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  "we're not hiding anything" says the Bro on the Service Desk

  by MinisterAmos in

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  2. friends

  i think i found where they put all their lawyers, they go on the service desk to spin tales of deceit and half-truth.

  so i call up to voice my displeasure with having been asked to distribute "the end of false religion" when the wt already knew that it was ridden with molestors yet called itself "clean".

  the bro said "that means clean in comparison to the others" ummm ok

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  minimus:

  They're full of something else too!

  yep...WT better let the dog out, its getting deep and it stinks. Snakes ()
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  How the WT Study is Used by the Governing Body

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  2. beliefs

  now that i have been out of the borg for a while, it has occurred to me that one of the biggest weapons they use to keep everyone indoctrinated is the watchtower study.. elders are told that the wt study is the primary way that the faithful and discreet slave feeds the flock of god today.

  it is easily the most formulatic.. consider, the content is 100% controlled.

  (i would also add, made up fiction.

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  R.F.:

  That's why I can't stomach the fact of attending another WT study again.

  yep, It has been about 3 weeks since I went to any meetings, not since the convention. Before that I was going only to the public talk and leaving before the Puketower. I am sure I will be going to Sunday talks again but not regularly. I think I might go to a WT study after the first of the year to see how this train wreck shapes up.

  Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (aka "Train wreck waiting to happen"):

  

  Same for the Service Meeting...I haven't been to a TMS/SM since...well, I can't recall...but I want to go to the meeting when they consider the Sept 07 KM question box. I think I might actually comment: "Does this mean we cant get together in private homes and study the WT together so we are prepared for the week?" I don't know what would be more shocking...the question or me actually commenting.

  SnakesInTheTower (of the "getting the popcorn, watching for the train" Sheep Class)
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  Anger over paedophile's sentence

  by Keyboard22 in

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  2. child-abuse

  judge is lenient on jehovah witness paedophile from somerset uk.

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  anger over paedophile's sentence - aol news.

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  flipper:

  put in a prison where other men can show him real " man" love, ....maybe he'll have trouble sitting on chairs for the next month afterwards

  yeah, see my "solution" for justice on this thread (if the mods have not removed it ):

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/140694/8.ashx

  SnakesInTheTower (of the "righteous anger" Sheep Class)
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  UK- JW MINISTERIAL SERVANT SERIAL RAPIST

  by DannyHaszard in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  man escapes jail for sex attacksbbc news - 1 hour, 42 minutes agoa jehovah's witnesss gets a community sentence for a series of sex assaults on children and adults.man escapes jail for sex attacks porter was put on the sex offenders registera jehovah's witness has escaped a jail term after admitting a series of sexual assaults on children and adults in clevedon.

  michael porter, an elder in the religion, pleaded guilty to 24 counts of indecent assault and gross indecency on 13 victims aged 18 months and older.

  among the individuals were others involved in the faith.

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  winnie:

  (I won't print what I would do to him if it were my child!)

  I will...and lets see how long the mods let it stay. (graphic but not vulgar)

  Posting Guidelines
  Swearing, using hate-speech or making obscene or vulgar comments.

  Lets change the penalty phase of the judicial system. Lets reintroduce the gladiator games. Charge money for attendance and pay-per-view. Use the money to help counsel the victims.

  Bring out the pedophile(s), strip them butt naked. Parade them around the stadium field...then sit their a$$ on a tree stump and hammer a spike through their you know what. Push them off the stump, ripping it out. Then, with them screaming in pain, let loose a few hungry lions. After a few feeding frenzies.....maybe after just a few "games" the pedophiles will have the hell scared out of em and there wont be a need for that kind of deterrant.

  I advocate this for any violent crime with interesting variations. Or maybe this just makes me as bad as them. Unless you know the pain of a victim, you dont understand where such creative punishment ideas come from.

  SnakesInTheTower (of the "sick the lions on 'em" Sheep Class)

  Ps...oh, and current Society directive says that any man who is a pedophile cannot serve in any position if he has ever (even before becoming a JW) molested a kid. I know because an elder in one of my old congos was removed as an elder even though the incident happened decades ago before he became a dub....good...at least the right thing happens sometimes. Current elders are supposed to be immediately removed and judicially dealt with (even just unannounced reproof...although in this case he went to jail and is a registerd sex offender...he should be d/f!)
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  GB's member Gerrit Losch on college in Monza (Italy) in 2005

  by Ancientofdays in

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  2. beliefs

  i don't know if already posted this video, but it's really interesting .

  i had a lot of rumor regarding this speech , but never listened my self before.

  the speech is in italian, but some nice guy has subtitled in english.

