the argument has been made on many occasions that death and suffering are a result of adam's sin.in fact, the bible is so clear on this "fact" that it is one of the few things on which nearly every christian denomination will agree.. "therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned romans 5:12. however, i would like to present the case that god had, in fact, not told adam this very thing, and consequently, adam was unaware of what really would take place upon eating the fruit.notice this verse:.
"but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.
" gen.2:17. i highlighted the word "you" because this is absolutely critical.why ?
bring the light,
i believe you are slightly confused about the exact question that is the premise of this thread. The premise is that there IS a supreme God, who by anyone but an atheist would readily admit has the right to set standards, and whether or not he was unfair--if you don't believe that then, fine-- you need to start another thread. Just because you have free will doesn't mean you get to set the standards of right and wrong and what's fair and unfair.
i forgot how ridiculously fictional and manipulative this drama was until i just typed up these notes:.
scene:.
jonathan enters, and everything is better.
umm...this is kind of an old thread. Is there some relation to the 2008 convention???
the argument has been made on many occasions that death and suffering are a result of adam's sin.in fact, the bible is so clear on this "fact" that it is one of the few things on which nearly every christian denomination will agree.. "therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned romans 5:12. however, i would like to present the case that god had, in fact, not told adam this very thing, and consequently, adam was unaware of what really would take place upon eating the fruit.notice this verse:.
"but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.
" gen.2:17. i highlighted the word "you" because this is absolutely critical.why ?
Nark,
I'm not sure I get the gist of what you are saying. My point was that the Supreme Being, whatever you want to call him, has the RIGHT to set standards of right and wrong and what's fair and unfair. Whether you like it that way or not, that's the way it is...
he's so excited.
i'm soooo nervous!.
he has good hands, and a quick mind.
Dawg....a big Roll Tide I think is in order here...Lol. We only lost to you guys by two points last season. Mark Richt is going to be the preseason no. 1, so naturally everyone is going to be looking to knock the dawgs off their perch and will be huge target for all their opponents this season. A word to the wise....Dont be too overconfident...Remember, you are in the SEC...RTR
it occurrd to me that maybe there was some independent thinking going on in the bs.
maybe the gb was afraid of small groups thinking too muchand having them all meet at the kh would put paid to any groups that were becoming a bit liberal.
as is known small bible study or at study groups were not allowed at bethel.
I kind of doubt this was the reason. If it was, then they would have quashed the bs arrangement years ago.
he's so excited.
i'm soooo nervous!.
he has good hands, and a quick mind.
You'll enjoy it. My son got to play for a couple of years and he really liked it--and I did too. Getting to go to the practices, the games, etc..It was a lot of fun. It DID cost a little money--unis, gear, fees, etc...but it was well worth it.
the argument has been made on many occasions that death and suffering are a result of adam's sin.in fact, the bible is so clear on this "fact" that it is one of the few things on which nearly every christian denomination will agree.. "therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned romans 5:12. however, i would like to present the case that god had, in fact, not told adam this very thing, and consequently, adam was unaware of what really would take place upon eating the fruit.notice this verse:.
"but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.
" gen.2:17. i highlighted the word "you" because this is absolutely critical.why ?
Not so, if God gets to decide what is and is not fair. You cannot take God to court if he himself is the final arbitor on all matters.
while this may be construed as a rebuttal to nvr's thread re: why i post about atheism, that is not my intent.. it is my intent, however, to show how i developed a belief in and love for the god of the bible.. my paternal grandfather, who died before i was born, was a baptist preacher, so you could say i cut my teeth on the bible.
i loved having it read to me, and once i learned how, reading it for myself.
i'm convinced that spirituality runs deep in my blood.. i've always had such a strong sense of right and wrong that injustices make me literally sick.
Good post, Sylvia. I could not have said it better myself...
anyone who is d'fed(like me- dont miss it) or disassociated,etc who may be in dire need.
i know that when u are disfellowshipped u are not allowed to associate with anyone who is a witness and they are suppose to shun u the rest of your life until u come to your "senses".
but anyway what i want to know is if im on the side of the road bleeding to death and one of jw recognize will they stop and help me or anyone for that matter.even when i was in the "truth" i always wondered about that since they are not supposed to have any contact with u. where do they draw the line when it comes to shunning people?
Based on what I know from my 35yr association with the org, the simple answer to your question is 'yes', but as was brought out by another poster some choose not to do so.
it is interesting that the pedophile scandal among jws is broadening.
for example, you will notice recent postings that show the crisis has popped into the limelight in finland and brazil.
it first hit the internet and papers in the u.s., then canada, europe and australia, but not is showing up in south america.
Expanding among JW's? How about "expanding among all of the world"? If you mean by that simply more cases are being reported, then I suppose you could make a case for that, when talking strictly about the JW's. There's certainly more attention now being brought to the problem, which is a good thing. Pedophilia is a societal problem throughout the world--I honestly don't think it's any more of a problem in the org, percentage wise, than it is in other religions--like the catholic church for instance. Catholic priests claim to represent God and the 'Truth' also, so in my mind they are just are reprehensible as any JW elder or ms guilty of it. The problem is too broad to only associate it with one group of people.
