Dogpatch
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Lawyer tells of agonising scenes as doctors forced to let a Jehovah's Witness who wanted to live, die
by 3Mozzies inlawyer tells of agonising scenes as doctors forced to let a jehovah's witness who wanted to live, die.. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/lawyer-tells-of-agonising-scenes-as-doctors-forced-to-let-a-jehovahs-witness-who-wanted-to-live-die-7879674.html.
a lawyer who advised doctors that they must let a 22-year-old jehovah's witness die even though he wanted to live has spoken of the agonising scenes before the young man's death.. robert tobin, a partner in the london law firm kennedys, was called in by an unnamed nhs trust when the man, a jehovahs witness who was critically ill with sickle cell anaemia, refused a blood transfusion which could have saved his life.. over three weeks the man gradually deteriorated as the crisis progressed, before eventually dying.
medical staff were understandably upset at seeing a patient deteriorate before their eyes knowing a simple procedure could have been provided that would have saved his life, mr tobin said.. the mans mother, also a jehovahs witness, was at her sons bedside, and an elder from the mans church also attended.
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Lawyer tells of agonising scenes as doctors forced to let a Jehovah's Witness who wanted to live, die
by 3Mozzies inlawyer tells of agonising scenes as doctors forced to let a jehovah's witness who wanted to live, die.. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/lawyer-tells-of-agonising-scenes-as-doctors-forced-to-let-a-jehovahs-witness-who-wanted-to-live-die-7879674.html.
a lawyer who advised doctors that they must let a 22-year-old jehovah's witness die even though he wanted to live has spoken of the agonising scenes before the young man's death.. robert tobin, a partner in the london law firm kennedys, was called in by an unnamed nhs trust when the man, a jehovahs witness who was critically ill with sickle cell anaemia, refused a blood transfusion which could have saved his life.. over three weeks the man gradually deteriorated as the crisis progressed, before eventually dying.
medical staff were understandably upset at seeing a patient deteriorate before their eyes knowing a simple procedure could have been provided that would have saved his life, mr tobin said.. the mans mother, also a jehovahs witness, was at her sons bedside, and an elder from the mans church also attended.
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Dogpatch
ABibleStudent says,
It is obvious that Mr Tobin does not know WTBTS doctrine on a couple of levels. JWs are not allowed to store their own blood for a future operation for themselves either. The WTBTS has a shun-gun pointed at the mind of all JWs, so how can that be interpreted as not being unduly influenced?
It seems that the WTBTS and its representatives are very good at spinning stories to protect the image of the WTBTS.
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Actually they are now allowed to store their own blood briefly, and not just in a running pump, but you won't find it in print. Zen from AJWRB could tell you more on that. More WT misinformation. Why? Because no one bothers to do further checks of their printed statements to see if that is what really happens. Many are happy to just quote the Watchtower mag and the Shepherding book. Very foolish. Zen of AJWRB.ORG has been talking to a few doctors recently, too, and is getting all kinds of interesting information.
The rest of you are arguing blood from a theological standpoint, because you still believe the WT does this because of religious reasons. NOT. You are wasting your time. Fred Franz invented this doctrine to bolster the persecution and attractiveness of the organization after Rutherford's many failures.
Blood Transfusion ban was Fred Franz's Invention
Attack the vile leaders who invented the doctrine... don't fall into their stupid shell games with the Bible. Russell made it very plain, as does every other commentary on Acts, that this was not a BINDING LAW on Christians, or it would defeat the whole message of GRACE and make them legalists, putting Christ back on the cross. You're arguing with Gene Smalley is just what they want. It takes the attention off the REAL crime. Smalley should rot in jail. Fred cFranz is already well-rotted by now. Good for him!
Here is why the Acts message about abstaining from blood has no bearing on the lives of Christians today...
Read this:
I am continually amazed at how successful the GB is at convincing the Witnesses how to make the WT's dogma out to be like it is their own doctrine!
The Sparlock video is a perfect example: use QUESTIONS to make a person feel guilty and don't TELL them what to do, but make them feel guilty if they don't. That slimy video deserves a BIG series of jokes, and many have already come through on Youtube with that. IT WORKS, FOLKS. IT WORKED with Scientology as well and the Anonymous group.