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  So I have a question..... why the hell did the audience clap after he told the story of the young man shooting himself?

  I had heard that story before and thought it was urban Borg legend. Is that 1988 AP article for real?

  What a load of crap. Just as the Borg "praised" people back in the late 60's up through 1975 for selling everything and moving where the "Need Was Greater", they never actually said 1975 was "the end"...but they just kept up the rhetoric that pushed people in that direction of believe....and it sure seemed like it to people, such as my parents, who were dubs at the time....dad gave up a military career a few short years of retirement because of the 1975 hogwash...struggled financially most of the rest of his life. Probably the stress killed him early.

  This reminds me of the things Ivan Pavlov did with dogs in his conditioned response experiments. Same with the Borg.....Keep exposing people to the same praise over and over for doing what they want, pretty soon they will do it without the praise....and they cannot explain why the quit their jobs and pioneer...they just know that "is what they should do".

  SnakesInTheTower (of the "that guy Pavlov is a clever fella" Sheep Class)

  PS... do you lurkers hear the bell ringing now?
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  Aug 15th WT

  by mouthy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  has anyone read it "jehovah is a lover of justice " page 26 paragraph 16 & 18 please read it .

  what rubbish .

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  Grace...good to see you here.....

  Watchtower:

  worldwide they enjoy a unity that is cemented by Christian love

  yep, much the same way the mob took care of those they did not like...with cement shoes....

  oh well, to paraphrase a favorite scripture:

  "And he showed me a river of water Kool-Aid of life death, clear as crystal mud, flowing out from the throne sewer of God Brooklyn and of the Lamb GB down the middle of its broad narrow and twisted way." (Revelation Snakes 22:1,2a)

  Drink up kiddies....

  SnakesInTheTower (of the "Twisting scriptures to suit his own noble purposes" Sheep Class)
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  need some help with letter.... this is what i got so far....help

  by thebiggestlie in

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  2. friends

  dear mom and dad,

  so you want to here from me and to know how i really feel on certain issues which is understandable.

  i mentioned before that i always felt like the black sheep, like something was wrong with me.

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  thebiggestlie

  I did not correct any spelling or grammatical errors since this is a personal letter not a business letter (except for at the end where you used "i.e." ..latin id est meaning "that is", so I added parenthesis, that drove me nuts). As for the content, you have put it out there but no one will read it because it is a mass of words. I have put in paragraph breaks where I hoped it was appropriate so others here will be more inclined to read it and contribute their opinion...that you are apparently soliciting. This letter is a starting point. Now boil it down to something more readable. If you are typing it, correct the spelling and grammar. If you are handwriting it, then just do your best. Hang in there.

  SnakesInTheTower (of the "resisting the urge to edit your letter" Sheep Class)

  Dear Mom and Dad,

  So you want to here from me and to know how i really feel on certain issues which is understandable. I know how confusing i can be at times ....well most of the time, but i want to first tell you how much i love you. I would lay down my life for you. Your my parents! You raised me and always wanted the best for me. I grew up with you too playing games and reading stories and all of the valuable and essential childhood activities. I still look back on my childhood (even though i am still a child in more ways than just one) with fond memories and a heart full of love and appreciation. I wish i could openly express my feelings on such things and let you know how i really feel without fear of sounding cheesy or whatever although i suppose thats just a character flaw of myself that i must improve on, but I'm taking this moment to express to you my love and admiration and to thank you for being there for me all these years. I have nothing short of unconditional love for the both of you and can only hope to have the same from you.

  As you know these teenage years have proved to be rough for me. I've always felt like the black sheep in the family as well in the congregation. I've always felt like every last aspect of me has been off of center. I lived most of my life in constant worry, attempting to achieve some kind of normality, to find my groove, my niche as it where in this meddled thing called life. Even among witnesses of my own age I've always felt completely disconnected even from a young age. I suppose this is a fairly normal feeling for a young person as it is often written about both in the pages of the watchtower and many other secular and religious sources. But nonetheless I've tried desperately to find something to cling to feel like i belong.

  This brings me to the first and probably the major topic i want to talk about. That is the issue of being in “the truth” or being one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Ever since i was a baby i was taught that i didn't have to search for any answers to the entire universe because they were all conveniently laid out in front of me and that i should respect my spiritual heritage. And I must say i do respect my heritage so donut get me wrong but listen to what I'm trying to say. As i was saying, since i was a young child I have been constantly told that Jehovah's Witnesses hold the only truth and that everything else in the world is a product of Satan in a desperate attempt to mislead as many people as he can in these “critical times” and the last days. I was thoroughly indoctrinated. I know you will say that you where only doing your Christian responsibility by “bringing me up in the way of Jehovah.” and i wholeheartedly respect that. I know you believe wholeheartedly in your heart that your doing the best for me. I know how much you love me and i love you just as much. You have no idea how much pain I AM IN writing this to you. Can't you see that? Don't you know how much i love you? And don't you see how much pain this entire situation is causing?

  But not to get sidetracked off of the topic at hand i wish to elaborate on what i was saying. We as human beings have free will. We have the opportunity to look at the world around us, take in knowledge, analyze this info and then act upon it in whatever way we feel works best. Well, in a perfect scenario anyways this is true but i must say i have NEVER ONCE felt as if i had the freedom to think, choose, or decide on any issue on my life. I was just taught “this is how it is, if you don't believe it then you'll be hurting yourself, your family your friends, and not to mention Jehovah! And you don't want to be one of those that will be destroyed in Armageddon do you?” Do you know how much pressure that is on a young child, especially one that always felt inadequate and different? And to make it even more pressing i was completely separated form the rest of the world. If you put someone in an environment where they have no contact with the outside world and everything outside of the safe, neat little barriers is demonized and evil and soon to be destroyed, what is that person supposed to think? I used to have nightmares of Armageddon as a child. The idea of it being just around the corner and “it could even be tomorrow” always lingered on my mind. I was terrified of the the idea of being turned into birdseed at the day of Jehovah's judgment. The pictures in the magazines of men women and children in pure terror with fire raining from the sky were quite effective in scaring god into me.

  But then on the other hand theres paradise. I can remember fondly looking into the pages of “My Book of Bible Stories” and wondering what i would name my pet lion and how the giant grapes would taste. And then there the resurrection, being able to see grandma again. These are all strong emotional pulls and they still pluck at my heartstrings. I SO BADLY WISH that they were true but i can convince myself rationally that they are anymore than just a pipe dream, a fairy tale thousands of years in the making.

  I mentioned before that i always felt like the black sheep, like something was wrong with me. Well if you where to ask me if i believed in God at any age up until about 14 i would have probably said yes because any other option seemed ridiculous and could only originate from the devil, a load of humbug issued out by evil scientist and philosophers who only want depravity and sin to fill the earth. As a witness it really is is an “us vs. the world” mentality where every single religious, scientific. And political organization is seen as being a devious tool of the devil to ensnare the world. This is what i was taught so that is what i believed, but even though i believed i always had the lingering feeling as if something was not quite right. I almost felt like every time i even considered going near the curtain i was told to “pay not attention” to the man hiding behind it. I ALWAYS felt empty even though i was told that “the truth” was the only way to ever feel full. I always felt like there must be something wrong with me or that the Devil was picking on me in particular.

  I feel almost for a lack of a better term “emotionally blackmailed”. It hurts me so bad to see you cry and hear you say things such as “I'm just worried about you and what your going to do. You know you'll hurt so many people not only your parents?”. I have always felt like i only had one option that you would ever approve of in life and I've always felt like my freewill was severely stunted. I could never think about anything, and in fact thinking was seen as have a spirit of independence and closely linked to the kind of thinking that the devil used on Eve in the garden. Thinking and questioning are completely demonized in the purest sense. Would you even be a JW yourself if it weren't for you thinking at one point in your life “is it really so that the catholic faith is the only true faith in the universe?” You say “Nicholas you know in your heart that its the truth” and within the organization itself the term “the truth” is used so liberally and with such audacity almost as if it is called such often enough it makes it “true-er”.

