ok lets hear your pathetic excuses.
c'mon now don't be shy.
let's hear what you have to say.
PROVEN connections to Al Queda? No, not proven to the anti-war crowd, just intelligence reports that indicate it.
There IS a proven connection to Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc, etc etc in Israel.
The war is against TERRORISM not just terrorism directed against the US
here in columbia a pedophile was recently released from prison on parole.
part of his parole condition was that he could not possess child porn of which he had tons when he was originally arrested.
on one visit by the po the outer cover of a kiddie porn mag was found.
Here in Columbia a pedophile was recently released from prison on parole. Part of his parole condition was that he could not possess child porn of which he had tons when he was originally arrested.
On one visit by the PO the outer cover of a kiddie porn mag was found. The cover wasn't explicit, but it was known for what it was. No other porn was found, just the cover. The guy was rearrested and sent back to prison for parole violation. Justified or not? The defense said no as the cover didn't actually constitute pornography. The Prosecutor and PO say yes, possession of even the cover showed that he was violating his parole. What say you (I'm with the PO and prosecutor on this one.)
Yeru writing as Sean.
Edited by - daveyJones on 17 January 2003 9:24:5
you've got to love the watchtower.
they must think that the general population has no bible available to it.
while scrolling through a list of their beliefs on the official site, there was one that really caught my eye because of its sheer ludicrousness.
Heathen,
The problem with your "stake" theory is that the Romans executed Jesus, not the Jews. He was executed in the Roman fashion. Why would they break from their norm? Also, the Romans were actually quite good at driving the nails in a particular spot in the writst where the medial nerve runs in which bones might be displaced, but not broken. The harder part is the feet, the nails were generally driventhrough the heel sideways (OUCH!) There were other methods, but this method might end up breaking bones.
what do you think should happen to the two american pilots who fired on and killed the 4 canadians over in afganistan last year in the friendly fire incident?
this is a hard one.
as a canadian, i fully support the usa and obviously this disaster was not intentional and i'm sure the pilots must feel awful about it.
Dakota,
The "speed" was legal, the biggest factor here was a break down in the pre-flight mission brief. I've been to these before in Kosovo and Jordan. If there were friendlies in the area doing a live fire exercise the pilots should have been told, and there should have been a NOTAM issued (Notice To Airmen). That is standard procedure, so is returning fire when you think you're being fired at. Even after the "hold fire" order, under the Rules of Engagement as I understand them if they thought they were being fired on again after the Hold Fire was issued, they were weapons free.
Are there other things these guys could have done? I'm almost sure of it. The culpability though, is with the breifers, and someone needs to explain why no NOTAM was issued.
Yeru writing as Sean
ok lets hear your pathetic excuses.
c'mon now don't be shy.
let's hear what you have to say.
Petty,
We shall, then, continue to agree to disagree.
My issue with "letting the inspectors do their job" is that they can't. It's not the inspectors' job to seek out weapons of mass destruction. Here's how it was set up by the UN. Iraq was to declare ALL WEAPONS of mass destruction. HEAVY EMPHASIS on ALL. The Inspectors were then to verify that these WMD had been destroyed, or confiscate and destroy any WMD still in existence. The inspectors KNOW that there are some 600 thousand tons of chemical and biological agents not accounted for. How do they know this? They know it from records seized pre 1998 as compared to the Iraq declaration of recent weeks.
Iraq has not accounted for where these chem/bio agents are. No records exist that they were destroyed, nor is a location of their destruction given, nor is a location where these agents can be found given. It's not the UN's job to go find this stuff, Saddam was supposed to tell them where it's at. He hasn't, this is a breach of the agreement.
Further, the Warheads found, though made before 1988 were well maintained. They were found in a bunker not built until 1995, so, these weren't just left lying around and forgotten about.
I was mistaken in my earlier claim that they were found on the farm of a scientist, I confused two news stories.
However, the final analysis from my point of view is this. Inspections haven't worked for 12 years. The Iraqis have a LOT of outstanding weapons and agents unaccounted for. Per the latest UN resolution Iraq is suppossed to tell the inspectors where all their WMD are at. They have failed to do so, therefore, the inspections program has already failed. Saddam had 8 years to watch how the inspectors did their job and figure out loop holes. He had four years in which to build underground bunkers to hide these WMD and the newer ones he's developed. Due to the slow pace of the UN he had MONTHS in which to make sure everything was hidden. The UN has sent just over 100 inspectors to search a country the size of California for WMD. It's an impossible task unless Iraq cooperates by telling the inspectors where the weapons are, or showing that they were destroyed.
Saddam was shown to be a liar from day one of the Inspections that began right after the Gulf War. It's obvious he can't be trusted. The UN has proven in the 50 some years of it's existence to be ineffectual and generally speaking, anti-American. Yep, sounds like a recipe for peace to me.
Yeru writing as my step son (sorry Simon, this darned 20 post limit is killing me this week, I gab too much.)
OK Simon, turning this account back over to Sean. thanks for not ZAPPING me.
At least I'm being up front about it.
Most weeks the 20 post a day limit is harmless, BUT,I've had a lot to say. This account is quite legitimately my step-son's though. I've talked about him here, Sean. Nice kid. He struggles. Becoming a Catholic now, pissed of his dad.
one quick look at the trouble we face with north korea actually strengthens the case for military action in iraq.
here are the problems with face with n. korea.
they are even more notorious than iraq about breaking deals.
Roski,
My take on the Vietnam war, it was fought the wrong way for the wrong reasons. Had the generals fought the war rather than the politicians Vietnam would now be every bit as productive as South Korea is.
ok lets hear your pathetic excuses.
c'mon now don't be shy.
let's hear what you have to say.
I prefer the term "HAWK", mongerer somehow implies I profit from war. I don't. The use of "Peacenik" was perhaps perjorative, but it applies to many here who would find ZERO justification for war.
As one of those servicemen, I thank you for the concern; and the overwhelming vast majority of us soldiers DO see this as a good cause, a noble cause. We see Saddam for the evil he is.
Sister, if you can't see Saddam as a direct threat to your way of life, you're being delusional.
Does it make me a "peace-nick" because I my tax dollars spent to defend my way of life against a clear threat, not someone's ego-driven agenda?
I'm assumming you think it's Bush that has the "ego-driven agenda. First question, how do you know. Do you have access to the same intelligence reports he does? I used to get fed just a bit of the intel that Bush recieves, No, he's concerned about the welfare of the world. Saddam, on the ohter hand, does indeed have an ego-driven agenda.
Your opposition to the war in the face of the facts of Saddam's violations WITHOUT OFFERING VIABLE ALTERNATIVES to war
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It just was revealed that these weapons were found on the FARM OF A SCIENTIST WORKING WITH SADDAM's WEAPONS PROGRAM. Seems not too long ago the US government said they suspected that weapons were hidden at private houses. Yep, this was just an innocent oversight by Iraq and not an attempt to conceal banned weapons that it didn't declare.
undermines your argument, and[DOES NOT] lessonYerusalyimsmy respect for you.
Edited by - daveyJones on 16 January 2003 22:18:20
Simon,
This is Yerusalyim, I'm gonna use my step son Sean's account to answer a few threads, I won't do it again, I PROMISE>
Edited by - daveyJones on 16 January 2003 22:22:12
