Posts by flipper

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Jehovah cult kicked me out - but not the man who raped me,' victim claims

by defender of truth in

positions of trusta jehovahs witness spokesman said: we have tried to educate families to try and educate and protect their children, so that children can protect themselves if they find themselves in a situation.if jehovahs were found to have abused someone if they are in a position of trust they would no longer have a position of trust.asked why about the claims sewell had not been kicked out of the jehovahs the spokesman insisted we cant comment on specific situations.we dont give out personal information, he said.http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovah-cult-kicked-out---8891636

flipper

Disgusting. Once again a pedophile gets to remain a JW inside the congregation in good standing as the WT Society puts it's own judgments of a person's character above the laws of the land. Amazing, very dangerous

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Attitudes of WT Society Leaders Towards " Rights " of Child Abuse Victims and Elders

by flipper in

these excerpts i'm sharing with you are from the july 1st, 1989 letter from the wt society to the elders and it gives outsiders a good idea of the attitude of the wt society leaders towards child abuse victims and even towards their own appointed elders.

and it shows wt society is first, foremost, and mainly concerned about financial fallout from potential lawsuits.

one short quote was used from this letter on the abc news nightline report about candace conti - but what i'm going to share with you will be other excerpts from that same letter that are just as, or even more revealing.

flipper

XANTHIPPE- I agree completely with you. WT leaders ARE despicable in their deploring and putting down people's " Rights " by insinuating those " rights " are something that they don't deserve. Like you state- we are living in the 21st century for Christ's sakes and people throughout history have fought for freedom, justice, and equality between humans - and for the WT Society to put into writing that alleged " rights " are something to be minimized or avoided means that WT leaders are no different than the 19th century slave owners in this country who stole the freedom away and abused the African -American race or how the United States abused the Native American race of people .

By enslaving people's minds in bondage to unrealities and then throwing their children under the bus by protecting pedophiles within their congregations the leaders of this WT organization have indeed become slave owners who have no real human empathy for victims of child abuse at all. They are right on par with slave owners and abusive U.S. Cavalry in the 19th century. Good post Xanthippe- I agree completely with you.

4THGEN- Thanks, it's an important topic that needs to be emphasized. I'm going to try to expose this as much as I can. I know like you stated - me being raised up from birth as a JW and finally exiting 11 years ago at age 44 - I felt I was being raised in a " safe haven " - but when I exited and discovered all the criminal child abuse going on and being hidden - I felt like you, used to promote false illusions for the WT Society. It made ME feel dirty for awhile until I realized that it wasn't MY fault we were ALL duped by a criminal organization posing as a nice religion. WT Society is really an evil organization masquerading as an allegedly " respectable " organization- and that makes them even MORE dangerous because they hide their crimes so well. But a new day is dawning and they can hide no more. WT crimes are getting exposed more each year

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I'm the one who needs to "come to his senses" ?????

by Phizzy in

i was in conversation a few weeks back with a jw i have known for at least four decades.

most of it was catching up on family stuff, he has loads of kids, some have married and produced sprogs since i left.

all news to me.. i demolished a couple of his fatuous arguments, and then he decided to scuttle away, throwing this over his shoulder as he went :.

flipper

PHIZZY- It is incredible the JW's views that they have truly. Most of my still inside JW family - except for my mom- look at ME as the one who needs to get my " head screwed on straight " - they won't even accept or even sniff at the idea that THEY are deluded.

I think you should have said what you wanted to say to him. Not a matter of being nice- ( you can talk to him in a firm, but polite way ) it's a matter of being straight up and honest towards him telling him what he needs to know as opposed to what he WANTS to know. I did that in a conversation with my mom the other day when she said my JW daughter who is 28 told my mom that . " I hope my dad starts going back to meetings and comes back to the " truth ". " I explained to my JW mom that I'm IN the " truth " . That I'm a very truthful person. In fact I'm more truthful now in my life 11 years removed from being a JW than I've EVER been in my life ! I'm very honest and truthful and real in my dealings with others. " She agreed once I told her that- but JW's are conditioned to think WE are all " mentally diseased " and I feel that we can show them differently when they challenge that. Whether they accept what we say is up to them- but I won't allow myself to be insulted from them face to face anymore. I will call them on their disrespect. But I do it in a way that leaves their dignity intact

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Jehovah Witness man Attacks TSA agent with machete in U.S airport- Made National news

by Newly Enlightened in

yes they did say he was a jw in this news report:.

