Posts by flipper

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What comforts you when you no longer believe in a ressurrection ?

by EdenOne in

our family just lost someone dear and very close, a faithful jw.

as we went through the entire funeral services and meeting long time brothers and sisters, who in general have been very kind and warm towards us, we realize that the hope of resurrection is a meaningless utopia for us, like a fairytale for little children.

we don't have faith in it anymore, and serves us of no comfort.

flipper

EDEN- Good points you bring out. The thing that's helped me is to realize that because this life is quite possibly the ONLY life we will have is to approach my life with positive enthusiasm for my interests and hobbies and relationships so I can continue enjoying them in the here and now and treasure and value them. Because once they're gone- they're gone.

Also not having any fear of an imaginary " Armageddon " has worked wonders for my confidence and self worth . I can pursue life with no fear and guilt. My 2 cents. I'm sorry for your loss . Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Is the preaching work, no longer the number 1 priority?

by ToesUp in

i have been observing a pattern in recent wtbs publications and events.

is the importance of the preaching activity no longer the number 1 priority?

are not billions of lives still at stake?.

flipper

INSIDE THE KH- Let me ask you this - in your years as a JW have you EVER heard of in the WT Society's 136 year history of a " need " to send appointed WT " brothers " to Kingdom Halls to " train " rank & file JW's of how to clean or maintain their kingdom halls ? The answer is NO. Because the WT society didn't have a vested interest in ownership of those Kingdom halls - they didn't care if kids urinated on restroom floors. NOW - the stakes and game has changed. The WT Society control has amped up and EVERY SINGLE MOVE will be scrutinized of rank & file JW's because the WT Society has stripped ownership of Kingdom halls from the " brothers & sisters ". Overbearing much ? Yes. Controlling much ? Yes. If you don't GET that you are just burying your head in the sand regarding any logical feedback concerning the WT Society's land grabs. Just putting some real into your version of reality

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National Public Radio (NPR) broadcasts today about JWs. Do you want to hear the secrets of what this religion has been keeping under wraps?

by AndersonsInfo in

to all those who frequent this discussion board:.

we just wanted you to know that an investigative public radio program named reveal, produced by cir (center for investigative reporting) and prx, will present today, saturday, february 14th, the results of new investigations uncovering hidden stories.

in this weeks story, there will be three different topics covered.

flipper

I read this article on reveal news website and it's absolutely mind boggling how the WT Society desperately tries to keep child abuse cases secret, in an exceedingly criminal way. I'm definitely going to listen to this radio broadcast. Thanks for posting Barbara

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Is the preaching work, no longer the number 1 priority?

by ToesUp in

i have been observing a pattern in recent wtbs publications and events.

is the importance of the preaching activity no longer the number 1 priority?

are not billions of lives still at stake?.

flipper

I think you hit the nail on the head- " overseeing material assets " is the # 1 priority for the WT Society and GB now. Preaching is WAY down low on the list of priorities.

And this statement, " The organization will be sending " maintenance trainers " to each Kingdom hall and teach everyone locally on how to properly maintain Watchtower assets , I mean Jehovah's house. "

So the control gets ratcheted up several notches due to the fact that WT Society now has title and ownership of most all of these Kingdom halls now. Wow, just wow. This is 1984 and George Orwell all over again. Big brother is alive and well. Run for your lives lurking JW's ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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IMPORTANT: Please note on your calender that on MONDAY, Feb. 16th, there will be a segment on a TV NEWS PROGRAM discussing JWs

by AndersonsInfo in

on monday evening, feb. 16th, on the pbs newshour, there will be a segment discussing jehovah's witnesses.

generally, the newshour airs at 6 p.m. in different time zones across the united states..

please don't miss it.

flipper

6BARBARA- Thanks for the update and heads up ! My wife and I will definitely watch it ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Been a while!

by lambsbottom in

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friends

just wanted to say thank you to all of you for everything over the last 3.5 years.

i am completely faded now.

i no longer suffer from major anxiety/depression, well versed on cults and how to protect myself, continually searching and taking in knowledge regarding my own relationship with god.

