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  The WTS and Dictatorship

  by Defender in

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  a lot of comparisons have been made between the wts and political dictatorial governments.

  some hope that while the political dictatorial governments tend to develop fatal flaws that eventually bring about their demise, the same may be happening in the wts.

  while there may be outward similarities between wts and dictatorial regimes, but the inherent political and social power structure is different.

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  A lot of comparisons have been made between the WTS and political dictatorial governments. Some hope that while the political dictatorial governments tend to develop fatal flaws that eventually bring about their demise, the same may be happening in the WTS. While there may be outward similarities between WTS and dictatorial regimes, but the inherent political and social power structure is different.

  One very big difference is that the majority of the population who live under tyrannical dictatorship, while they had no say in choosing such leadership, nonetheless, have no choice but to live under it. The average JW VOLUNTARILY chooses to submit to the dictatorial will of the WTS, thinking that it is from God. This behavior is not normal in the real political world. People living under severe dictatorship try to escape it and few if any will want to come and live under it.

  Once JWs are inside the system, they become its most fervent defenders. Even in the face of obvious flaws and errors, JWs would create excuse after excuse in support of the system. This again is not normal in the real political world. Apart from the elite ruling party members, the average citizen of a tyrannical regime would readily accept the flaws of the system or the leadership and would be open to change. It is this element of the disgruntled majority that eventually brings about the end of tyranny and political change. The latest events in the country of Georgia are prime example.

  Sadly, there does not exist within the WTS a disgruntled majority that is willing to accept the existence of flaws and is open to change. Those that do eventually see the errors find it very hard to convince others, become inactive and place themselves outside the system. Thus no critical mass is built IN the system to effect change.

  What could bring about change in the WTS is another schism at the top. The Governing Body has to equally split with members on both sides possessing enough clout, capital and followers to rent the WTS in half. Even at this stage, change is done from the top. One part of the WTS will continue in its old tradition and the other part would be the one introducing change, albeit a disciplined change accompanied with a lot of out of context Scriptures to justify it. However, splitting the WTS is like splitting the atom, a lot of material will leak out. Many JWs will simply walk out. This is their real chance of change and freedom.
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  Maple Leafs Win Stanley Cup!

  by Defender in

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  a bunch of canadians died and went to hell.

  they were confined to a fiery damnation.

  however, everytime satan raised the heat, the canadians would only rejoice and celebrate.

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  A bunch of Canadians died and went to Hell. They were confined to a fiery damnation. However, everytime Satan raised the heat, the Canadians would only rejoice and celebrate. Satan was bewildered and went to ask them why. "We are from Canada." They replied. "It is cold. We just love the heat. Could you please turn the heat more?"

  In his spite, Satan turned the heat all the way down and things started to get cold, very cold. Eventually, things started to freeze. At this time, Satan heard the Canadians screaming, dancing and jumping in Joy. He hurriedly went down to enquire. "The Maple Leafs have won the Stanley Cup." They shouted. "How did you know that?" Satan asked. "Hell froze over" they replied.
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  Gearing Up For New Expansion

  by Defender in

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  the society is actively gearing up for possible new territories being opened up in the aftermath of war with

  officially, jws are banned from these countries but there are existing underground congregations and groups.. .

  despite having moslem majorities, there are millions of greek orthodox, catholic, and other eastern churches christians in these countries.

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  Simon! I give up.
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  Gearing Up For New Expansion

  by Defender in

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  the society is actively gearing up for possible new territories being opened up in the aftermath of war with

  officially, jws are banned from these countries but there are existing underground congregations and groups.. .

  despite having moslem majorities, there are millions of greek orthodox, catholic, and other eastern churches christians in these countries.

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  Defender

  What is wrong with this board? It keeps eating up parts of my posts.

  Here is another attempt to place the full post:

  The Society is actively gearing up for possible new territories being opened up in the aftermath of war with

  Officially, JWs are banned from these countries but there are existing underground congregations and groups.

  Despite having Moslem majorities, there are millions of Greek Orthodox, Catholic, and other eastern churches Christians in these countries. Some of these existing eastern churches date back to the time when the apostle Peter went to in the first century. They are going to be prime targets of preaching activities of not only the JWs, but the Mormons, Scientologists, and other fundamental evangelist churches.

  In the coming war, the is not only going to be dropping US made bombs, but also US made politics, US made culture and US made religions.

  No doubt, the Society is going to label this a blessing from Jehovah for having finally opened those territories.

  A couple of questions come to mind here and are directed to the TWO GBs who are in the .

  To the GB that resides in Brooklyn: How come Jehovah waited some 2000 years to open these territories to the Christian “truth” a la JW style?

  To the GB that resides in the White House: How can you claim to be a Christian and start all your cabinet meetings with prayers to the Lord and then order massive bombardments and sanctions on countries where there are millions of Christians who are supposed to be your brothers?
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  Gearing Up For New Expansion

  by Defender in

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  the society is actively gearing up for possible new territories being opened up in the aftermath of war with

  officially, jws are banned from these countries but there are existing underground congregations and groups.. .

  despite having moslem majorities, there are millions of greek orthodox, catholic, and other eastern churches christians in these countries.