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/authorities-try-to-determine-new-orleans-airport-machete-attacker-s-motive-416322627620.

flipper

Yeah it really is amazing how crazy the reasoning was inside this person. It's like, " Yeah, I can chop someone's head off with a machete and commit murder, but I have to stay faithful to Jehovah if I get hurt and not receive a life saving blood transfusion. " Unbelievable. Insanity completely. Very sad

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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse

by flipper in

so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.

this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.

so today the gloves came off.

flipper

Going to bump this up if some weekenders had not read it. Thanks for any input you have

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Attitudes of WT Society Leaders Towards " Rights " of Child Abuse Victims and Elders

by flipper in

these excerpts i'm sharing with you are from the july 1st, 1989 letter from the wt society to the elders and it gives outsiders a good idea of the attitude of the wt society leaders towards child abuse victims and even towards their own appointed elders.

and it shows wt society is first, foremost, and mainly concerned about financial fallout from potential lawsuits.

one short quote was used from this letter on the abc news nightline report about candace conti - but what i'm going to share with you will be other excerpts from that same letter that are just as, or even more revealing.

flipper

FISHERMAN- The WT has NOT had it rough from the start. The WT has MADE it rough on it's own members from the start by breaking up families and keeping policies and doctrines that cost people their lives. The WT is a " closed " society that has intentionally cut itself off from reality and the real issues we deal with in this real world

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Jehovah Witness man Attacks TSA agent with machete in U.S airport- Made National news

by Newly Enlightened in

yes they did say he was a jw in this news report:.

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/authorities-try-to-determine-new-orleans-airport-machete-attacker-s-motive-416322627620.

flipper

Proof positive that there are crazy people in this cult - due to the fact the JW cult drives them crazy. But there are crazy people everywhere . But according to the story he had mental illness before his family said. Then if the family were JW's they should have gotten him help with a therapist or psychiatrist. When any of these people go ape shit it's usually due to the fact that their relatives, friends, or people who know them have dropped the ball in getting them help. Many of these sociopaths or psychopaths fall through the cracks because people are scared shitless and just ignore the problem. Then everybody gets surprised when 40 children are murdered in a school or 20 are murdered in theatres as has happened in recent years. We can blame the guy who is crazy of course- but blame our society for letting idiots like this roam free by ignoring the signs on the wall. My 2 cents

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Attitudes of WT Society Leaders Towards " Rights " of Child Abuse Victims and Elders

by flipper in

these excerpts i'm sharing with you are from the july 1st, 1989 letter from the wt society to the elders and it gives outsiders a good idea of the attitude of the wt society leaders towards child abuse victims and even towards their own appointed elders.

and it shows wt society is first, foremost, and mainly concerned about financial fallout from potential lawsuits.

one short quote was used from this letter on the abc news nightline report about candace conti - but what i'm going to share with you will be other excerpts from that same letter that are just as, or even more revealing.

flipper

SPARROWDOWN- I feel you and hear you. I agree just the tip of the iceberg. WT Society is going to have a rough several years ahead of them. They earned it

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Wife fully awake.

by cappytan in

i learned this past week that my wife is now awake.

i just shared the pbs newshour segment with her with no comment other than something along the lines of, "jw story on pbs.".

she is furious at the arrogance of these men.. thats what happens when you get a momma angry!.

flipper

CAPPYTAN- Fantastic news ! I'm so happy for her and you. A beautiful thing. Good luck in the days and years ahead

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Attitudes of WT Society Leaders Towards " Rights " of Child Abuse Victims and Elders

by flipper in

these excerpts i'm sharing with you are from the july 1st, 1989 letter from the wt society to the elders and it gives outsiders a good idea of the attitude of the wt society leaders towards child abuse victims and even towards their own appointed elders.

and it shows wt society is first, foremost, and mainly concerned about financial fallout from potential lawsuits.

one short quote was used from this letter on the abc news nightline report about candace conti - but what i'm going to share with you will be other excerpts from that same letter that are just as, or even more revealing.

flipper

Thanks for the comments ! Much appreciated.

