the morning star sept 24, 2006 page a6 vernon bc canada newspaper.
the article reads and i quote in full: .
school bus driver given conditional discharge .
"My source made a phone call to the congregation to find out if he was still an elder. The answer was yes.
The individual in question also was a member of the Judicial Committee that DFd and recently reinstated my source."
Scully: Good work, sounds like you caught them red handed. What do you think will happen next?
the morning star sept 24, 2006 page a6 vernon bc canada newspaper.
the article reads and i quote in full: .
school bus driver given conditional discharge .
Candidlynuts: Good point. I was assuming that since he's still in good standing, he might have alot of connections or is very important in the congregation. Perhaps it is ironic that being an elder in good standing with the watchtower doesn't necessarily make you in good standing with God.
Peace,
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the morning star sept 24, 2006 page a6 vernon bc canada newspaper.
the article reads and i quote in full: .
school bus driver given conditional discharge .
You know the sick thing is that if he does get anymore legal action taken against him, the WTS will pay the entire bill defending him using donated money from the rank and file. Yet at the same time, they persecute and disfellowship victims of child abuse.
And yet there were obviously more than two witnesses to this guy exposing himself on the bus, so how does that make any sense? But wait, the WTS has probably already circumvented their own rules for cases such as this. Maybe for those who saw him do it, their opinion is worthless because they're worldy. "Only a JW can be trusted."
If that's the case, than the only way this pervert could be disfellowshiped is if he walked into the KH in the middle of a meeting and dropped trou! Disgusting!
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for those interested in "rutherford" research!.
http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journal/86spring/br-living.htm the journal of san diego historyspring 1986, volume 32, number 2contents of this issue book notes kensington-talmadge: 1910-1985 by thomas h. baumann, san diego: privately printed, 1984.illustrations.
maps.
Rutherford was NOT a judge. He was not a humble man, nor was he a sober and faithful man. But I guess if you tell a lie often enough, people will believe it.
I wonder if any of Rutherford's family is alive today, what would they think of him? I would be quite ashamed, for I pity him. I know other people feel stronger, and I agree. But I think wherever he is, he is being punished severly for his crimes.
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i recently went to a wedding and the father of the bride that (re)married a (worldly) man said to me, "the only thing that i can say about raising our kids as witnesses was at least they got a good foundation.
look at our kids.
they're good kids".
Ok, that's a fair question. I'm not too proud to say there are benefits. I suppose the biggest benefit I' ve been given from the watchtower is that I probably never would have realized the true nature of God. I used to go to church and was mildly interested. Now it's the only home I've ever known. I have a personal relationship with Jesus and at least I know I'm doing the right thing, and most of all, I know who the enemy is...
Just so there's no confusion, I've never been a witness, it's my mom who's the dub.
By the way, last week, after those at the KH heard we are having financal problems, my mom found a 100 dollar bill in her bible with a card from a very generous sister. My mom was so shocked that she couldn't remember who the woman was, even though she had left a name. Now, I will never condem or ridicule her generousioty, but it seems to me, if she were really being Christian, wouldn't she leave the gift anonymously? I don't know her, but didn't Jesus say not to give charity out of pride?
Did anything like this happen to anybody when they were still a witness? Or did they give a similar gift? Am I totally wrong, or does this seem to have a motive behind it? I welcome any answers, I would really like to know.
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i haven't been to meetings in a long time (trying to fade).
ever so often i do run into a witness or 2 who are friendly, but reserved (after all i am considered in active).
anyway, my hubby & i are currently working on a letter to send to the society that will more then likely get us df'd or disassociated (same thing i guess).
This is probably near the end of the thread, so I'll finish by saying good luck to Peach Rose, just take it one day at a time, and remember we are here for you.
Mike, I wish I could wave a magic wand and make you feel better. For your bravery and intelligence, you deserve the Medal of Honor. I confess to a desire to hurt them too, like they hurt me. I once spit in my mom's face after a particularly volitale arguement about religion. I felt good for one millisecond, then I felt dirty, because I knew I had stooped to her level, just like she wanted. And sure enough, without even the slightest bit of shock or hesitation, she launched into a tirade about how Jesus's people will be hated and persecuted. They want you to hit them, it will only further their delusions of grandeur.
You really want to hurt them? Laugh at them, tell them you don't even have the time to tell them how pathetic they are. Nothing makes them angrier than humor or indifference. Then you will walk away knowing that you did the right thing, and that God is pleased with you.
For years I have struggled to find a single thought, one single sentence that sums them up, and at last, I think I have it. You see, when they run their mouths, with all their inane babble trying to make you believe what their saying, remember this: they're not really trying to convince you, they're trying to convince themselves. I'll leave you with this quote:
"And he biled upon the whale's white hump, a sum of all the rage and hate, felt by his whole race. If his chest had been a cannon, he would have shot his heart upon it." -Moby Dick
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i get the feeling the society is gonna suffer a huge loss of number, with people who are in getting old, those 'raised' in the so called truth leaving and less and less interested ones because more people are aware.. .
it has its ups and downs but it seems the ups aren't as big as they used to, some never recovered from 1975 and others from the 1995 generation thingy.. your thoughts?.
Margie, welcome to the board, I'm glad to hear you visit. Start posting and let us know what you think!
