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I used to be away from my parents for years at a time. We could get on the phone or get together years later and all would be just as it was. My dad is dead but I still feel him as part of me and very real.
Some things are timeless.
Randy
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Why Not To Forsake Your Christian Heritage
by Dogpatch inwhy not to forsake your christian heritage.
there is a large percentage of former jehovahs witnesses who came from evangelical or pentecostal backgrounds, before joining the witnesses.
for those who consider that a bad experience, i always suggest ending its control over your life, and take a vacation from religion.
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Why Not To Forsake Your Christian Heritage
by Dogpatch inwhy not to forsake your christian heritage.
there is a large percentage of former jehovahs witnesses who came from evangelical or pentecostal backgrounds, before joining the witnesses.
for those who consider that a bad experience, i always suggest ending its control over your life, and take a vacation from religion.
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There is a large percentage of former Jehovah’s Witnesses who came from evangelical or Pentecostal backgrounds, before joining the Witnesses.
For those who consider that a bad experience, I always suggest ending its control over your life, and take a vacation from religion. If God wants you, he will always be there for you. I have taken many such vacations in my life… knowing that I can speak to Him at any moment years later. He was, after all, my own “imaginary” friend all through my early life. But I found that ignoring that sense of spirituality results in a more negative experience in my life.
For me, conversion to Christ was pretty typical in Southern Calif. during the 60s and 70s. I had been raised a Baptist on my father’s side, and although my mother coming from a strict Methodist background, she adopted the Baptist faith, mostly. We had some pretty good Christians in the local churches back then (and I’m sure they haven’t disappeared.)
One funny anecdote that has far-reaching applications is when we used to attend the Garden Grove Community Drive-In Church (the only one of its kind) and my mother took on as a voluntary editor for R. Schuller’s first book (or so it seems), working in the “Tower of Power” – which still exists and is built adjacent to the Crystal Cathedral). Although Schuller was Dutch Reformed, and many consider his teaching liberal and heretical (especially involving his “universal salvation” approach and his “Prosperity” teachings), his staff of thousands were rather conservative! They got together in smaller groups during the week, and one would feel no different than attending a Baptist church. Except if you weren’t in the main hall and parked outside with a speaker box in your window at the drive-in part). I think they had a congregation of 7000 back in the 60s. Only in Orange County, or as we call it, the “Orange Curtain.” No one sneaks out of Orange County without Jesus. It’s a $250.00 fine. Prayer in restaurants is common. (Hey, I’m not complaining, unless you’re obnoxious).
However, assembling together and especially in song and worship is very healing for most. You can live fine without it, but what if you find you MISS IT?
What Are You Giving Up?
- Fellowship. No one can survive without like-minded friends, especially encouraging ones, even if they do embellish their encouragement. We tell terminal people they will be alright, tell homely people they are pretty, compliment others on a bad suit. We pray for others, share stories and do things together.
- Talking with God. However imaginary it may seem, I know I can talk to God in my brain and the communication is instant, with no protocol. That’s the way it was with my own father, so why should God be petty about it? Jesus’ love is not egotistical or distant.
- Joy in Life. We have come into a generation that somehow craves to live forever. This is much different than, say, the days of the Indians, and in Medieval times, where mortality is accepted around a certain number of years. The family adjusts to the facts of life, and life is seen as a normal, expected cycle of helplessness to power back to helplessness. In the end we are buried cremated or put in a form of Mausoleum. This has been the accepted norm for many thousands of years for man, regardless of what religious ideas float around in his/her head. Consider the Egyptians’ elaborate concept of life after death. I will not touch on that as it is beyond my personal experience. And I don’t accept corrupted theology.
- When we see life as a cycle, with clearly established boundaries as to what is to be expected at certain ages for most, we begrudgingly assent. Despite all prayers to the contrary, the increasing level of pains and infirmaries arise. We become more dependent upon others. Relationships are more and more important, as our weaknesses require attending help, both spiritually and physically as well. That is natural family welfare. It requires an overlooking at stark and scary TRUTHS, but it brings relief to the stricken and those in pain. Sure it is abused, but it’s our current norm.
- Be a part of a family of some kind of family . Even if it doesn’t seem “spiritual enough” for you. No one can stand alone. Sometimes even discussion boards serve as the only family we have, due to our limiting circumstances. Join one if you need friends.
If you have your own pick of a family, then strengthen your ties. Invest time in a few people… it will come back to you in your hour of need.
The JOY in all of this mentioned afore-hand is seeing the change in person’s lives, their resultant smiles and the obvious release of their souls from a lost, dejected state and having a hope for the future. To me, there is no greater reward than that.
Time to Quit Judging
I am not sure why some Christians have the tendency to “categorize” each other as to the mental philosophies in their heads or petty differences in lifestyle.. What happened to liking people and honoring them for what they have done, and more importantly, what they have done for you and other around you?
My dad honored all people equally from the start, giving them all the same opportunity to be a friend. He was even respectful of animals. He did not beat or punish me for my weaknesses or stupid mistakes. He would always be my father, no matter what, and he always said he was proud of me. And that my future was in my hands, not his. Well, really, my future HAD been set in stone long before, but that’s another story. Would I remotely consider worshipping a “god” who was less moral? CERTAINLY NOT. My father gave me a pattern for analyzing “good gods” and “bad gods,” imaginary or not.
