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  Any Ex-JW Bible Believing Christians

  by clash_city_rockers in

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  any former x-dubs out thier who have been saved by our lord jesus christ?.

  any bible believing christians out thier either reformed, fundemental or evangelical?.

  cheers in the lord.

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  Dawn

  Yep - believer here
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  Neutrality....

  by PriestessLizzie in

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  i've been reading this forum for a while now and finally decided to join.

  i left the "truth" about 7 years ago for reasons i am not ready to go into at this time- mainly because i dont have the time to explain them at the moment.

  though i do not believe entirely what the witnesses teach, i am surprised to see such anger and hatred towards them.

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  Dawn

  Hi Priestess:

  Welcome to the forum. There was a time when I would have agreed with you in that I had pretty much put the JW stuff behind me. I'm no longer affected by their doctrines but did feel sorry for people who were still in and felt trapped.

  However - this has changed recently and I will gladly announce that I am one who HATES the organization. My HATE is not because some of unrecognized love for the org but because of a deep love for my mom. My father was a faithful witness and elder for years. He passed away a few years back and that was hard on my mom - then shortly afterwards my brother was murdered which put her into a tail-spin depression. My husband and I live close to her so we jumped in and took care of her. We have helped to support her financially, but more importantly, emotionally. We took her out places, had her over, went to visit her a lot. Basically just kept her busy with us and the grandkids. I also drove her to meetings and encouraged her to do things with her JW friends. I didn't believe in the org any longer but it's what she wanted so we supported her in that. She had me and two other sons left. I have two brothers left - one lives over 2,000 miles away and although he'd love to help mom out he's too far away. The other brother lives here but because of his own issues he refuses to have contact with her. He has not seen her since our father's funeral over 3 years ago - and yes, he's an elder too.

  This was all fine because my mother had me, my husband, and the grandkids so she wasn't alone. Then a few months ago a "loving brother" had a talk with her and told her she had to cut off her association with me. So this left my mother completely alone - she lost her husband, lost her son, has one son too far away, another son who doesn't want her, and a daughter that loves her but she can't see. I have watched my mother go down hill so fast in the last few months it's very sad. She's depressed, lonely, and I really would not be suprised if she didn't make it one more year on this earth.

  All thanks to this loving organization of brothers and sisters who have required her to cut off the only family support she had here.

  So Yes - I DO HATE this organization. And it's for good reason. In my opinion it's a hurtful, controlling, monstrosity that should be put out of it's commission and the elder who spoke to my mother recently is the most useless piece of human flesh alive.

  However - I'm sure there are other issues on which we'll agree and I look forward to seeing more posts from you!
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  Face it - some people WANT to be a JW!

  by Dawn in

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  after many many conversations with my family i've come to the conclusion that some people just want to be a witness.

  they need that security of being told all the answers - of having their decisions made for them - and the tight social group they're involved in.. the truth is - it's much harder when you don't have all the answers and you have to think for yourself.

  i guess some people just aren't ready to face that.

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  Dawn

  After many many conversations with my family I've come to the conclusion that some people just WANT to be a witness. They need that security of being told all the answers - of having their decisions made for them - and the tight social group they're involved in.

  The truth is - it's much harder when you don't have all the answers and you have to think for yourself. I guess some people just aren't ready to face that.
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  WATCHTOWER - AND THE CREDIT - DEBIT CARDS !!!!!!!!

  by Aikon in

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  hi guys.. in britain this year for the district assembly, the w/t are making collection by credit and debit cards.. now, the question is are they doing this elsewhere??

  usa, canada, france, australia, ect, ect.. please feel free to enter the country of this imoral practise.. are they encouraging the jw to get in debt?????

  what a hipocracy... is this what jesus christ condemned??.

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  Dawn

  I don't see a problem with accepting debit cards since it's basically the same as withdrawing cash directly from your checking account - just an electronic check.

  I DO however have a problem with encouraging people to use their credit cards. The society should be encouraging people to live within their means and not to go into debt. I could see a talk about being a "faithful steward" with the money one is given, but to ask that person to charge what they don't have in order to give to an organization that is already worth millions - that's pretty much on the same level as tele-evangelists I'd say.
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  Old Testament God v New Testament God - an idea....

  by Dawn in

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  yea, i know this subject has been batted around time and time again.

  but i've always been bothered by the extreme difference in nature between yhwh of the old testament and "the father" of the new testament.. i was thinking about this last night and had an epiphany.

  what if it is two viewpoints of the same god.

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  Dawn

  Yea, I know this subject has been batted around time and time again. But I've always been bothered by the extreme difference in nature between YHWH of the old testament and "the father" of the new testament.

  I was thinking about this last night and had an epiphany. What if it is two viewpoints of the same God. Now bear with me for a minute while I put this in perspective.

  I have an 18 year old son who owns a sports car. He is constantly pulled over by the cops for every little thing, especially weekends after 11:00pm. It irritates the heck out of him. Fortunately, he's a good kid who obeys the law and doesn't drink or do drugs so they always let him go and he has never had a ticket. However, I have lost count of how many times he's come home and told me another story about getting pulled over. If you ask my son his opinion of cops he's going to tell you they are jerks, how they just want to prove they're in control, how they pick on kids, how they're just looking for someone to give a ticket to, and on and on and on.