I'm so pissed off I'm going to create a cartoon strip a la "South Park" on the Sparlock stuff. I think I'll play Cartman-style myself. :-))
Please, all of you, do more reading on cults (not the Watchtower). You'll understand human nature a lot better.
The most powerful way to kill off cults is to make fun of them, but not with malice. (That's why former victims should not do this... only if you were not burned by the WT yourself, so you do not subconsciously inject your own anger into the mocking.)
It is just funny. Think Armageddon Okies.
Why is making fun of them so effective? Because their egos are ENORMOUS and can't take the heat, and they GO OFF on you. The public sees that, and it's like watching Tom Cruise jump up and down on Oprah Winfrey's show like a nut. His cred will never be the same. And the public LOVES it, innoculating them. It's like listening to Charles Manson talk... you can never again take him seriously as to his thoughts. He is a complete idiot.
Don't believe ANYTHING the WT says.
This is precisely my point in my article on the WT's Unholy Trinity at: http://www.freeminds.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3200:how-the-watchtowers-unholy-trinity-speaks&catid=16:ethics&Itemid=702, which ALSO applies in the case of pedophilia - different levels of secrecy and policy. The comical thing is that many of you actually BELIEVE that what the Watchtower says they teach is how they will really act... obviously you have not worked with these creeps. They even hold back information and hidden policies from Circuit and District overseers, let alone elders and the "Shepherding" book. Harley Miller revisited.
I WILL SAY IT AGAIN - if you believe the WT even after being out of it for years, you need to be exit-counseled. Or at LEAST read books that tell stories of how large corporations hide information and mislead even their own top executives, all to keep the organization alive. GET AN EDUCATION ON THIS SUBJECT.
In this case, it looks like the WT got just what they wanted. They confuse and guilt-trip the average JW into going FAR BEYOND the WT's latest policies, even those written in their mags, because they can't keep up with it, and are so afraid they will die for all eternity they don't want to take ANY chances of slipping up. They WOULD NOT have DF'ed this young man - it was HIS DECISION... boosted by fear-induction from the elders who stop short of promising DFing. This happens all the time. The history of the Society tells many of these stories where JWs go BEYOND current WT written policy due to the effectiveness of the brainwashing! They make it appear that the decision is really the victim's - because it is! But nothing would have happened to the voung man if he took blood. The congo would not have DFed him.
Now he is DEAD.
The WT can wash their hands of any "wrongdoing," as it was his decision. Another feather in the cap for Gene Smalley and Fred Rusk.
Gene Smalley y la Doctrina de Transfusión de Sangre de la Watchtower
Friday 20 April 2007 [arriba: Gene Smalley como se vio en la posada del IMPACTANTE video de PBS en el 2006] [En preparación para este artículo llamé a Gene Smalley a Betel el 29/3/07 para estar seguro que él todavía estaba vivo y aleteando. Ustedes pueden leer el resumen...Gene Smalley e Doutrina da Torre de Vigia de Transfusão de Sangue
Thursday 03 February 2011 Randy diz: Em preparação para este artigo Liguei Gene Smalley em Betel em 3/29/07 para se certificar de que ele ainda estava vivo e chutando. Recentemente eu tive de comunicação com uma toupeira de Betel, que esteve lá muitos anos, e está a par de...Gene Smalley and the Watchtower's Blood Transfusion Doctrine
Tuesday 03 April 2007 Randy says: In preparation for this article I called Gene Smalley at Bethel on 3/29/07 to make sure he was still alive and kicking. Recently I have had communication with a mole from Bethel who has been there many years, and is privy to certain...
And as for the Candace Conti case...
I posted after several pages on my original post at:
The main players in this case are convinced that the WT cannot get out of it by a bond.
I would imagine that an attorney who has prosecuted dozens of cases like this with the Catholic Church would at least know that much and tell their clients as such, but this is not the case.
That's all I can say for now. We shall see.
Randy
It seems that no one bothered to contact Cynthia Hampton or had any contact with Candace herself. THEY are the main players in this case. Why speculate when you were not even there???
But keep in mind that both Candace and her mother Katherine are still technically JWs, which is even better, as we watch to see how the WT spins their DFing or DAing. Or will they DF them? Time will tell.
