Posts by flipper

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Brave high school student exposes abuse and corruption within Jehovahs witnesses

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvt_gyq-ls&feature=youtu.be.

flipper

My god, what a beautiful, courageous young woman. I cried some tears at the end to be sure. What a brave , upright, just, kind thing for her to share with her classmates. If only one of them is protected and prevented from joining the Jehovah's Witness cult and possibly sharing this information and you tube with other young people or others- it's a successful sharing of information.

WT Society is a criminal organization that needs to be exposed. With this brave young woman doing this as well as others the WT Society will continue to be exposed for it's crimes. My heart aches for this young lady, her mom and others here and elsewhere who have suffered so much- including myself. Thanks for sharing this Watchtower-Free - a very important you tube indeed

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Armageddon in 1975 'probability' or 'possibility'? Irrefutable Proof the Watchtower Said 1975 Was "Game Over!"

by PhilsWager2 in

it's hard to know where to put this link to a polish book some of you older members probably read, while our newer members are seeking answers to questions the watchtower vehemently deny's!

do i put this under "jw scandals" or "jw beliefs"?

for decades without the internet many of us did not have access to all the publications written by early watchtower writers because access was hard, only men like raymond franz jr(god rest his brave soul) had the golden key for entering the library of all publications jws made.. can some of the older members remember people who sold their homes and others who bought things in the summer or fall of 1974 knowing they won't be paying for their purchases because jehovah will destroy all the creditors records when he kills them!

flipper

I was a young teenager in 1975 and I remember Circuit Overseers like Floyd Kite coming around giving really fanatical, exciteable talks telling the congregation that in 1974 that " whether or not we will have another assembly in this system of things or not- we don't know- but Jehovah willing we may be having our next district convention in Paradise next year ! " Crazy statements like those kinds of statements whipped up a frenzy of false anticipation within JW's at that time and made people even MORE excited to go out knocking on doors trying to allegedly " save people's lives ". I was one of those young JW's that got whipped into a frenzy at that time as well because my dad was an elder and way back then I bought into the crap- it's what I was raised with.

I remember as a young 15 year old in one month in my summer vacation getting in 102 hours in service one month and placing 212 magazines in one month. I look back now and I think " what a fanatic nutcase I was ! " But I was caught up in the group hysteria that was sweeping through ALL JW's at that time. And we have WT leaders, overzealous C.O.'s and D.O.'s to thank for it. Before the decade of the 1970's was over I was in my late teens spending time trying to date my JW girlfriend and figure how to be alone in back seats of cars with her more than pioneering or going out in service. Went back to getting 10 hours a month in and got married at 19 years old in 1979 ! LOL.

So the old " hysteria " thing only works so long on so many people . As Barnum said, " you can fool some of the people some of the time, but can't fool all of the people all of the time. " Now we finally have our freedom of mind and THAT is what I treasure

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Who Is Your Favorite Late Show Talk Host Of All Time?

by minimus in

jw
friends

johnny carson is still the king.

i thought jay leno was very funny.

letterman did nothing for me.

flipper

Johnny Carson was the best in who I liked. As Desirous mentioned he had such a quick wit and quick humor you didn't need to " think " if he made you laugh- you just did. Carson's guests were incredible Don Rickles, Rodney Dangerfield, lots of off the wall comedians as well which kept the show interesting and moving. I think Jimmy Fallon is really good and in time if he sticks around he may one day get near to what Carson was- but I doubt it. Carson was an original , don't think we'll see another talk show host like him

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JWs and their views on Sex

by campaign of hate in

in the past i have read on this forum that the wt have a say in the "bedroom" of couples.

i thought that was a bit overkill at first, but recently i have come to conclusion that this is true.. the control administered by the wt cooperation on ones sex life is not on only intrusive, its damaging.

they control every aspect of ones thought and action, thus leading most down a path that said corporation wants them to tread.. this path is to get married young, and then eternal loyalty the the organisation.. so how can an organisation force you to get married young?.

flipper

The intrusion into our sex lives that comes from the time we get into the JW cult until we finally exit the cult is absolutely ridiculous. When I was a 13 year old teenager my then elder dad sat me down with another " fatherless boy " in the congregation sharing the stupid WT article in 1973 titled, " Breaking Free from Self Abuse " . It was like I said to myself in my own thoughts, " hell yes I masturbate and it feels good ! What the hell is so " abusive " about it " ? I mean this wasn't the freaking 1800' s where people still felt you go " blind " if you masturbate - right ? But the archaic attitudes and stuffy , prudish WT Society views drove me crazy.

Like many other born-in JW's I married quite young to my JW ex-wife at age 19, she was barely 18 years old. Jeez, I barely shaved for Christ sakes. But the reason we married young was because we dated for almost 3 years and we were busting at the seams wanting to have sex - so in JW land it IS the compelling reason that teenage marriages happen. You'll get DFed if you experiment first before marriage- so a lot of young JW marriages happen for all the wrong reasons. Then you get told that the " threefold cord " is there- Jehovah the perv is sitting up on your bedpost making sure that you and your wife don't orally please each other otherwise you'll be considered " unclean " . Remember how back in Leviticus in the Bible they even sent women away to go wash and be considered " unclean " during their monthly cycle ? I mean- anything regarding sex between men and women is considered " dirty " or " unclean ". It's so weird.

