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  Hello, just introducing myself

  by Miss Behaving in

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  i've just signed up two days ago, but i've been lurking for about a year and a half.

  here's my story if you're interested:.

  my parents converted when they were in their first semester of college.

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  MISS BEHAVING- Welcome to the board, Nice to have you here. Although I'm sorry that you've experienced the shunning and ill treatment for only wanting to think for yourself- I'm glad that you cherish your freedom of mind. That's how I felt back in 2003 when I stopped attending at age 44 after being born and raised in a very devout JW family as well. And I was the youngest child of 4 of us kids too. LOL. I'm the only sibling that escaped ! Please know that we are here as a support system for you and many of us here do understand. We've lived it and many still are. But we are survivors of a mind control cult. We have our minds intact and our freedom. What more could we ask for ? Hang in there my friend, it will get better in time. Take care and congratulations on getting a college degree ! You are to be high fived and given kudos ! I'm proud of you
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  Richard Ashe Court Deposition - " Let elders handle child abuse- don't talk about it "

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  as some of you know i was given pdf files of much of the conti and lopez child abuse court cases and asked from a friend to peruse through it and post some excerpts on the board here that may have been missed or not addressed in the pbs newshour report or the abc news nightline report.

  so after going through this richard ashe testimony i feel i found something quite interesting that exposes the real attitudes of the wt society leaders towards child abuse and the attitudes wt leaders put into it's appointed men's minds as well.

  the viewpoint that richard ashe displays is repeated in elders throughout thousands of jw congregations on this planet.

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  Wanted to bump this up in case any weekenders had missed it. Thanks for any and all replies
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  Are Jehovah`s Witnesses a CULT?

  by Driving Force in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  steven hassen is a well known name for many, if you do not know him google can help.

  this information is certainly not new, but as almost every exjw has deep affection and concern for active jws it is certainly my wish and i hope the wish of other exjws that any active jw considers this information.

  this information cannot be deemed as apostate, it is just stating the opinion of someone who has spent much of his adult life in helping people to realize what a cult is.

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  Yes, Jehovah's Witnesses are a dangerous cult that is controlled by the WT Society leaders - whoever the hell those REAL leaders are . Everybody should do research on that to protect themselves
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  Why doe New light tick me off???? Next 2 weeks WT Studies

  by zophar in

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  2. friends

  if you have been a jw for 20+ years you may remember that the wt went into great detail on different illustrations that jesus used and the "type/anti-type" ridiculous explanations.

  remember the revelation book and how those obscure jw conventions of the past pictured big things in heaven and the opening of seals?

  anyway, the wt lessons for the next two weeks do two big things for me.

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  WT Society leaders have always been messed up. They do not have the humility to EVER admit error or mistakes. They are a bunch of arrogant pompous a-holes who keep throwing doctrinal shit up onto the wall to see if it sticks. If it doesn't stick they just throw more up there and glue it on. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  "The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

  by Alive! in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

  really?

  and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

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  BROTHER JERAMY- Whether you want to recognize it, or however you want to whitewash it ; you ARE under the influence of WT cult mind control. The fact that you are trying to teach some " newer " JW's that they can play the game of appearing as Witnesses and yet be insincere about the beliefs of the Witnesses really puts you on par with the insincerity of the GB of whom some of them really don't believe their own BS. Where's the difference between you and them ? The very fact that you feel that you have some special entrusted powers to baptize somebody yourself is an indication that you seem to be under the impression you have special powers connecting you to the alleged "holy spirit " and even are creating your own cult within the JW cult calling it " Family " .

  Why not just make a clean break and fade as an inactive JW and pursue your own beliefs without having to be divided with your time, energy, and efforts ? You still give the appearance of supporting the WT Society by going out in service- thus they still control you. Especially if you are sitting at their mind indoctrination meetings- the WT rhetoric will still bleed into your neurotransmitters in your brain. It's in your subconscious you just won't admit it
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  Richard Ashe Court Deposition - " Let elders handle child abuse- don't talk about it "

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  as some of you know i was given pdf files of much of the conti and lopez child abuse court cases and asked from a friend to peruse through it and post some excerpts on the board here that may have been missed or not addressed in the pbs newshour report or the abc news nightline report.

  so after going through this richard ashe testimony i feel i found something quite interesting that exposes the real attitudes of the wt society leaders towards child abuse and the attitudes wt leaders put into it's appointed men's minds as well.

  the viewpoint that richard ashe displays is repeated in elders throughout thousands of jw congregations on this planet.

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  ILLUMINATED - You are exactly right. WT leaders are very good BS artists. They don't care one bit about the rank & file JW's or safety of children.

  VIDIOT- I agree with what you're saying. If big names of higher up WT Society men were released or exposed as being child molesters and it came out in the news I believe lots of JW parents with children would start questioning things . And some would walk away from the organization as you stated. But the heavily mind controlled fanatics would chalk it up to " persecution " from the media. Of course, right ? But we need to keep banging that drum making people aware of the WT Society's criminal behavior
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  Richard Ashe Court Deposition - " Let elders handle child abuse- don't talk about it "

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  as some of you know i was given pdf files of much of the conti and lopez child abuse court cases and asked from a friend to peruse through it and post some excerpts on the board here that may have been missed or not addressed in the pbs newshour report or the abc news nightline report.

  so after going through this richard ashe testimony i feel i found something quite interesting that exposes the real attitudes of the wt society leaders towards child abuse and the attitudes wt leaders put into it's appointed men's minds as well.

  the viewpoint that richard ashe displays is repeated in elders throughout thousands of jw congregations on this planet.

