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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

PISTOFF- Good point. It really is a catch 22 situation. It's like ANYTHING that you show JW's that's the slightest bit negative about the WT Society- they perceive it as apostate. They totally turn off their minds or reasoning powers in their brain. It's the drastic effect of the WT mind control.

KANON- You make a VERY good and valid point. The elders are trained to intentionally keep " necessary " information from rank & file JW's as sent to them by the WT Society confidentially - because if elders SHARED this information with the rank & file it would prove that WT Society is lying to the rank & file JW's about child molesters not getting appointed as elders. So then it's easier for the sleazy, dishonest WT leaders to give ONE set of instructions to the elders- while giving a totally OTHER set of information access to the rank & file. Pretty unethical and twisted.

FINKELSTEIN- Very true. WT leaders abuse the power they have in claiming to be on par or on the same level as God- so most rank & file JW's believe this and lap it up like kittens lapping up cream in a bowl. They don't even question the authority the GB has. Which is EXTREMELY dangerous. If the GB told rank & file JW's to jump off a cliff to prove faithful- many would do it. And therein lies the real danger

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How do you respond to JW family?

by Laika in

jw
friends

for those who have left and are still in contact with jw family, how do you usually respond when they bring up jw stuff, i.e.

start talking about the nearness of armageddon or things like that.. i usually say nothing and just let it pass but i'm considering changing tact to something more confrontational, less because i want to change their mind and more because i find it tiresome.

thoughts?

flipper

Well- sometimes I have to be careful depending on WHICH relative I'm talking to. With most of my older aged JW relatives I don't even bother because I know they won't listen- but with my older JW mom- she will listen.

So what I do with her is for example if she brings up , " Oh we know it's getting worse and worse in the world look at all the things happening in the news ..... " Then I will tell her , " but mom don't you know that terrible things have been happening for centuries ? " Then I continue, " in the 1800's hundreds of Native American Indians were massacred by the American armies and cavalry and thousands died in the American Civil war in 1862 to 1865 ! " Then I proceed to tell her about the Dark ages, the Inquisitions and any other tragedies of history that have happened over the thousands of years of histories. Then she stops with the , " things are so much worse now in these last days " bit. She has even admitted to me, " well you are right, many bad things have always happened throughout history. " Because JW's can't deny it . It's true. So that's one tactic that works for me.

I've also been able to talk to her about the recent refusal of the WT Society to appear in court in the Lopez child abuse case and how they were found in contempt of court and had to pay a 13.5 million $$$$ award to Lopez because of their stubborn refusal to supply the courts what they want . My mom asks me, " Why would they DO that ? " I tell her, " because they have something or someone to hide mom, they have thousands of child molesters on their database files that they don't want the courts to know about. " Then she says, " That's just wrong. WT Society needs to do the right thing. " And my mom has been a JW since 1951, but she hasn't attended meetings in over a year now as she is in an assisted living facility. So I continue to make her think and make inroads into her now " un-indoctrinated mind " . Good luck to you- hope these thoughts help. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

PISTOFF- I think the rank & file JW's believe the WT Society's " own press " as you stated or their alibi's or excuses- but I do NOT believe that WT leaders believe their own press statements. They make these press statements of " we abhor child abuse " - or - " we do everything we can to educate our members to protect their children " - these statements are just defense mechanisms to justify or sidestep answering REAL questions like - " Why does the WT Society not report child abuse to the police ? " Or " Why does the WT Society keep appointing former child molesters as elders or ministerial servants ? " WT leaders totally avoid answering those questions and put out stupid damage control $hit answers like I mentioned. WT leaders know full well what they're doing. They are trying to protect their financial nest egg- period .

FREEMINDFADE & PISTOFF- Isn't it amazing how JW's like your brothers can just bury their heads in the sand like ostriches about this WT child abuse scene ? The power of cult mind control is alive and well within the WT Society.

FINKELSTEIN- Exactly what you say is true. To a JW it's the worst offense of all to even question the GB or WT Society leaders way of doing things. When I mentioned to a former good friend of mine back in 2009 who is still an elder that one of the reasons I stopped attending meetings was the WT child abuse policies are bad- he told me, " It really worries me that you think the WT leaders and GB aren't handling the child abuse situation correctly ! It scares me that you doubt their wisdom. " That is how gullible these JW's are, it's incredible !

