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  Why did Jesus have to suffer?? Something I never thought about.

  by ttdtt in

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  something dawned on me last night.

  jesus was suposed to be a corresponding sacrifice for adam right?.

  a perfect life for a perfect life.

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  Floodguy

  The whole story of a god/man coming to earth, healing people, raising the dead (apparently even a guy named Lazarus) dying a violent death though innocent, and followers gaining salvation through symbolic cannibalism of his flesh and blood, is a story that pre dates Jesus by over 1000 years.

  Paul introduced that whole concept. No wonder the Jews didn't buy in to the whole thing, and the Gentiles jumped onto the bandwagon. It was already familiar to them, and the Jews knew it was pagan from the get go. Our problem is interpreting the Hebrew Scriptures in light of the christian Greek, instead of the other way round. When you do, the whole case for Jesus being the messiah evaporates. Paul, Matthew, john, all took the Hebrew verses they quoted in support of Jesus out of context, just a like the WTS does.
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  The argument over wood petrification and the pertification of animal dung?

  by Crazyguy in

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  there's two sides to the explanation of petrified wood not sure yet about what creationists say about petrified dung.

  on one side evelutionists say it's a long process the creationists say it happen rapidly caused by noah's flood and after.

  has anyone really looked into this argument to see if there a decisive way to show the bible believers wrong.

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  Floodguy

  Fence posts have been pulled out of the ground with the bottom 12"-18" petrified. Silica rich sediments would cause that to happen in a short amount of time. Supercritical water erupting from under the crust would cover the earth with such sediments, thereby creating a one time record of that event. But that would indicate a global flood, and that obviously never happened. Right.
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  Beards

  by pgjallan in

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  i left the witnesses.

  returned full bearded, which drew censure from a district overseer: “peter, you can’t witness door-to-door with a beard”.

  bewildered, i asked for an explanation.

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  Floodguy

  I was born in. Kept growing a beard, acquiescing and shaving it off, growing it again, until I hit 40. Wouldn't shave. Elder told me I should rethink my position, as I was the congregations best reader, and if I didn't shave I'd lose that priveledge. I suggested that perhaps they should rethink their position, if that's the case. Ever the rebel. Finally realized the TTATT, and never went back. Thanks, beard.
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  Plea to Governing Body and those with influence!

  by Truthexplorer in

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  this is a long shot to those with influence at bethel, particularly the governing body.

  if you happen to be a lurker on this site.

  please take into account the feelings of those who are affected or even hurting because of current teachings and policies emanating from watchtower.

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  Floodguy

  Try to watch documentaries on other 'cults' like scientologists or Mormons with them. Criticize their practices as opposed to the 'truth' but don't point out all the obvious similarities. Let them stew subconsciously for a while. Once forgotten, show footage of the royal commission and such, as if you've just discovered it. Then keep finding more. Then question the most basic teachings about 1914 and 'try' to find evidence thereof with them. Erode the foundation.
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  Talking with a young elder

  by biblexaminer in

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  i had a discussion with an elder recently.

  it was interesting in a macabre sense.

  we were outside the kingdom hall on a nice sunny day recently.

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  Floodguy

  Yeah, sorry I had to throw the Paul thing in there. Since catching on to the problem with Paul, the WTS and their constant "the inspired apostle Paul said..." Really gets to me. His baseless, unconfirmed claims as to who he claimed to be are the blueprint for WTS claims.
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  Talking with a young elder

  by biblexaminer in

  1. jw
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  i had a discussion with an elder recently.

  it was interesting in a macabre sense.

  we were outside the kingdom hall on a nice sunny day recently.

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  Floodguy

  Sure, considering he was the first to be called by that name. The apostles were practicing Jews. Just like Jesus. Christianity should actually be called paulinity. It's all his teachings we follow, while paying mere lip service to Jesus. Paul was a fraud who lived out his days in comfort, probably right where the Vatican is today. Those who were his followers became the Roman Catholic Church, and made sure his writings figured prominently in their compilation of scripture.
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  Talking with a young elder

  by biblexaminer in

  1. jw
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  i had a discussion with an elder recently.

  it was interesting in a macabre sense.

  we were outside the kingdom hall on a nice sunny day recently.

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  Floodguy

  A word about this Paul stuff:

  who the hell was he?