flipper

LAMBSBOTTOM- Nice to hear from you again ! I'm glad to hear everything is going well for you. Nice to see that life has been good to you. Good for you

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Hello

by Laika in

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friends

hi all, i haven't posted here in a while, felt like a break and have been insanely busy, i don't think too much about jw stuff now, but wanted to pop in anyway.

have i missed anything recently?.

i am very happy, much to my surprise, i think it would be nice to go back to the end of 2013 and tell the depressed and lonely version of me that he can't even comprehend how good life could be.

flipper

LAIKA- Nice to have you back ! Hope life has been treating you well ! Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Field Service Reports Count More than Showing Love - Ray Franz CF Book

by flipper in

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i've always suspected this was the wt society's view when i was in the jehovah's witness organization - but never knew the head of the writing committee karl adams had written a letter to nathan knorr ( then wt president ) recommending a change regarding reporting field service time as it wrongly emphasized jw members being seen as mainly being approved due to field service statistics - instead of emphasizing christian qualities of love, kindness, peace, etc.. karl adams had been personally handpicked by nathan knorr to be the head of the writing department.

in 1971 he wrote a letter to knorr which he wanted shared with the entire governing body as well .

i'll share the main parts of that letter.. on pg.

flipper

Saw this thread had been bumped up so I thought I'd respond.

ONEFINGERSALUTE- Exactly, great point. Interesting example that you share about the elder with the " secret life " on the side doing everything illegal and immoral - yet at the same time being looked up to inside the congregation from rank & file publishers who see him getting 30 to 40 hours in service every month. If I had a dollar for all the elders I saw who lived these double lives when I was a JW- I'd be a millionaire right now. Absolutely incredible the deception that gets pulled by men in power within the JW organization

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New Apostate: Tempest in a Teacup

by Tempest in a Teacup in

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friends

first post on here.

i've been lurking for 3-4 years and i mean i've been a mega lurker, doing marathon reading sessions for months or weeks.. sometimes i proceed by researching specific topics, or posters; other times just reading current discussions.

i'm particularly fond of "old" post, i.e 10-12-15 years ago.. i have laughed, smiled, got mad, cried etc, just reading some threads here.. as you can see i suffer from some kind of "accute lurkitis".

flipper

TEMPEST- Welcome to the board ! Nice to have you here. It sounds like you've really informed yourself about and even experienced the injustices of the WT Society so your mind is pretty well made up that Jehovah's Witnesses don't have the alleged " truth " - I suppose you feel that way correct ?

I understand the need to keep your JW relative contacts , especially with your wife- some of us can play that game and walk both worlds, some of us cannot. I'm personally one who cannot. Not right or wrong- just a fact where I am in my life.

Keep your options and mind open to possibilities of various situations coming up in your life. I know that you FEEL you'll always be a JW - but it's precisely part of the JW or cult reasoning to think I'll ALWAYS do this or that. It's called black or white reasoning, either this or that. Never any in-between. That's also part of the WT or JW training and indoctrination that they put into us. I'm just recommending that you keep an open mind towards your options. I wish you the best in whatever you decide and we are here to offer unconditional friendship and support no matter what you do. Take care and I wish you the best ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Exposing one's identity. When?

by kairos in

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i've been toying with the idea of just coming out and posting my name and location as an attempt to be available to locals that secretly browse the forum that have known me for up to 25 years.

( "reaching out", so to speak ).

i'm not da'd or df'd, so this most certainly could end in a dramatic confrontation.

flipper

KAIROS- With all of the tension and difficult situations you've been going through with your JW wife- do you really feel you need more " dramatic confrontations " at this particular time ? You invited us to talk you off the ledge- so I'm talking. I think the expression " discretion's the better part of valor " and " out of sight out of mind " might apply here. Just my 2 cents knowing a bit of your situation and from our conversations.

I understand your possibly just wanting to get it over with- the coming out that is- however I don't think you fully understand the enormity of the " Pandora's Box " that may open against you and then other JW cult members may then try to influence your wife against you. It's something to consider. Just consider your steps carefully