So yes, I eventually had to make certain judgments about people as I got to know them:
(a) ignore much of what they say about themselves, and figure it out yourself objectively,
(b) Give them the opportunity of a doubt. When I go home to visit my family in Arkansas, where all day everyone watches Fox News and complains and hates against Pres. Obama, I tell myself they are not just a hateful person. They show as much love to others in different circumstances. So I don’t put people in files of personality types. I tend to avoid the divisive subjects (doctrine, politics and money) and get to developing a better friendship with the person. I do not know what will happen to them when they die… I doubt I will ever know that subject very well.
Younger Ones and Born-Ins
Born-ins will, despite refusing to go to a church for a number of reasons (some legitimate), may soon or later in life experience a sense of loneliness without a supernatural father of some sort. Knowing it could very well be a fantasy to believe in part or all of a religious philosophy, you must realize that such a need or tendency is part of our lives… if only to retain sanity. So not a few ex-JWs eventually join an evangelical, Pentecostal, Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Judaism, Bible Students churches or even other forms of “spirituality.” People will often look for what they WANT to believe, so give them that choice. Learn to separate the person from what clouds circle around in his/her head. They are often quite different than the everyday person’s life would suggest.
Years ago I belonged to the original Cult Awareness Network (now run by Scientologists!) and none of us asked about each other’s current religion, if any. We simply didn’t care. We were professionals, and were there to learn. So often today people judge others without the fruits of the Holy Spirit. In my opinion, you can have the most accurate understanding of history and what man has written and corrupted, and yet it will often make you less like Jesus’ lifestyle. Doctrinal debates are about egos… helping one another is about caring and supporting.
For those who have no use for spirituality or religion, I will say again it has never been my job to convert people. Many are better off without it at many times in their lives, or perhaps for good. But to the atheists and agnostics, you might be missing out on a way to improve the quality of your life by introducing spirituality as a consideration and a help, especially when you are down and out.
You may see the paradigm of worship of a God as “contrary to logic,” but let’s see how many areas of our lives we live and entertain what others would consider fantasies. See if you can think of how many fantasies you assume in your life each day.
Any takers?
Randall Watters
randyTV.com (new talk show)
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ABOUT TERRY
by Quentin interry was admitted to the hospital yesterday.
he has a severe case of cellulites which has affected his neck glands.
his face and neck are very swollen.
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Terry, If you have access to a phone, or have a phone I can call, let me know thru [email protected].
Randy
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ABOUT TERRY
by Quentin interry was admitted to the hospital yesterday.
he has a severe case of cellulites which has affected his neck glands.
his face and neck are very swollen.
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Wishing you peace and calm, Terry. You'll be fine.
Randy
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New Steven Hassan Interview by Randy Watters
by jamiebowers ini found this video posted on facebook.
it should also be on freeminds.org and freedomofmind.com .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_tu5o_webs.
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My little HD Canon camera ran out of memory and cut it short. :-))
Steve should be in town in another month. We'll do one that gets into some more questions next time about the book andf his work. If you have any questions you would like me to ask, email me at [email protected].
Randy
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New Steven Hassan Interview by Randy Watters
by jamiebowers ini found this video posted on facebook.
it should also be on freeminds.org and freedomofmind.com .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_tu5o_webs.
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Thanks! We're going to do a part two where he gets into the book next time he's in town.
Randy
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Thank you Randy Watters/Dogpatch for your honest answer concerning "Hellfire"
by booker-t ini was so glad to see an ex-jw born again christians that does not believe hellfire is a place of eternal damnation.
it was refreshing to read randy's thoughts on the subject.
after i left the jw's i had a hard time with born-agains especially ex-jws born-again almost demanding that i believe in hellfire torment.
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Thanks Booker-t,
In my generation we never discussed doctrine, even among Jesus People... I imagine it was the same way with the common Christian in the first two centuries... then men got busy with their minds. :-))
Randy
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A thread for those who have no support system or a place to go due to shunning.
by ohiocowboy inreading the recent thread about the young lady who just ended her life got me thinking that maybe there could be a thread that is easily accessible to anyone who may need help due to homelessness from losing their families and friends to shunning.
too often i hear stories about people who have lost everything, and have no where to go, and at the same time having no type of support system.
unfortunately there are some who are so lost that they feel that there are no options besides taking their own life.. i think that a website that matches people in need to others who can help in some way would be a great idea.
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Soon 13seconds.org will be a subsite on freeminds.org and is designed to be "a place to go" and will have several forums, free blogs, 2 contests a month for writing and vlogging and lots of variety, much of which will be designed for the younger crowd.
Working on it!
Randy
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A thread for those who have no support system or a place to go due to shunning.
by ohiocowboy inreading the recent thread about the young lady who just ended her life got me thinking that maybe there could be a thread that is easily accessible to anyone who may need help due to homelessness from losing their families and friends to shunning.
too often i hear stories about people who have lost everything, and have no where to go, and at the same time having no type of support system.
unfortunately there are some who are so lost that they feel that there are no options besides taking their own life.. i think that a website that matches people in need to others who can help in some way would be a great idea.
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I have a sight of the best volunteers possible to help Jehovah's Witnesses who want to contact them privately.
It is www.watchtowerworld.org .
IT'S FREE INFORMAL COUNSELING.
These are the movers and shakers who started the whole ex-JW movement, they are mostly retired, and can't wait to talk to a JW or an x-JW who needs help and privacy.
Click on "Gallery"
Randy
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Whatever happened to Watchtower Comments?
by braincleaned init saddens me that watchtower comments has been absent online for the past 3 years!
what the hell happened?
anyone knows?.
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Than ks Mamo!
Randy