  He had a vision on the road to Damascus, right? A bright light appeared, and then a voice. First time he tells the story, (Acts 9) the men with him see the light but don't hear the voice. Second time (Acts 22) the men hear the voice, but don't see a light. So what was it? By the way, Paul is the only Bible character I know of who encounters a 'bright light' and it just so happens to be him who informs us that Satan is transforming himself into an angel of light. Seeing a pattern yet?

  Now, what was the criteria to be considered an Apostle? We see that when Judas needed to be replaced, they drew lots between Matthias and some other guy because they had seen Jesus baptized, had accompanied him and heard him teach for 3 years, and had seen him put to death. Otherwise, you ain't an apostle.

  Paul begins one of his letters, I think to the Ephesians, by declaring "I am an apostle, I do not lie". Why else would he feel the need to defend himself if he hadn't been challenged on it? They didn't trust him. Then, in his second letter to Timothy, he pisses and moans about all Asia turning against him. Interesting.

  Now look at Revelation 2 . Jesus commends the congregation in Ephesus for 'testing those who claim to be apostles, who are not, but are liars'. Gee, I wonder who he's talking about?

  But, you may say, Revelation was written long after in 95CE! Really? Well, john is told to go and measure the temple. How can he do that if was obliterated 25 years previous? And who's testimony is it that gives the date of 95? We rely on the words of a half assed historian by the name of Irenneaus who lived in the third or fourth century. Why half assed? This guy also tells us Jesus was 50 when he was put to death!

  Therefore, if there's no good reason to date the writings of John any later than the other Greek scriptures, then 66CE is just as likely, and makes the prophecies of 3 1/2 times, or years, till the time that the Gentiles trample Jerusalem fit perfectly with what happens in 70CE.

  So, who was Paul? I submit that he was none other than the 'weeds sown amongst the wheat' that Jesus predicted . Paul's writings are clearly against the teachings of the twelve apostles and their master, Jesus himself. He said to 'KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS'!! Why don't we? Because Paul said.....
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  Questions about the Flood for Brother Jeramy

  by cappytan in

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  how long did the flood last?how long can land vegetation survive submerged in seawater?how long can freshwater fish survive in saltwater?how old is human civilization?

  what is the oldest settlement in south america?

  how did those people get there from the middle east after the flood wiped out everything on the earth?.

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  Floodguy

  I heard a saying recently. It went something like;

  "if everyone is against you, you are very wrong, or very right."

  The amount of crap heaped onto creationists was a tip off to me that they just might be onto something. Walt Brown especially.

  Do yourselves a favour and try to develop enough humility to make a serious investigation, without rushing to latch onto the first naysayers complaint as legitimate.

  Before you laugh at the theory, try to understand the current theories as to the development of asteroids and comets. If they they truly stand up as logical and easily understood, then it's you who are delusional.

  You know what they say about throwing pearls. I'm done.
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  Questions about the Flood for Brother Jeramy

  by cappytan in

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  how long did the flood last?how long can land vegetation survive submerged in seawater?how long can freshwater fish survive in saltwater?how old is human civilization?

  what is the oldest settlement in south america?

  how did those people get there from the middle east after the flood wiped out everything on the earth?.

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  Floodguy

  I'm not trolling. I studied the hydro plate theory for years. It stands on its own.

  Many who work in the applied sciences, like engineers, are drawn to this theory due to its practicality. Piss and moan all you want, he's got it right. Take a few weeks to thoroughly go over his theory, and try to pick it apart with proven science. If you find something that completely debunks his theory, you can contact him yourself to tell him. He answers the phone. Hell, I went to his house to discuss it with him.
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  Questions about the Flood for Brother Jeramy

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
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  how long did the flood last?how long can land vegetation survive submerged in seawater?how long can freshwater fish survive in saltwater?how old is human civilization?

  what is the oldest settlement in south america?

  how did those people get there from the middle east after the flood wiped out everything on the earth?.

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  Floodguy

  By the way, a good theory allows one to make predictions. Predictions concerning the "tiny dust balls, no bigger than a marble" that were going to be found on that comet they just landed on proved way off. Only one one scientist predicted actual rounded boulders as likely: Walt Brown. 13 years ago.

  Laugh all you want, his crazy theory is being confirmed constantly. He's made around 40 predictions. 5 are confirmed, the rest pending. And yet, he's just a dumb young earth creationist. Well, if it makes you feel any better he was an evolutionists until 1972. But then he smartened up.