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  WHAT do YOU know about JESUS... and His teachings?

  by hibiscusfire in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am interested to know what you know about jesus and what you really think of his teachings.. the bible says there is only one way to heaven.. jesus said: "i am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father but by me.

  " (john 14:6) .

  the lord jesus was crucified and shed his precious blood to wipe away our sins (revelation 1:5).

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  serotonin_wraith

  These arguments are so simple to destroy. First, all the writing about this Jesus isn't contemporary. It comes much much later than the time he supposedly existed. Nobody alive during the 'time of Jesus' ever wrote about him. Hmmm, you'd think they would.

  I know a man called Steve who lived in London and travelled down to a port and went to New York on a ship. On the way there, he jumped into the sea, caught seventy fish in his mouth AND managed to get back on board before the ship reached its destination. Now, do you believe he did those things? You should do if you agree with hibie's argument, because there are some real place names included- New York and London. They really exist. Therefore, the rest of the story is completely true.
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  WHAT do YOU know about JESUS... and His teachings?

  by hibiscusfire in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am interested to know what you know about jesus and what you really think of his teachings.. the bible says there is only one way to heaven.. jesus said: "i am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father but by me.

  " (john 14:6) .

  the lord jesus was crucified and shed his precious blood to wipe away our sins (revelation 1:5).

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  serotonin_wraith

  hibie:

  The only thing is that he didn't die on the cross for the world. Jesus did. BIG DIFFERENCE man.

  But like the crowd in the story, you believe that based on no evidence whatsoever. Saying Jesus died on a cross for our sins doesn't make it true. Here, let me try doing that...

  It is true that I have a million pounds/dollars/whatever in the bank.

  *checks account details*

  ...Bugger. It seems that saying something is true doesn't make it so. But that's the argument you're giving.
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  WHAT do YOU know about JESUS... and His teachings?

  by hibiscusfire in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am interested to know what you know about jesus and what you really think of his teachings.. the bible says there is only one way to heaven.. jesus said: "i am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father but by me.

  " (john 14:6) .

  the lord jesus was crucified and shed his precious blood to wipe away our sins (revelation 1:5).

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  serotonin_wraith

  Thank you for taking the time to tell us that entertaining story, hibie. I hope you don't mind if I share one with you.

  You can be one of the fools who believes in something without evidence because so many around you do and you want to follow the crowd, and I can be the small child who isn't afriad to state the obvious and call you a fool.
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  WHAT do YOU know about JESUS... and His teachings?

  by hibiscusfire in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am interested to know what you know about jesus and what you really think of his teachings.. the bible says there is only one way to heaven.. jesus said: "i am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father but by me.

  " (john 14:6) .

  the lord jesus was crucified and shed his precious blood to wipe away our sins (revelation 1:5).

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  serotonin_wraith

  Why does the story of Jesus get repeated all the time in theists' arguments, we all know the story. Using the Bible to back the Bible up is circular logic. Shall I paste passages from Lord of the Rings to prove those events REALLY happened?

  If you would only put FAITH in God, and Pray in FAITH that His Holy Spirit would fill you this day, the first thing in morning, each and every morning, then read His Word after doing so, your FAITH in Him would grow like a mustard seed that sprouts, to fill your fleshly body with the fullness of His Holy Spirit, and you would come to know Him, and let Him direct your steps, and you would come to realize that He has always been there for you, but you have turned your backs on Him.

  In other words, if you start to believe in God with no evidence, then eventually you will feel that you believe in God (with no evidence). Hmmm...
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  WHAT do YOU know about JESUS... and His teachings?

  by hibiscusfire in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am interested to know what you know about jesus and what you really think of his teachings.. the bible says there is only one way to heaven.. jesus said: "i am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father but by me.

  " (john 14:6) .

  the lord jesus was crucified and shed his precious blood to wipe away our sins (revelation 1:5).

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  serotonin_wraith

  Girl God created time. He gave us days and nights. He gave us the hours, minutes and seconds. Without God, we would be nothing. What proof? You are experiencing it.

  With logic like that, no wonder you are foolish enough to believe in a talking snake, a talking donkey, a man coming back to life after three days and flying into the sky, a man living in a whale, a big invisible dragon loose on the Earth and every species of animal living on a boat for 40 days while a flood went higher than Mount Everest 4,000 years ago.