VIDIOT- You make very interesting points. It could very well be that the only " pool " of " brothers " to serve as elders IS limited to former child molesters now. LOL. Although it's not funny, pretty pathetic. Anybody with any sense of sanity wouldn't want to serve these days as an elder for sure.

STILL TOTALLY ADD- Good points. Indeed WT Society wants to protect it's organization at all cost. It's the WT financial interests and well being they are after. WT leaders don't care about God or children- just their financial future. Pretty sick

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Another article - Jehovah's Witnesses silencing techniques used in child sex abuses cases

by defender of truth in

here's an interesting quote from it:.

in a youtube video: jehovah's witnesses threatening children with death - lloyd evans tells the david pakman show that, scientology only has about 50,000 members, whereas the jehovah's witnesses organization has about 8 million.

its like a comedy show when you look into some of the beliefs of what scientologists adhere to.

flipper

DEFENDER of TRUTH- Good article dealing with Candace Conti and what she went through and exposing the silencing tactics the WT Society uses to hide child abuse. I hope articles like this get even more exposure in the media across the globe. WT child abuse needs to stop. Thanks for posting. Peace out, Mr. FLipper

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Daily Mail: Married JW woman, 36, had sex with 15-year-old boy breaks down in tears as she is told she faces jail. Elders there for support

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2976095/married-woman-36-sex-15-year-old-schoolboy-breaks-tears-told-faces-jail.html.

married woman, 36, who had sex with 15-year-old schoolboy breaks down in tears as she is told she faces jail .

married mother of two broke down in tears at merthyr tydfil crown court.

flipper

Really sad situation. This lady should be punished to the fullest extent of the law like any man would be who commits child abuse. Her poor children. How's her husband going to explain THIS one to them ? Child abuse needs to be stopped no matter who does it. Peace out, mr. Flipper

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How did you find the truth? - the loaded question.

by user100 in

had dinner this weekend with a jw family and met a bunch of new jws.

one of them who was not very talkative at all and out of the blue asked me how i found "the truth".

i answered how my family has always been starting with my great grandfather.. then he clarified his question.. he said something about how this is a great question and people always talk about their spiritual heritage.

flipper

" How did you find the truth " ? By exiting the Jehovah's Witness organization

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

PISTOFF- Well, we know that Greenlees, Chitty were among those former GB members who molested minors. Rumors had it that Jaracz was of that group as well. If a court order gets brought down on the WT organization from the federal government in time to reveal the names of possibly higher ups who have been child molesters- it's not going to be a pretty sight. WT Society may as well hand over to the courts the database file because the more WT digs it's heels in and refuses- if they are worried about appearance- it makes them look even more criminally negligent than they have already been

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Why are we so hard on JW's??

by James Mixon in

jw
friends

i was thinking about this last night.

what would happen if.

someone new check out this site, what would they think?.

flipper

JAMES MIXON- Read my thread on the first page just above or near yours about how the WT Society appoints men as elders and ministerial servants who have committed child abuse before - how the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses approve it - it's in their written instructions to elders. Then you may come to understand why some of us are hard on the Jehovah's Witness organization. Personally- I won't support an organization that is aiding and abetting child molesters. I would think you feel similarly

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

This thread kind of goes along with the thread this morning of the lady in England who is suing the WT Society for damages due to her child abuse. Her abuser was re-appointed as a Ministerial Servant even though he had been a child molester before. And all WT Society approved. If you read the opening post- you'll see that it's in the WT Society's policies to allow Ministerial Servants or elders to be appointed even if they molested children before. So the lady in England certainly has a huge, valid point in her lawsuit. WT Society irresponsibility and UNWILLINGNESS to accept responsibility is HUGE in these lawsuits. The more arrogant they get- the more millions of $$$$ they are going to pay out . Serves WT leaders right to suffer damages. They've caused enough damage to abuse victims

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My own daughter has much suffered; she will get justice in due time.

by TheFadingAlbatros in

just learned today direct from my beloved daughter that she has been abused between 5 and 12 years old by 2 brothers (her own cousins) and 1 family "friend".

she has attempted suicide a few days ago.

luckily she is living and she is not physically injured.

flipper

THEFADINGALBATROSS- I'm very happy to hear that your daughter is doing so much better. That's great news. And that she's living with you now. Great for both of you. I do hope you and her receive justice in the courts of law where you live and the perpetrators are punished accordingly and you can live your life in peace from here on out. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper