Posts by neverendingjourney

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Ooops. They're back at the anti-type game.

by scotoma in

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i thought it was ex"plane"d at the corporate meeting that type-antitypes were finished unless it expressly is stated in the bible.. from the feb 22 study article.

question on paragraph 11- what comparison found at psalm 122:3,4 could be applied to god's people today?.

during the coming time of trouble for this system, we will have to be truly united.

neverendingjourney

Their most famous type/anti-type is the "seven times" is Nebuchadnezzar's tree dream where his insanity for 7 years is compared to the gentile nations' 2520 years of rule until 1914.

This was one of those things where when I was a teenager who wanted badly to believe, the explanation in the Live Forever book made a lot of sense.

A year or two later I revisited that story in its proper context during a personal reading of the book of Daniel and for the life of me I couldn't understand how that dream applied to something other than the 7 years Nebuchadnezzar spent in madness. The bible was very clear about the dream and its application, but somehow we were supposed to take at face value that the tree represented god's kingdom, the chopping down of the tree the destruction of the second temple, the seven years seven times, blah, blah.

It's an incoherent mess and the only explanation they can offer up is "because we say so."

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Update

by freemindfade in

so since i blew up at my family for being self righteous hate mongers, my uncle sent me a huge letter calling my ignorant and uncaring.

to which i exploded back with an email.

may have gone a bit too far on that one, but whatever what is done is done.

neverendingjourney

They fear having to make that choice between us and the organization, and they would rather us pretend for their sakes.

I stopped going to meetings 9 1/2 years ago. I was certain things would come to a head, that I'd end up disfellowshipped and lose my family (I was and still am single).

To my surprise nobody confronted me about it. My parents were over at my house this past weekend and I'm going on vacation with my brother and his family this summer. My relationship with another sibling has been damaged, but I suspect that's mostly due to unrelated reasons. Outside of inviting me to see my 11 year old nephew get baptized (I'm still pissed about that, but I held my tongue), they don't hassle me about meetings. They don't even pressure me to go to the memorial anymore.

The presiding overseer made one phone call to me after I moved away and stopped going to meetings, but it was clear from the tone of his voice and from what he said that he was calling to check the box and had no desire to hear a confession or inquire about my personal life. The inquisition I feared never materialized.

That being said, I'm a pretty well-adjusted guy who left because it became apparent that what they were peddling wasn't truth. Things might have turned out differently had I adopted a sex, drugs and rock and roll lifestyle, but I'm still the same guy I've always been. They don't know what to do with me, so they just don't pry. And I don't have any desire to confirm the obvious either.

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It's Over Johnny....The Demise of Jehovah's Witnesses

by ctrwtf in

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i think i've mentioned before that from time to time my commute on the bqe takes me past the old factory buildings and the soon to be former headquarters building.

i was struck the other day with how shabby they've become.

even 25 columbia heights, still currently occupied, its facade is filthy.

neverendingjourney

I don't think "demise" is the word I would choose, but there is a mountain of evidence that points to clear cash-flow problems and a gradual morphing of the religion's structure. Their model for generating cash is dying. People are increasingly consuming information online, which means they've had to significantly scale down their printing operations. This in turn means the advantages they once had given the economies of scale they were operating with have likely disappeared.

Couple that with the least educated membership of any major denomination and it's clear to see why they need to sell of properties to increase the amount of cash available to them. Literature "sales" are down and their members are not in a position to contribute lavishly.

This doesn't mean that the religion will cease to exist, but it will by necessity have to morph into something different. I think this is what we're currently seeing: selling off prime real estate, building cheaper buildings where the cost of land is cheaper, and attempting to build and online presence to sell their brand. They may be forced to relax their stand on higher education soon. They need membership to contribute more.

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Within one minute JW with trolley directs me to JW.org

by steve2 in

i live in relatively small seaside community (regional population around 45,000).

in my ten years here, i've had witnesses call on me perhaps twice (not special visits but during door-to-door).

whereas they once canvassed door-to-door much more frequently - and in larger size service groups - there is quite a decline in their door-knocking - at least in this region.. with the advent of the "trolley" work, their visibility has increased - but i'd estimate only marginally.

neverendingjourney

How sad.

The peak of my involvement was in the mid 90s and I already felt back then that a changing of the guard had taken place.

I was in the salvation business. I believed every word of what they taught and approached field service with that mindset. Yet probably 80 percent of the publishers were there just to count their time.

It was discouraging, but I got the impression that the battle had already been fought and the time counters had won. I remember old-timers who spoke of the not-so-distant past when every publisher was expected to explain the major doctrines plainly using only the Bible.

By the time I left, roughly ten years later, the percentage of time-counters had gone up to 90 percent or more and the old-timers rarely brought up those stories anymore.

By the reports I read here, it seems like are few if any JWs in the salvation business business anymore and who can blame them? How can you remain zealous when the doctrine you supposedly believe no longer possesses any basic internal coherence?

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New LDC Meeting KH Video

by wifibandit in

been away from the site for a few days...because i have been busy getting these!!!!!!

(pixel, thank you!

) they did not make it easy, plus technical difficulties.. for the main attraction:.

neverendingjourney

I'm inclined to view this as a cash-grab, an effort to receive perpetual rents from the congregations and to construct buildings that are easier to sell (and reap the windfall of the free labor that was used to build them).

If they are this hard-up for cash, when do they change their stance on college? Better educated members generally leads to membership with higher salaries. Better-paid members would in theory be in a position to contribute more.

I'm not envisioning an LDS wholehearted embrace of higher education, but perhaps encouraging young ones to consider two-year degrees in trades and eliminating the stigma around bachelor degrees.

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Site Update: Feb 5, 2014

by Simon in

just a quick update .... there was an issue with password reset / email sending not working which is now fixed.

if you've tried to do anything with your account that involved getting an email and instead got a server-error then it should be fixed now and can be retried.. my apologies for the inconvenience..

neverendingjourney

Thanks. That took care of it.

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Site Update: Feb 5, 2014

by Simon in

just a quick update .... there was an issue with password reset / email sending not working which is now fixed.

if you've tried to do anything with your account that involved getting an email and instead got a server-error then it should be fixed now and can be retried.. my apologies for the inconvenience..

neverendingjourney

I haven't been following these threads closely and maybe this has already been addressed, but I'm showing 7 messages in my inbox when I actually don't have any new mail.

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I just had a thought about the new KH design

by JeffT in

i've been trying to figure out the purpose of the new (bland, commercial style) building that the gb is pushing.

it is not a design that attracts attention, nor does it offer a lot in future resale value.

it will be more difficult to build than the wood residential style buildings, meaning they can't use their cheap unskilled labor force for a lot of the work.

neverendingjourney

Making money in flipping properties requires doing something to the property that makes it more valuable.

How about building properties with free labor and selling them at market value? Is there any money to be made in that?

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I just had a thought about the new KH design

by JeffT in

i've been trying to figure out the purpose of the new (bland, commercial style) building that the gb is pushing.

it is not a design that attracts attention, nor does it offer a lot in future resale value.

it will be more difficult to build than the wood residential style buildings, meaning they can't use their cheap unskilled labor force for a lot of the work.

neverendingjourney

It is not a design that attracts attention, nor does it offer a lot in future resale value.

I'm not in the real estate business, but I think the question to ask here is whether this style of building is more marketable than the current design. Seems like there would be a smaller market for the windowless buildings they use today.

Also a pertinent question: Are there other designs that would provide a greater return? In other words, what other design, if any, could they construct using their unskilled workforce that would result in a greater profit upon resale?

This scheme might not be brilliant, but it still might improve upon their current real estate flipping model, if not outright maximize its potential.

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Ode to the trolleys in Feb's broadcast

by konceptual99 in

check out the song about the trolley at the end of this month's dubcast.. http://www.jw.org/download/?fileformat=mp4&output=html&pub=jwb&issue=201502.

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neverendingjourney

I watched 10 seconds of that....on mute...and felt deeply uncomfortable.

I can only wonder what my family members think when they watch that crap. It's no longer the religion I grew up in, that's for sure.