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  The Society is actively gearing up for possible new territories being opened up in the aftermath of war with

  Officially, JWs are banned from these countries but there are existing underground congregations and groups.

  Despite having Moslem majorities, there are millions of Greek Orthodox, Catholic, and other eastern churches Christians in these countries. Some of these existing eastern churches date back to the time when the apostle Peter went to in the first century. They are going to be prime targets of preaching activities of not only the JWs, but the Mormons, Scientologists, and other fundamental evangelist churches.

  In the coming war, the is not only going to be dropping US made bombs, but also US made politics, US made culture and US made religions.

  No doubt, the Society is going to label this a blessing from Jehovah for having finally opened those territories.

  A couple of questions come to mind here and are directed to the TWO GBs who are in the .

  To the GB that resides in Brooklyn: How come Jehovah waited some 2000 years to open these territories to the Christian “truth” a la JW style?

  To the GB that resides in the White House: How can you claim to be a Christian and start all your cabinet meetings with prayers to the Lord and then order massive bombardments and sanctions on countries where there are millions of Christians who are supposed to be your brothers?
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  Gearing Up For New Expansion

  by Defender in

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  the society is actively gearing up for possible new territories being opened up in the aftermath of war with

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  The Society is actively gearing up for possible new territories being opened up in the aftermath of war with
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  The Three Hs...(Another Try)

  by Defender in

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  i do not know why my previous post was truncated.

  here goes another try.... in answering the question about why do jws continue to believe whatever the society prints and postulates we must start with an inward look at ourselves.

  every person had his or her own reason to become a jw.

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  I do not know why my previous post was truncated. Here goes another try...

  In answering the question about why do JWs continue to believe whatever the Society prints and postulates we must start with an inward look at ourselves. Every person had his or her own reason to become a JW. In fact, when we were JWs the first question we used to ask of those we recently meet, say in the Hall or at assemblies, was how did they become a JW? Or, what is it that drew them to the "Truth"?

  Those that were not born in JW families had several answers. I have heard people say that they became JWs because their teachings had the "ring of truth". Some said that they became JWs because the other churches were bad. Or, since there is one God, then there must be only one true religion and JWs is it. Others became JWs because their lives were in shambles (drugs, alcoholism, violence, sex, marital or family problems etc.) and JWism "The Truth" was a way out. In short, there is no one short answer as to why people become JWs.

  While that may be true, however, there are underlining qualities that apply to almost all that eventually become JWs. As a matter of fact, the Society itself teaches its adherents to look for those qualities when trying to convert others. I am sure some of you will remember the "Three Hs" that make a person prime prospect; Humility, Hunger for Spiritual things, and Honesty. If you think about this and try to examine your own personal reasons as to why you became a JW, you will notice, at least at that time, that you did possess these underlining qualities when you came in contact with JWs. JWism offered us a guise of humility, a lot of so called "deep spiritual material", and some outward honesty.

  We not only fell for it, we wanted so bad to become part of it and quickly before Armageddon comes. I remember I could not wait to finish my bible study (in fact it was study in their own literature) in order to be baptized.

  We were like sheep without a shepherd. The Society’s main problem is that it continues to shepherd those sheep towards its own version of greener pastures and not to what it is supposed to do as a true slave of Christ, and that is to point the way to Christ as the only true shepherd. As helpless sheep, we continued to revolve around their ever-revolving doctrines and teachings that lead us nowhere.

  In order to really abandon JW teachings and free ourselves from their traps, we had to develop another essential quality and that is courage, courage to examine their history and teachings, courage to have an independent thinking ability. Courage to love God and his Son apart from mere humans who claim to be the authorized channel. Courage to stand up for what is right even at the risk of losing our privileges, positions, associations, friends and even family members.

  That is why the Society, by its teachings and doctrines instills a sense of cowardice in all its followers in order to continue its hold over them. By claiming itself to be the only authorized channel of Jehovah and God’s Organization on Earth, as JWs we had courage to stand up to the whole world and even die in defense of our belief, but were mortally afraid and cowards to question obvious errors in teachings, interpretations and behavior within the Society.

  Because of our humble nature, a necessary quality to becoming a JW, real and unhindered courage did not come easy. Nor does it come easy to the millions of JWs today who continue to follow the Society no matter where it leads them.

  Let us thank God for granting us courage that has helped free us from this man made slavery. I just pray that God will give real courage to all JWs and especially those close to us that are still enslaved in order that they too might be freed.
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  The Three Hs

  by Defender in

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  in answering the question about why do jws continue to believe whatever the society prints and postulates we must start with an inward look at ourselves.

  every person had his or her own reason to become a jw.

  in fact, when we were jws the first question we used to ask of those we recently meet, say in the hall or at assemblies, was how did they become a jw?