  Everyday i feel like a hypocrite. I feel like i am lying to the entire world. This feeling has been building up inside of me for many years. I realize ive made some genuinely stupid and for the most part typically teenage type mistakes in my life and i apologize for lying on many occasions. But do you realise why i have felt the need to lie and hide how i really feel? Do you realise the tremendous amount of pressure weighing down on me and the bench mark that is way to high for me to ever reach. I have been lying to myself for so long and i can hardly imagine being a hypocrite for my entire life. The world is not Black and White despite what some may think. IT is a diverse and interesting place full of subtle shades. It doesnt boil down to a concept of good vs. evil or us vs. them. As i have come to the crossroads of adulthood i am begininning to see just how enriched and complex the world is and that many of the things that i held as “absolutes” as a child were merely just another shade of the infinitely complex spectrum of universal color.

  My baptism, i remember the day quite vividly and i remember feeling very insecure on that day. I wondered to myself if i was really doing the right thing because at this point my lingering doubts were already grown in to creatures of immense size. But for reasons mentioned above, (i.e., wanting to fit in, pressure and love of family, and the fear of being destroyed in the event that this whole idea actually turned out to be true) i decided to go ahead and go for it, not that i had much of a choice seeing that it was drilled into me since a very very young age that baptism was something that should be highly desired and one of the ultimate goals in life. It seemed to me to almost be sacred, like a position that i could almost brag about. DO you remember when matthew got baptised and how jealous i was of him? “But mom! Why cant i get baptised???” I didnt even know what the word fully entailed. Even at fourteen when i got dipped i still didnt fully grasp the immensity of the concept. It has always disturbed me to hear of reports of 7 year olds getting baptised at some assembly. Really, can a child realy make such a decision of such magnitude at that young of an age. According to the bible even JESUS didn't get baptized until he was 30 years of age.
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  Bethel Application asks if you molested a child, if so when, also if gay

  by What-A-Coincidence in

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  2. child-abuse

  the following is a page out of an application for bethel service.

  notice line 21 under morals/sexual molestation.... http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/photob_014/bethelapp.jpg.

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  so are you saying that Bethel will not accept a low hour, previously judicially dealt with, immoral, rap music listener, that watches R-rated movies with homosexual tendencies that lean toward little kids and has been smokin' a little weed on the side because you have a bit of a weight issue and have to use an inhaler and don't have a perfectly clean slate of health and talks funny and a bit of a hearing problem? Did I leave anything out?

  Except for the pedophile disqualification (which they added a few years ago finally), I think Bethel is a bit picky? Is that why they are only taking perfect 19-21 year old males that are perfect specimens of the master JW race?

  Just wondering.

  SnakesInTheTower (of the "definitely tongue in cheek" Sheep Class)
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  Contemplating my end here

  by Junction-Guy in

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  this has by far been the best xjw forum i have ever been on, but the time is coming when i must move on to other venues.

  the net is very time consuming, and i cant keep up with every post on here, no matter how hard i try.. .

  im embarking on a new journey here in the next few months, and i just have to break myself free from the internet.. .

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  Junction-guy...I hope you stick around. I agree this forum can be very addictive. Lots of good people and good stories and information. You add something here and would be missed. But you are correct, there is a whole big world out there and the internet, even this forum, is only a very small part of it. RL (real life) is the bigger part.

  My suggestion, echoing the sentiments of others here, is to limit yourself timewise and topic wise. Pick an hour or two once or twice a week, check your PMs, scan the topics since the last time you were on. If anything jumps out at you, go ahead and read. Or if you have certain posters that pique your interest, click on their profile and click their post and topic links and see what is going on.

  But stick to whatever time limit you have set for your self. If you run across a thread that is interesting but is long and you are out of time, just book mark it and read it when you have a few minutes.

  Whatever you decide, I wish you well on your journey.

  SnakesInTheTower (of the "setting limits" Sheep Class)
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  What does your city/town smell like??

  by horrible life in

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  while on vacation, we drove through amarillo.

  the smell of cattle was everywhere.

  for the citizens of amarillo, texas, that is the smell of money.. in my town, we have the nearby paper mill, weyerhaeuser.

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  the next town over smells like rotten eggs (major oil refineries)....my town, if it is hot and humid down by the river it has that nasty rotten fish river smell.,

  Snakes ()