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More lawsuits need to be filed with this decision.
by Momma-Tossed-Me ineveryone who is mentally ready should file a lawsuit or at the very least contact silent lambs..
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Dogpatch
Personally, I would contact Rick Simons, who has had several cases against the Roman Cathoic Church, and is quite a good attorney. He is Candace' attorney:
For those who have been victimized and would like to talk with Candace Conti's attorney, here is the info:
Rick Simons, Attorney
Furtado, Jaspovice & Simons
22274 Main Street
Hayward, CA 94541
T: 510-582-1080 F: 510-582-8254
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Looking for Candice Conti Video Interview
by dontplaceliterature in@ barbara anderson or anyone else who knows.... is there going to be a video interview sometime?
i thought i saw it mentioned on another thread, but haven't seen anything.
with all the other molestation scandles receiving video coverage lately, you would think this would also get a nod.
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Dogpatch
Keep in mind that Katherine (mother of Candace) and Candace are still technically Jehovah's Witnesses (the father never joined).
There may be reasons not to have ex-JWS ("apostates") invbolved. No need to give the WT ammunition to discredit the case yet.
Randy
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VIDEO: Judge forces Jehovah's Witness parents to allow transfusion for daughter with cancer!
by 3Mozzies inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bb-gem8ehk&feature=plcp.
also here on vimeo: http://vimeo.com/44370032.
aired on australian tv june 2nd 2012.
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Dogpatch
Zen and I will make believers out of you all yet. :-))
Randy
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The latest on blood
by PrincessCynic inso the local elders where i live recently had a big meeting with the hlc elders and i got a brief summary of what was said.
thought i'd share.. it seems the jws aren't capable of making a decision based on their personal conscience.
they are confused by the whole fraction thing and end up refusing the lot 'just in case' or accepting some and refusing others making them look like idiots.
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VIDEO: Judge forces Jehovah's Witness parents to allow transfusion for daughter with cancer!
by 3Mozzies inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bb-gem8ehk&feature=plcp.
also here on vimeo: http://vimeo.com/44370032.
aired on australian tv june 2nd 2012.
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Dogpatch
"Neither (the father) nor his wife and the wider Jehovah's Witness church would treat (the girl) any differently if the court orders she have the blood transfusion."
Justice White handed down his decision immediately.
More evidence they arte not into DFing or DAing for taking blood in emergencies... unless it's willful apostasy against their teachings.
Randy
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Silentlambs says Watchtower's Assets frozen only for a very short time
by chichimama_2 infound here.
https://www.facebook.com/williamh.bowen.
highlights mine.
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The main players in this case are convinced that the WT cannot get out of it by a bond.
I would imagine that an attorney who has prosecuted dozens of cases like this with the Catholic Church would at least know that much and tell their clients as such, but this is not the case.
That's all I can say for now. We shall see.
Randy
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Watchtower's Billion Dollars of Property Cannot Be Sold until Outcome of Conti Appeal
by Dogpatch in30 minutes ago i just got off the phone with some important players in this case, and some things were relayed to me concerning a lot of details of the outcome of the last two days of court.
i am passing this on.
cynthia hampton, one of the main players in the candace conti case (and a close friend of 28 years), just informed me of a further, far more powerful move by the state of california against the watch tower bible and tract society of new york, inc.. by order of the superior court of the state of california - county of alameda (see documents below), until the watch tower's appeal, which won't begin until august 13th and will take up to two years to settle due to due process of law, has forbidden the watch tower to sell any more of its $1 billion in assets in the borough of brooklyn until the appeals case is finished, to assure they won't shelter their monies in the light of this most huge and devastating sexual abuse scandal ever to hit the watch tower society, and perhaps any other single-victim lawsuit.
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The main players in this case are convinced that the WT cannot get out of it by a bond.
I would imagine that an attorney who has prosecuted dozens of cases like this with the Catholic Church would at least know that much and tell their clients as such, but this is not the case.
That's all I can say for now. We shall see.
Randy
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My testimony June 23rd
by mouthy ini have been invited to share it on radio.on healing exjws by agustin astacio.
those who pray,please do it for me those who dont send good vibes,please.
those who dont like me stay in bed.... dont get up.....
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