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  In answering the question about why do JWs continue to believe whatever the Society prints and postulates we must start with an inward look at ourselves. Every person had his or her own reason to become a JW. In fact, when we were JWs the first question we used to ask of those we recently meet, say in the Hall or at assemblies, was how did they become a JW? Or, what is it that drew them to the "Truth"?
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  Deceptions That Do Not Lead To Everlasting Life

  by Defender in

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  satan deceived the first woman in eden by questioning the integrity and truthfulness of god with words like: is it really so that god said you must not eat from every tree of the garden?

  and when eve responded in the negative and the warning of death if she eats from or touches the tree in the middle of garden, satan replied: you positively will not die.

  for god knows that in the very day of your eating from it your eyes are bound to be opened and you are bound to be like god, knowing good and bad.

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  Satan deceived the first woman in Eden by questioning the integrity and truthfulness of God with words like: Is it really so that God said you must not eat from every tree of the garden? and when Eve responded in the negative and the warning of death if she eats from or touches the tree in the middle of garden, Satan replied: You positively will not die. For God knows that in the very day of your eating from it your eyes are bound to be opened and you are bound to be like God, knowing good and bad. (Gen 3:1-5)

  Satan lured Eve and Adam into thinking that they can become Godlike and escape death by willfully ignoring Gods explicit command.

  Today, Satan is using deception to lure people away from Gods plan of salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ. He is achieving that in a number of ways. Among Jehovahs Witnesses, the deception used is kind of reverse argument of what was used in Eden but with deadly consequences nonetheless.

  The societys teachings go something like this;

  Is it really so that God said that to obtain eternal life one must put faith in Him and his Son Jesus?

  The Society will rspond: You will positively die. For even after putting faith in God and his Son Jesus, to earn salvation, you must associate with us and do what we tell you to do. You must attend the five weekly meetings, and you must submit your monthly service record and you must attend the assemblies and must distribute our publications and disseminate our teachings

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  Is it really so that Jesus said that if you put faith in him and follow him you will inherit the heavenly kingdom and pass over from judgment to everlasting life?

  The Society will respond;
  You will positively die, for even after putting faith in Jesus, you will still not earn everlasting life and you will still have to undergo Judgment. For you will have to obey our directives and teachings and remain faithful through Armageddon and the 1000 years Judgment day and the final test when Satan is released."

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  Is it really so that God said if you put faith in Jesus Christ and follow him, He will resurrect you with a spiritual immortal body the same body as the risen Jesus and that you will be with Christ in heaven?

  The Society will add;
  You will positively not inherit a spiritual immortal body like the risen Jesus. Jesus only promised this for a select 144,000 of which only about 8000 are alive today. Obviously, you are not one of them. To be eligible, if any, one of the 144,000 must have had committed an unforgivable sin and thus a space is opened up to replace him. Only those that have put in many years of service for us and have been loyal to us may be eligible for selection.

  The Societys doctrines and teachings put to question the truthfulness and integrity of Gods and Christs promises to those that put faith in them. It is seriously obscuring the spiritual relationship that one will have with the Father and His Son Jesus and it is seriously jeopardizing ones chances of eternal life.
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  More Bushisms

  by Defender in

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  "i think the american people - i hope the american - i don't think, let me - i hope the american people trust me.

  "washington, d.c., dec. 18, 2002 .

  "we need an energy bill that encourages consumption.

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  "I think the American people - I hope the American - I don't think, let me - I hope the American people trust me."Washington, D.C., Dec. 18, 2002

  "We need an energy bill that encourages consumption."Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002

  "The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein because of the nature of Saddam Hussein, the history of Saddam Hussein, and his willingness to terrorize himself."Grand Rapids, Mich., Jan. 29, 2003

  "When Iraq is liberated, you will be treated, tried, and persecuted as a war criminal."Washington, D.C., Jan. 22, 2003 (Thanks to Chad Conwell.)

  "One year ago today, the time for excuse-making has come to an end."Washington, D.C., Jan. 8, 2003

  "There's only one person who hugs the mothers and the widows, the wives and the kids upon the death of their loved one. Others hug but having committed the troops, I've got an additional responsibility to hug and that's me and I know what it's like."Washington

  "Any time we've got any kind of inkling that somebody is thinking about doing something to an American and something to our homeland, you've just got to know we're moving on it, to protect the United Nations Constitution, and at the same time, we're protecting you."Aberdeen, S.D., same day (Thanks to George Dupper.)

  "Let me tell you my thoughts about tax relief. When your economy is kind of ooching along, it's important to let people have more of their own money."Boston, Oct. 4, 2002

  "You see, the Senate wants to take away some of the powers of the administrative branch."Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2002

  "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame onshame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again."Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

  "There's no doubt in my mind that we should allow the world worst leaders to hold America hostage, to threaten our peace, to threaten our friends and allies with the world's worst weapons."South Bend, Ind., Sept. 5, 2002

  "Nothing he [Saddam Hussein] has done has convinced me - I'm confident the Secretary of Defense - that he is the kind of fellow that is willing to forgo weapons of mass destruction, is willing to be a peaceful neighbor, that is - will honor the people - the Iraqi people of all stripes, will - values human life. He hasn't convinced me, nor has he convinced my administration."Crawford, Texas, Aug. 21, 2002

  For the complete Bushisms see http://slate.msn.com/id/76886/

  Edited by - Defender on 5 February 2003 15:29:50

  Edited by - Defender on 5 February 2003 15:38:9