So fast forward to right before my JW wife and I broke up. After 19 years of marriage we experimented with the joys of oral gratification of giving to each other, me more to her . She willingly participated . Then she felt guilty about it and without telling me - called the elders to come " talk " to us about it . Then she proceeded to call my good JW buddies from my past telling them that I made her feel " dirty " like I had molested her . But it was mutual- she was a willing participant - yet she lied and said I forced it on her. The elders told her that she needed to go to a counselor as she HAD been molested by her JW uncles as a young teenager. She looked the elders in the eyes with a hateful look and said, " I don't NEED professional counseling ! It's my stepmom or my husband who need counseling ! I'm fine. " With a crazed look in her eyes. Fortunately we divorced within a year and at the age of 40 I was able to resume a normal sex life again AFTER leaving the JW organization.

I will never, ever allow an organization to dictate my sex life again. It literally destroyed my first marriage with the WT Society's intrusive, " dirty " views of sex. Sex is a beautiful thing between people who care for one another. It's natural, doesn't have to be complicated. I swear to God- I could write a book with how this organization abused me and thousands of others. No more

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Help? :(

by BlackWolf in

i apologize for how rantish this is but please hear me out.

anyways i'm a 15 year old girl and i've never really wanted to be a jw.

its just never been something thats made me feel happy or loved.

flipper

BLACK WOLF- Welcome to the board here ! Nice to hear from you, you are among friends who understand. Do you have any non-JW relatives or close friends with nice, caring parents who understand your situation who might give you emotional support ? It would be good to surround yourself with those authentic, truly caring people as much as possible.

I realize at age 15 you are still living in your parents home- but it's never too early to plan on your future. As some mentioned start saving your money, get a part time job if you are able in your time off from school and plan on a college education. If you are getting assistance with your anorexia problem that's a good thing, keep getting help there either physically from a doctor or counseling to assist you. And keep listening to music my friend ! Music is a healer , I play music and I listen to it ! It's helped me through some hard times indeed. Just remember we are all here for you as a support, O.K. ? Hang in there, take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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The Thrill Is Gone and so is B.B. King- the REAL King

by flipper in

jw
friends

i know there's another thread about this specially talented musician's passing- but this guy was a torch carrier from the old bluesmen like muddy waters, howlin wolf, john lee hooker, and lightnin' hopkins who made chuck berry millions of $$$$$$ and collaborated with rock n rollers like bono of u2 .

these old bluesmen from the 1940's deserve all the credit for the babv that the blues ended up giving birth to- rock and roll music.

any comments are appreciated and welcome for b.b., music, or the blues in general pour your heart out.

flipper

BROKEBACK WATCHTOWER- True indeed. I have B.B.'s Anthology CD with about 40 songs on it, some of them live performances as well. A truly soulful , magnificent performer and musician. Thanks for the you tube my friend.

ORPHAN CROW- Indeed Sonny Terry and Brownie McGee were a couple more old blues performers who were magnificent. Thanks for the you tube ! I too am a HUGE blues fan ! Been listening to a lot of Peter Green's guitar work the original guitarist of the original Fleetwood Mac as a blues group in the 1960's lately. Cool stuff.

LV101- Wow, so he lived and died in Vegas ? I didn't know that, cool.

BREAKFAST of CHAMPIONS- I'm glad to hear that you saw B.B. perform live too. I got that privilege in the year 2000 when he performed in the Sacramento , CA. area . Really soulful performer.

TWITCH- Indeed, a true musical icon is dead. The true King is dead. He was an original for sure

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2015 Convention Releases

by wifibandit in

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/jw-convention-releases-2015/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc7cyswlvwg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfmuamqiv4k.

flipper

OUBLIETTE- " Jabba the frog turd " . I about spewed my coffee on the computer screen ! I love it ! LOL ! Hilarious. Thanks for making my day- that's classic

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2015 Convention Releases

by wifibandit in

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/jw-convention-releases-2015/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc7cyswlvwg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfmuamqiv4k.

flipper

Oh my holy Fuc---- God. Have the creators at Disney Studio's taken over the WT Society Writing or Creativity Department ? These guys HAVE to be dropping acid to make these kinds of terminally weird cartoons. This is so creepy. So is Lett himself. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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"So you are an atheist. So would you kill me if it were to your advantage?"

by OnTheWayOut in

jw
friends

i worked a different shift.

i knew the people i worked with, but not as well as i could have.. anyway, religion comes up.

one guy mentions in front of another that i wrote a book about my religious experience.

flipper

OTWO, this dude's about as clueless as they come to ask you that question. Working with you, anyone with a fraction of a brain would know the kind of person you are.

Having been out of religion, God, and other superstitions for my whole adult life I can't count the times I've gotten that attitude and it still really pisses me off.

On a brighter note, see you soon!

Mrs. Flip

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"Be Kind to the Fornicators in the Congregation!" -- New August Watchtower

by FusionTheism in

have you noticed the article entitled "watch your associations in these last days" in the new august 2015 study watchtower?.

unless i'm reading it wrong, or somehow misinterpreting it, it is saying that we should be kind to intentional breakers of god's laws inside and outside the congregation, including fornicators, but that we must not be close associates with them.. are they already preparing for a shift in their disfellowshipping practices?.

here are the relevant paragraphs:.

flipper

My first thought on seeing the title "Be kind to fornicators" was that what they really mean is don't speak out about all the pedophiles.

Mrs. Flipper