Ok, everyone. I agree with many who say that change will come very slowly. However, there are a few catalysts that are pushing the process along. First, the writing department has been on auto-pilot for several years, and the governing body are dropping like flies. This spring, when Albert Schroder died, none of my mom's congregation even knew about it. I was the one who told her, because I saw it HERE. You would think that would be important news, right?
Second, the child molestation policy will be their death sentence. People, especially Americans, are getting more and more angry about this every day. I see at least once or twice a week on Dateline, or something like it on ABC (is it Stone Phillips or Anne Curry?) where they trap a child abuser by using a decoy in an online chatroom. And how many of those men confessed to being ministers of some kind? So is it really a stretch of the imagination that a JW is using a similar process? Perhaps even an elder...? Then the occasional stories like Mary Kay Letorno, there seems to be at least once a year. Finally, Oprah gives 100,000 dollars to each person who catches a predator on the list on her website.
So with all this exposure given to individual abusers, is it not logical to assume that it's only a matter of time before large organizations are investigated? To be fair, every organization has this problem to some degree, whether secular or not. The fault lies in how they deal with this problem. The watchtower blames the victims and sweeps the problem under the rug. Someday, someone will bring this to the attention of the public and mass media. Then they will devise a clever cover story, spend millions in an image overhaul, and pretend to have changed. But by then it will be too late, the world will already know, and in the court of public opinion, they will be guilty.
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i haven't been to meetings in a long time (trying to fade).
ever so often i do run into a witness or 2 who are friendly, but reserved (after all i am considered in active).
anyway, my hubby & i are currently working on a letter to send to the society that will more then likely get us df'd or disassociated (same thing i guess).
Mike:
Thank you for explaining this to me. You see, part of what angers me about the JWs is the cloak-and-dagger manipulative tactics they use to convert the unaware. Even if they're an honest witness, who really thinks they love the person, the're still doing it for selfish reasons because the more you convert, the higher your status goes.
I'll tell you a story. When I was about five years old, and my parents were still married, the JWs would visit regularly in the summer. We were involved in our own lives, and had our own problems to take care of. We knew absolutely nothing about the JWs. My dad made only one vague comment about why do they keep building their "kingdom halls" when everytime we drive by, it was completely deserted? I remember as a child wondering if having an empty church was their way of worshiping God. Considering what I know now, it's ironic, huh?
Anyway, we knew them as a "temporary fad religion", like the Motel Six that sits in the dirty part of town for a few years, then quietly goes out of business. They had a Stepford Wife quality about them, like polite but creepy. We thought they were cracked but harmless. So we took their magazine and waved them goodbye. A few weeks later one of us would pick up their literature out of curiosity, and I remember, even at 5 years old, thinking how arrogant it sounded. The way they talked down to the reader as if we were all brain dead morons. They pretended to ask questions while subtly giving you their answer, thereby manipulating the opinion of the uncautious reader.
I remember feeling a gut instinct that told me to stay away from these people, there's something unnatural about them. Sort of like Pennywise the Dancing Clown in Stephen King's IT. You just knew to run away from him as fast as you can. My mom even told me not to get involved with such strange people. Which drives me nuts because less than ten years later, she would join them, in contradiction to the very thing she warned me against!
Imagine your mom finishes explaining why you shouldn't stick your hand in the fireplace, then sticks her own hand in instead!
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i haven't been to meetings in a long time (trying to fade).
ever so often i do run into a witness or 2 who are friendly, but reserved (after all i am considered in active).
anyway, my hubby & i are currently working on a letter to send to the society that will more then likely get us df'd or disassociated (same thing i guess).
This is so pitiful. When did Christ ever behave like this? Deliberately scheduling time to harass people? So much for "shaking the sand off your feet and walking away..."
I can't make up my mind what's a more sorry excuse. Either they have such a superiority complex that they think they can decide when to come unannounced to your door, or it's because they all work at McDonalds and have nothing better to do! You know, this is not even about "religion," this is about violating the barriers of normal human conduct. I would tell them "I don't care who you are, just GET A LIFE ALREADY!"
Mike, your humor is as always, priceless. I do hope they flush afterward!
I have a question for Pink Rose, Mike, and everyone else. When you were a witness, and you were doing stuff like this, did you ever think "this is a total waste of time?" Or perhaps did you wonder if this is what Jesus would have done? It's one thing to do as your told, but did you ever feel wrong violating a person's personal space like this, because witnesses do this ALL THE TIME, in their visits and their conversations. That's half the reason I can't stand them. I'm sorry to be rude but it's something I've always wanted to know.
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i haven't been to meetings in a long time (trying to fade).
ever so often i do run into a witness or 2 who are friendly, but reserved (after all i am considered in active).
anyway, my hubby & i are currently working on a letter to send to the society that will more then likely get us df'd or disassociated (same thing i guess).
Peach Rose: WELCOME! From the bottom of my heart, I am so glad to see you. Congratulations on escaping the watchtower, I can guarantee you will have more friends here than you ever had plastic smiles at the kingdom hall.
There is no shame in either ignoring the CO, or confronting him to his face. I agree with most responses here, but I want you to make a decision for yourself, using your own brain. That's something you get to do alot outside the watchtower! Welcome to the real world!
Hats off to you,
Love
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