  Is the real reason you're trying to convince people to think like you do that you won't feel so stupid if many others share this belief? If only you believed in Jesus, would you question your sanity?
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  Seeing Patterns That Aren't There?

  by hmike in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in his book, how we believe, religious skeptic michael shermer states "in our complex and contingent world, random events often happen in seemingly peculiar sequences that cry out for meaning.

  we usually rise to the occasion, finding patterns in nature even when they do not exist or have no real significance...." a claim somewhat along this line was made in the tv show numb3rs by mathematics professor epps--that people look for, and think they find, patterns in random events.. you can't watch a movie or tv show about crime without seeing detectives attempting to solve crimes by trying to find patterns in a collection of information.

  they work backwards from the end result to find links between the pieces of information and possibly back to a cause.. yes, we look for patterns.

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  serotonin_wraith

  There could be something behind the scenes controlling evolution, who knows? But to compare that example to us, some adjustments need to be made. Firstly, the set of humans saying there is someone behind evolution have no more reason to believe that than those who say they need proof. Rather than it being one group of people with actual knowledge and proof (like the ones who know people are controlling the machinery), it's two groups of people who both cannot know for sure. One group has just decided to say there is a creator/controller, and give it all kinds of attributes too. Until there is some reason to believe that, the default position should be 'we don't know'.

  Secondly, proof is available for anyone who doubts in your example. They only need to show the machines being made, or go to the control room and see how things are controlled. There's no proof for a creator being involved with us at all.
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  A Jesus Fish-Bone: The Life and Experiences of JCanon

  by GetBusyLiving in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i just thought i would start a thread wherein we could get some background info on jcanon without any of the end times predictions.

  just want to get a feel for who this person is, what type of environment helped mold his world view, and what his likes and dislikes are.

  whatever your opinion of him you have to admit that he's a character.

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  serotonin_wraith

  It was no more than a court case arguing whether or not Satan should be condemned to death. He was. The concensus was, even if he felt he had no choice about his wicked course and rebellion, there is no excuse for killing several billion innocent humans. You can't justify that.
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  i'm a little drunk

  by bigdreaux in

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  2. friends

  i am such a lightweight!!!!!

  i stopped drinking all together for months.

  no reason, just, had no desire.

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  serotonin_wraith

  Say some "obnoxious jerk" things!
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  TO BARBARA ANDERSON: MY FOURTEEN YEAR OLD SON

  by deborahs_song in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello barbara,.

  i commend your effort to correct the watchtower society.

  god knows they need it!

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  serotonin_wraith

  Atheism isn't a belief as such, rather a lack of belief in a god. That's all it takes to be an atheist.

  If you mean evolution and the real age of our universe, then I'm quite happy to let the schools teach my child that- I'm in the UK and here they teach that evolution is a fact, and that the universe is between 13 and 15 billion years old. Basically, reality. I do believe reality would be good enough for my child. Anything else... isn't real.
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  TO BARBARA ANDERSON: MY FOURTEEN YEAR OLD SON

  by deborahs_song in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello barbara,.

  i commend your effort to correct the watchtower society.

  god knows they need it!

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  serotonin_wraith

  serotonin_wraith,

  Is it really possible for parents to in some degree not indoctrinate their children? Don't atheist parents influence their children to be atheists? Don't Catholic parents do the same? It is natural for parents to train their children as they believe. My husband and I believe that Jesus taught the worship of Jehovah not himself. We believe Jesus taught us to love our neighbor not to kill him in wars. Because we believe these teachings are good we try to instill them in our children. "Ophelia" is a young adult she will one day be on her own and free to make her own choices just as her older brother is but for now we are charged with the responsibility to do what we feel is best for our minor children.

  I can't speak for all atheists, but I can speak for myself. As an atheist, I would never make my child think as I do. I would give them the free reign of all choices. Atheism, Hindu, Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Scientology, Mormon, Thor belief, Ra belief, etc etc etc. I would widen the selection considerably to encompass a wide range of beliefs. By teaching a child only one belief, we limit their choices.

  I too believe treating people with kindness is the best way to act- however, I wouldn't need to teach them Jesus was born of a virgin to accomplish this. The 'golden rule' is a good one on its own without having to teach everything else the 'good book' has to offer as truth. One day she will be able to choose for herself, but there is no denying that teaching a young child your beliefs will influence their decision in a huge way. When she is old enough, she may feel she has to follow Jesus (as apparently has happened with you after your parents taught you their beliefs) or she may find it hard to think for herself because she'll be afraid of the eternal punishment your religion teaches. People don't suddenly start to form their own opinions at 18 or 21- they can be formed in childhood, and become extremely hard to shake off. Adulthood can bring about changes, but it all depends on how weak or strong the mind is.