  I have worked with prosecutors and cops for a number of years. If you ask me my opinion of cops and this situation I will tell you that they know drinking and driving is one of the biggest threats to teenagers. Yes they pull them over at every chance - but they never hope to find one drinking - they don't want them drinking and on the road. But their hope is that if one teenager IS drinking they can catch them and get them off the road before they kill themselves and someone else. I'll tell you of officers that have broke down and cried over highway fatalities that involved teenagers or small children. I'll tell you of some officers that have needed counseling after dealing with an extremely difficult child abuse case. And I'll tell you how these men and women have sacrificed because they really care about people.

  So my son and I would write an entirely different story about cops - we may even be speaking of the exact same individual but with two different viewpoints.

  I wonder how much of the what was written in the old testament about God's personality was really the nation's own warring and savage nature projecting it's ideals onto a diety. Perhaps that was also part of Jesus' mission - to tell the rest of the story.
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  Verbal Abuse in Jehovahs Witnesses

  by truthbeliever in

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  i dont know much about physical abuse in the jehovahs witnesses,but there is sure alot of verbal abuse.i was verbally abused for many years in the congregation by a high up elder,who didnt know anything about his own religion,and a ministerial servant i will call jerkwad abusive.

  (almost sounds like a jedi doesn't it?

  )this punk was a first class liar,jerk,and cared very little about the organization.here's how his cycle of abuse would work:he would do a mean thing,you would become offended,then he would say if you didnt work it out with him,he would go to the elders.you would then forgive him,and then next week,he would do it again.nice,huh?when i first joined the organization,they told me to never tell anybody in the world about any incidences like that,or i would bring reproach on jehovahs name.i wanted to tell somebody,especially the cops,but never did.has anybody else had any experiences like this?god bless.

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  Dawn

  His thinking scared me and I went home in a state of shock. He felt very dark to me and threatening

  Cyber-sister - that IS very dark and threatening. You were right to be on guard against him. There are people in the world that entertain such grim/dark fantasies. They put on a false front in public but inside they are spoiled and putrid.

  Here's a perfect example: The average profile of a child molester includes a man who holds a position of authority in his church. Pretty sad isn't it?!

  You are the one who had your head on straight - it was him that should be in counseling to treat his evil tendencies!
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  Death

  by desib77 in

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  i know, i know this is kind of a morbid subject but the subject actually came up between my husband and i the other night.

  we have two completely different backgrounds and we have discovered that we want diff.

  things to be done to us when we die.

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  Dawn

  After loosing a couple of close family members I realize that it's really the ones left behind that either need, or don't want, the burial. Some people need a place to go visit loved ones that have passed on (ie: cemetery) - my hubby is one of those. However, my mom was really bothered with burying my dad and wanted him cremated and then scattered at their favorite ocean spot - she said it was too painful to drive by the cemetery and think of him in the ground there. She would rather think of him as being free and where he loved it best.

  So - I told my family to dispose of me in the way that makes THEM feel best. If they want me cremated, so be it, and if they want me burried, that's ok to. Just don't spend much $$.

  AND...I want my memorial service in the church I now attend. That way only my friends will be there and no JW influence!
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  How far can you walk drunk?

  by catchthis in

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  http://www.wagenschenke.ch/

  (just move your mouse opposite of the guy falling) .

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  Dawn

  How far can you walk drunk?

  Depends on how far I parked my car from the front door (ha ha ha).

  Ok - just kidding. I am a very responsible drinker - if I go out with friends I always prepare a safe way home. However, I HAVE had to walk home before (my best friend lived only a few blocks away) which seems to be much longer route than going there. Of course, going there is a straight line and walking home might be kind of curvy, and...well... you know (tee hee)
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  jewelry mishap - too funny

  by Dawn in

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  i went to visit an old friend yesterday who was in town visiting.

  he's like a second dad to me.

  he was never a jw but his wife is a long time faithful witness.

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  Dawn

  Thanks for laughing with me all. I tried to share the humor in this with hubby, but being that he's never been a JW and after I had to explain the whole cross thing it kind of lost the punch line. Only an x-jw can appreciate these funny little episodes!
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  jewelry mishap - too funny

  by Dawn in

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  i went to visit an old friend yesterday who was in town visiting.

  he's like a second dad to me.

  he was never a jw but his wife is a long time faithful witness.

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  Dawn

  I went to visit an old friend yesterday who was in town visiting. He's like a second dad to me. He was never a JW but his wife is a long time faithful witness. I haven't spoken to her in years (since I was DF'd), but she was in town with him and wanted to see the kids so she and he invited me over. Normally he is in town by himself and we always get together. If it had been just her I'd say "get lost" - but he's such a kind and sweet man so I went over.

  She was very friendly when I first got there, gave me a hug and said hi, then looked at my face kind of funny and was instantly cold - for the rest of the visit. I thought it odd - until I came home and went into the bathroom....

  I had worn my cross earings that day ....TO FUNNY!

  I'm sure that along with the comment I made to him about my daughter's bible school activities really set her off!