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  The Greek word 'pais'

  by Zico in

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  from matthew 8:5-13 - .

  5when jesus had entered capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help.

  6"lord," he said, "my servant lies at home paralyzed and in terrible suffering.

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  Thanks Narkissos. :)
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  ONE !!!!!!! 1 ONESIE! Baptism this weekend!

  by MinisterAmos in

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  a child about eight y/o got dunked this circuit convention and that was it!.

  about 850 in attendance.. .

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  8 years old... That's so wrong.
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  The Greek word 'pais'

  by Zico in

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  from matthew 8:5-13 - .

  5when jesus had entered capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help.

  6"lord," he said, "my servant lies at home paralyzed and in terrible suffering.

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  From Matthew 8:5-13 -
  
  5When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6"Lord," he said, "my servant lies at home paralyzed and in terrible suffering." 7Jesus said to him, "I will go and heal him." 8The centurion replied, "Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, 'Go,' and he goes; and that one, 'Come,' and he comes. I say to my servant, 'Do this,' and he does it." 10When Jesus heard this, he was astonished and said to those following him, "I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 13Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go! It will be done just as you believed it would." And his servant was healed at that very hour
  
  I read recently, that the original text uses the word pais instead of servant, which is said to actually mean male child slave that is kept for sex. Jesus compliments the centurion on his faith, says nothing in condemnation of the relationship, and cures the 'servant'. Supposedly, this type of relationship was common in these times, and wasn't considered inappropriate, but now this is translated 'servant' as people wouldn't like the idea of Jesus doing a miracle for someone with a child sex slave.
  
  Taken from religioustolerance.org:
  
  "These verses describe how a Roman centurion asked Jesus to cure his "pais" who lay paralyzed and in great agony. The centurion stated that all Jesus had to do was to say the right words to effect the cure. Jesus praised the centurion for his faith. If the boy had been the centurion's son, then the author probably would have used the Greek word "uios" (son). If the writer wanted to imply that they boy was a slave or indentured servant, then he probably would have used the word "duolos" (slave). But he did not. He used the Greek word pais which, in this situation, contains the suggestion of a young male kept for sexual purposes by his adult owner. The English word "pederasty" comes partly from this word. Various translations of the Christian Scriptures have suppressed the possible sexual component of the term and translated the word simply as a "servant boy", "serving boy", "young servant," "my son," and "my boy." A present-day relationship of this type would be considered child sexual abuse, a serious crime. However, such arrangements were common in the Roman Empire at the time, and were tolerated by society, as was slavery itself.
  
  The Gospel of Luke, starting at Luke 7:2 told the same story differently. The boy was changed into a slave of undefined age who was "dear to" (KJV) the Centurion. The author used the Greek word doulos which is a generic term for servant or slave. He was described as being very sick and near death; this contrasts with the author of Matthew who description of a boy being paralyzed and in great pain."
  
  Any thoughts? Is servant an accurate translation?
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  Is it true...

  by Justahuman24 in

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  that "judge" rutherford was gay or was involved in homosexual acts?

  i read somewhere that he did and married because he didn't want attention for being single.. justahuman - but super nonetheless.

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  'that "Judge" Rutherford was gay or was involved in homosexual acts? I read somewhere that he did and married because he didn't want attention for being single.'
  
  I've read rumours that people thought Knorr was gay, and that he got married to end these rumours, which might be true as his relationship was said to be celibate.
  
  Rutherford was seperated from his wife. There are also rumours that he had a mistress.
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  Should all JW's know by know about the changes to the Watchtower mag?

  by oppgirl63 in

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  when i picked my roommate up last night from her bookstudy, i asked her if they had announced the information about there being a separate watchtower for the public.

  she said she had never heard of such a thing and asked where i heard that.

  i told her i read it on the boards.

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  I haven't been to a meeting in a while, but I just checked with some members in my Congregation, and they know nothing of any change, so it's not been confirmed in every Congregation yet.
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  Familiarizing Newbies with the JWD Forum

  by Frannie Banannie in

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  newbies take a look around at this forum on your screen.. did you make a post yesterday and can't find it now?

  up in the lefthand corner of the screen under the jwd forum logo, you'll find your poster name.

  if you "click" on it, your profile page will appear and you can "click" on your "posting history" and locate that post you made and see any post that others made after it.

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  If you're not in IE, you're screwed.
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  A Spitzer Opportunity? ( The WTS and Taxes)

  by metatron in

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  does the society make payments in lieu of taxes in new york state?

  i know that when suiter.

  was treasurer they fought tooth and nail to hold on to their tax exempt status for the brooklyn .

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  All tax exempt organizations should be forced to show obvious, physical benefit to their communities -such as soup kitchens and the like.

  If the community demanded tax exempt Organisations do this, you can guarantee the Society would suddenly start doing it, and also praise themselves in the magazines for doing so.
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  What do you think is behind the watchtower change in 2008 ?

  by 5go in

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  i think it's an atempt to catch faders or atleast make active dubs feel special.

  it also could be a cost cutting measure to though.

  getting rid of the km's and even up awakes and watchtowers would save some trees.

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  I think the biggest shift is toward building more and more Kingdom Halls in the areas where there needed. Any cost savings in other areas certainly find productive use in developing lands.

  But Fred, they don't pay for the buildings, the Congregation does.
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  The New World Translation is a Mess

  by Amazing in

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  the new world translation (nwt) contains thousands of serious errors.

  the following regarding john 1:1, one of the most noteworthy verses to jehovah's witness and ex-jehovah's witnesses alike, provides a case example of how and why the nwt cannot be trusted.

  there some few scholars that translate the word was "a god" or "a god" or "divine" but they are in the very low percentages.. in greek john 1:1 says: "en arche en ho logos, kai ho logos en pros ton theon, kai theos en ho logos.

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  onacruse, I know hardly anything about Greek, but I am wondering, if their translation as 'a god' is so admissable, why do they have to resort to deceit in order to defend it?
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  Ex- JWs

  by DJK in

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  is this site for ex jws like myself

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  This board is for everyone! (But has mainly x-jws on it!) Welcome.