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  ON THE WAY OUT- Indeed Richard Ashe contradicted himself often in his testimony. He's learned from the best in the business the GB and WT higher ups. I believe background checks should occur too before appointing elders- but as you state that will never happen. Then it would really show that the alleged " holy spirit " isn't running this operation. And I agree with you- WT needs to start treating child abuse accusations like they would murder accusations. To do any less is an insult to children and their parents.

  DESIROUS of CHANGE- Elders aren't trained for anything other than following the WT leaders orders. You know - like good, er , bad Nazi soldiers.

  DATA-DOG- As you mentioned WT Society will probably never take the time to do background checks as they are too arrogant to feel they need to be double checked on anything. It's all about their feeling of entitlement that prevents them from obeying the law in the first place.

  JW LEAKS- Thanks for the reference to the " straw man " argument style. Exactly what Richard Ashe was doing.

  RETROVIRUS- Yeah, by insisting on the asinine " two witness rule " - WT Society definitely sets child abuse victims up to suffer in silence. It's criminal and disgusting.

  CHA CHING- Good point. Not being in their best interest could very well be interpreted as " getting DFed. " Good point.

  TRUTHSEEKERIAM- You bring up a really good point that by silencing victims of child abuse- it definitely empowers child molesters and pedophiles to get away with even more crimes. WT Society is training elders to aid and abet felony crimes within their congregations. Pretty sick.

  POKERPLAYERPHIL- WT Society only cares about the bottom line- following WT legal department orders and preventing financial loss to the WT organization. Whether WT leaders commit crimes or not- it's irrelevant to WT legal or WT leaders. Just save face and APPEAR to the public to have an air of " respectability ". WT leaders and WT attorneys as well as Ashe perjured themselves many times on the stand in court- but to them it's just " theocratic warfare " to defeat the " worldly authorities "

  Be back to answer pg. 2 in awhile.
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  Richard Ashe Court Deposition - " Let elders handle child abuse- don't talk about it "

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  as some of you know i was given pdf files of much of the conti and lopez child abuse court cases and asked from a friend to peruse through it and post some excerpts on the board here that may have been missed or not addressed in the pbs newshour report or the abc news nightline report.

  so after going through this richard ashe testimony i feel i found something quite interesting that exposes the real attitudes of the wt society leaders towards child abuse and the attitudes wt leaders put into it's appointed men's minds as well.

  the viewpoint that richard ashe displays is repeated in elders throughout thousands of jw congregations on this planet.

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  Been working a lot lately, finally have a little time to reply to you folks. Thanks so much for the great responses ! Really interesting observations.

  KAIROS- I'll post some more threads in a couple weeks or so from other documents I have downloaded. WT Society is running scared indeed. I don't know if they are in a free fall- but they are against the ropes being pounded by a boxer called " information access" from the Internet.

  VIDIOT- Richard Ashe and all the other higher ups in the WT organization are really good at compartmentalizing the information and hiding information as well. They've been trained to ONLY reveal what is necessary to courts - and even then it's like pulling hen's teeth to get anything out of them. You make a good point about JW's not wanting to hear it because it will undermine their " trust " or " faith " in the WT organization. You hit a nail on the head there for sure.

  BREAKFAST of CHAMPIONS- Indeed not surprising, but interesting to see the total callousness of Richard Ashe and WT leaders.

  TERRY- Good point you make- NO elders are trained to be counselors regarding child abuse issues. They don't have educated training from universities or majors in psychology or mental health training. WT is ludicrous in claiming to have " trained elders " - only thing they are trained in is going along with WT leaders directions.

  WIFIBANDIT- You are welcome. I would have loved to see all of Richard Ashe's testimony as well. At least I read it. Just sharing the juicy parts here.

  CRAZYGUY- That's disgusting what happened to that rape victim. Just disgusting. It's so common in the JW organization though that the victim gets blamed.

  Gotta take a break, be back later to reply to the rest of the comments
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  "The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

  by Alive! in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

  really?

  and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

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  The more any current JW researches on the Internet they will be exposed to or given access to much information indicating that the WT Society is a criminal organization. It cannot be denied anymore. People may try to deny it- but a rose is a rose is a rose. Any who stay within the organization and realize it's criminal - are really just deluding themselves into the old " ignorance is bliss " syndrome and being untrue to their own inner sense of well being or not heeding their conscience pricking at them. It's certainly an unhealthy way to live mentally , emotionally, or physically
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  Attention Lurkers- what the org is really doing

  by stuckinamovement in

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  2. friends

  the message has changed dramatically from the good news of the kingdom and imitation of jesus to the following:.

  1. keep your eye simple and try to find a low paying part time job so you can pioneer.

  such jobs might be janitorial or house cleaning, yard care, etc.

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  Any lurkers reading this. Please educate yourself on the Internet by doing research into the criminal activity of the WT Society. It's not hard to find out about it. Then you may see why the WT Society is so interested in wanting more donations. Please google Candace Conti child abuse. Or Irwin Zalkin WT child abuse. He's an attorney who is representing MANY JW children victims of abuse right now. You will find that the WT Society has been dishonest about revealing their child abuse problem to the courts. Lies have been told and the TRUTH about how bad child abuse is happening within the JW organization is being hidden from you- rank & file Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Do yourself a favor and find out the real truth about the alleged " truth " today. Do not hesitate or delay. The rest of your life is there for you to live and NOT for the WT leaders to steal away. You may find out where your donations have been going. Take care, we are here for you. The WT leaders are not there for you. They want to " use " you