new to this site.
was wondering in southwest area of us is there any one that would know of way to get-to-gether w/ ones possibly i knew all in growing up lets say in callifornia or nevada from the 1970s to present?
i would love to see if any one else was able to leave because of all that was found out about this organization.
Welcome! In July every year we have an "Apostafest" at Lake Tahoe - most camp out but some stay in motels.
Lots of people from the west, southwest, also some from Chicago, Indiana, other points east. It is a really nice time for 2 or 3 days.
PM for more info, also Flipper has a threat going about it. Mrs. Flipper
first time, been lurking for years, but i asked my husband who has been studying for 20 plus years if he has ever questioned those that were "teaching" him.
blew my mind.
i ask him all the questions that you have asked yourself, but he will not ask them.
Hey, lost his mind, you stated a good thread here. There is a thread on the front page "Heartbreaking talk with my Parents", bumped up after 2 years. This same story has been posted on this forum many times by many people. This is why so many JW's don't leave.
The denial of JW's is incredibly strong - they will insist to the public that there's no shunning, child abuse, male domination, etc. (Or that it's only a minor problem).
To Brother Jeramy - I welcome you posting here. But I certainly can not agree with you about the JWs. I know too much about them. I'd be willing to bet you are in so you don't lose loved ones.
You won't get much agreement on this board as far as giving the JW mindset equal consideration. Most here have had the blinders ripped off and are painfully aware of how harmful the religion is. But your posting is valuable, to illustrate such a different mindset.
I was done with religion by my teens and couldn't have cared less about any of them until I learned about the watchtower when I met Flipper. Now I will go out of my way to help someone get out with their health and sanity intact, and I'm not a particularly energetic person. I cant let slide excuses made for the JW's, even to be polite.
Also, welcome to Rebelfighter, hope you post more.
Mrs. Flipper
first time, been lurking for years, but i asked my husband who has been studying for 20 plus years if he has ever questioned those that were "teaching" him.
blew my mind.
i ask him all the questions that you have asked yourself, but he will not ask them.
BROTHER JERAMY- Your statement, " I encouraged her to LOOK INTO HER OWN ATTITUDE AND BEHAVIOR , rather than just her husband's , as contributing factors to the problems......... " I rest my case. You made my point. She's the " source of his problems " IS what you're insinuating.
Look - By addressing this as HER needing to adjust HER attitude - it helps YOU to justify that the Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs couldn't POSSIBLY be any of the problem between her and her husband. I helps YOU to feel more secure within your JW mentality that " nope - the JW cult can't be wrong - it's the unbelieving lady's misunderstanding of her husband's beliefs that is wrong. "
Which is the SAME patriarchal JW elder attitude of " man first, woman second" viewpoints that are taken by JW elders in telling JW women to STAY with an abusive JW husband and take physical or emotional abuse for years on end and then elders telling JW women " maybe YOU need to make changes sister and be more in subjection to your husband ! "
I saw this BS attitude for 44 years inside the criminal organization Jehovah's Witnesses elders and WT Society making women feel like lesser citizens and I won't tolerate calling you out that to make yourself comfortable in your twisted JW belief system - you are doing the same thing to this poster in a more subtle fashion . My older JW sister stayed with an abusive JW husband for 20 years and the elders told her " it was her fault, what was SHE doing to make him abusive. She wasn't submissive enough. " ?? That's called gaslighting making someone feel they are in the wrong when in fact they are not.
This poster doesn't need to make any changes other than not listening to your advice to make her feel unnecessary " guilt "
first time, been lurking for years, but i asked my husband who has been studying for 20 plus years if he has ever questioned those that were "teaching" him.
blew my mind.
i ask him all the questions that you have asked yourself, but he will not ask them.
BROTHER JERAMY- My wife was and is correct in her assessment of the way you reason on things. You claim you are being " respectful " to this newer poster - however - you are casting her in a bad light by stating " perhaps you may wish to consider the possibility that your husband ( with his pro-JW stance - isn't the ONLY source of the problems you're experiencing. " Translation : She may be the source of his problems - THAT is what you're insinuating. You use double speak and innuendo's that cult mind controlled people use from any mind control cult.
At least I'm honest and call you out on your crap. This is a new board member who deserves support and all you are doing is trying to make her feel " guilty " for how she is feeling. She has no need to feel " guilty " about anything. Once again - an old trick used by people controlled by mind control cults. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
first time, been lurking for years, but i asked my husband who has been studying for 20 plus years if he has ever questioned those that were "teaching" him.
blew my mind.
i ask him all the questions that you have asked yourself, but he will not ask them.
To our new poster "Lost his mind" - welcome from Mrs. Flipper. We would love to see you at Tahoe.
We get apologists here occasionally trying to defend the watchtower - I'd like to see your thread not get derailed by it. But it is interesting to see that mentality at work.
Myself, I was never a JW, and I see some of this stuff from a different perspective. Brother J. seemed to be talking to you the way a lot of JW men talk to women. And where the majority of posters here will offer support, the apologists are usually trying to convince everyone, including themselves, to stick to the old cult beliefs.
Yeah, I guess I get wound up about that stuff. Anyway, welcome - wish you better times ahead. PM if you'd like to talk. Mrs. Flip
first time, been lurking for years, but i asked my husband who has been studying for 20 plus years if he has ever questioned those that were "teaching" him.
blew my mind.
i ask him all the questions that you have asked yourself, but he will not ask them.
first time, been lurking for years, but i asked my husband who has been studying for 20 plus years if he has ever questioned those that were "teaching" him.
blew my mind.
i ask him all the questions that you have asked yourself, but he will not ask them.
as some of you know i was given pdf files of much of the conti and lopez child abuse court cases and asked from a friend to peruse through it and post some excerpts on the board here that may have been missed or not addressed in the pbs newshour report or the abc news nightline report.
so after going through this richard ashe testimony i feel i found something quite interesting that exposes the real attitudes of the wt society leaders towards child abuse and the attitudes wt leaders put into it's appointed men's minds as well.
the viewpoint that richard ashe displays is repeated in elders throughout thousands of jw congregations on this planet.
WIFIBANDIT- So it seems like Richard Ashe IS very involved in upper echelon things going on in WT land. Being on the service committee and all. But man oh man, just reading his court testimony you can still tell he is so freaking mind controlled it's pathetic.
DATA-DOG- Good point you bring out. I wonder what kind of backlash he is getting from his WT superiors for his court testimony ? And like you say if they are throwing him under the bus I wonder how they are doing that ? I'm sure he's just a fall guy for the big boys of the WT Society. Sacrificial lamb as you will
i've just signed up two days ago, but i've been lurking for about a year and a half.
here's my story if you're interested:.
my parents converted when they were in their first semester of college.
i've just signed up two days ago, but i've been lurking for about a year and a half.
here's my story if you're interested:.
my parents converted when they were in their first semester of college.
