JW's read Hassan's books they would be less inclined to go back to the WT organization Jehovah's Witnesses as they would see the reality of WT mind control techniques and be aware of how they were deceived. I find it amazing many times that an ex-JW can still be under WT mind control YEARS after leaving the JW cult. To me- it always comes back to not informing or educating themselves about the reality of how serious WT mind control has infected their minds. Once a person is aware of it and admits it- only then can they move on in life- in my opinion

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