MAD IRISHMAN- I disagree with you. WT Society's advice is horrid- only looking after it's own financial interests- not the interests of it's individual JW members.

ON THE WAY OUT- Good points you bring out about the breach of confidentiality. If WT leaders would only look at themselves in a mirror. One can only hope.

GIORDANO- Exactly, good points. All we have to do is see the testimony of that elder on you tube on the PBS hour or the ABC Nightline news report about Candace Conti's case when he is stating that they are trained by the WT Society, " not to reveal the confidential talk of another " and that shows right THERE where the load of responsibility falls regarding WHO makes these failed policies. The WT leaders- that's who . So child abuse doesn't get reported to police unless the WT Society DIRECTS elders to report it to the police. Elders are not ALLOWED to make any moves without checking with WT legal department first. So as you said these shoddy non-policies really are exposing the WT Society's selfish, money grubbing side.

DATA-DOG- Exactly. I feel the WT Society IS beginning to " reap what they sow " and it's just the beginning stages in my opinion. We are going to see this child abuse thing blow up huge this year I truly believe.

BLONDIE- Good points. Lots of this child abuse crap is hidden within many churches- however- I feel the difference with the Catholic church was at least the Pope and higher ups ADMITTED that there was a problem with child abuse within their organization. WT leaders won't even SNIFF at an admission of a child abuse problem within their organization. We have GB members like Steve Lett claiming that WE are crazy for saying that the WT Society " protects pedophiles " - his statement, " can you imagine that " ? Indicates surprise when he shouldn't be surprised at all there is a child abuse problem within WT. It's just posturing and a huge cover up to save face in front of 8 million JW's on JW.org and being media savvy enough to know that if he denies it on their private website T.V. - it will push the message into 8 million JW's minds that the child abuse " problem " are all " lies " - allegedly. Pretty shrewd marketing- but dishonest. but what has ever been honest about the WT Society ? Anything ?

STUCKINARUT- " Deny, deny " Blame, blame ". Exactly what WT leaders do.

FINKELSTEIN- Very true, WT leaders want EVERYBODY to stop talking about the child abuse cases - then they feel they will magically disappear. Not this time. Perhaps in the past- but not now. There are too MANY of these cases coming down the turnpike and they will get a lot more media coverage than they used to. Already there has been in the last month the ABC Nightline and PBS News hour coverage and who knows what else is in the works > I think it's important for each of us ex-JW's to verbally let people know in our own communities as well. Indeed- What a " brother " Jonathan Kendrick was shown to be ! LOL. He and his wife were both exposed as frigging cantankerous idiots and jack asses on that ABC Nightline news video. More of that media coverage needs to get out there to show how arrogant these people are.

JAMES MIXON- I think " Bubba " would have a great time with WT leaders in prison. Who knows ? He may get his chance yet .

FISHERMAN- You are wrong. Legally - yes- that IS what the WT Society is saying in their confidential letters to elders that anybody suing the WT Society is considered " disgruntled, " vindictive " , or considered an " opposer " - it's right there in the quote of the 1989 letter to elders. It's NOT my interpretation it's the WT leaders VIEWS in their own words printed. Get your head out of your ass. I don't just ALLEGE that it's a letter from WT to the elders it IS A LETTER from WT to the elders. It's documented in court proceedings as evidence in the Candace Conti court case and I have it downloaded on my PDF file. There is no misrepresentation in the title of my thread. The only misrepresentation of these facts is getting jumbled up in your own mind. You need to read the court documented evidence yourself then you'd know what you are talking about. Until then you have no idea what you are asserting.

LISA ROSE- Exactly- many people are aware that in the WT leaders eyes- JW's have NO rights except to do as they are instructed by WT leaders. As regards your statement, " it is good advice for elders to not divulge confidential matters " - perhaps in judicial matters- but it's NEVER good to keep child abuse confidential within just the circle of elders or WT legal. That information NEEDS to be told to the police authorities whether it's in a reporting state- or not - so that police can do their work of protecting not only the community but the children of JW's and non-JW's. Otherwise the wheels of justice get stuck in the mud of the WT legal department- and that is NOT a good thing