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  3 English and 3 Spanish Letters Arrived! (as of 2020-07-06)

  by Atlantis in

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  3 english and 3 spanish letters arrived as of (2020-07-06).

  textos bíblicos y referencias para visitas de ánimo.

  scriptures and references for encouraging calls.

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  dozy

  Hi Petra can you add me to your mailing list please.... Thanks .... :-)
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  How Could We Have Been So Heartless?

  by BluesBrother in

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  i am addressing here those who, like me, spent decades in the organisation that we called “the truth”.

  perhaps like me you were brought up in it from an early age.

  looking back now i wonder that i could have been so heartless as to believe that the mass slaughter of billions of people was “good news”.

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  dozy

  This was one teaching I never really could rationalise - luckily I hardly ever remember any householder mentioning it when I was on the ministry as I would have really struggled to justify it.

  The teaching that all non-JWs will be annihilated at Armageddon together with not very active JWs who don't quite make the cut ( the so-called "Kevinly class") is still the Societies teaching , but there is no doubt that the rhetoric from the past is very much toned down.

  No longer do we see pictures of babies being thrown into chasms in the earth or husbands and wives desperately hugging each other awaiting their imminent violent deaths as Jesus and the angels go around killing people. The "wicked" being destroyed , if depicted at all , tend to be obvious baddies with knives or guns and beards and jeans!

  Note the official JW dot org response , which is rather disingenuous to say the least.

  https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/who-saved/
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  How far is this idiocy going to go?

  by BoogerMan in

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  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53201667.

  the simpsons team - because of criticism over white actor hank azaria's voiceover of indian-american character apu - is terminating the caricature.

  people claimed that it "reinforced racial stereotypes.".

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  dozy

  Are they deleting the actual character? Or is the actor who voices them no longer going to do the voice ( presumably to be replaced by someone of the same ethnicity )?

  Either way - it is getting really silly now. I have a friend who is a policeman in London and him & his colleagues are really afraid now of arresting anyone who is black. They were called out this week to a group of black youths "tagging" a train ( ie vandalising it ) but just decided not to bother and left them alone to get on with it. It is becoming a nightmare.
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  Rolf Furuli New Book

  by dozy in

  1. jw
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  for those who haven't come across furuli before , he is a 77 year old norwegian professor and is ( or was ) one of the few "scholarly" jws used by the society and used as a source on various matters ( especially 607 bce ).. however recently he has fallen out with the gb and has published an interesting book - like many recent scholarly apologists , he seems to be going down the road of disagreeing with the authority of the gb but still holding that the jws is the one true religion.

  kind of "lions led by donkeys".

  whether this view will continue is anyones guess.

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  dozy

  For those who haven't come across Furuli before , he is a 77 year old Norwegian professor and is ( or was ) one of the few "scholarly" JWs used by the Society and used as a source on various matters ( especially 607 BCE ).

  However recently he has fallen out with the GB and has published an interesting book - like many recent scholarly apologists , he seems to be going down the road of disagreeing with the authority of the GB but still holding that the JWs is the one true religion. Kind of "lions led by donkeys". Whether this view will continue is anyones guess.

  Anyway - an interesting read during these days of lockdown....

  Free ( so far ) download here - 9 languages available

  https://b-ok.cc/book/5537241/851582
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  A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist

  by Giles Gray in

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  i would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.

  i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.

  i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.

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  This is the David Splane JW broadcasting "explanation" of the "New Light" on the overlapping generation. Charts and all ( I was kind of waiting for the Powerpoint presentation. )

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol6pGBp_PUk

  But to be honest - why bother trying to convince an active JW? It's a pointless exercise. I remember trying to discuss this a few years ago with an uncle who is a JW elder & he still believed the generation were the wicked ones - he hadn't realised it had evolved several times since then. He still wasn't bothered. You either believe in this crap or you don't.
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  4 Letters Arrived--English and Spanish! (as of 2020-06-19)

  by Atlantis in

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  1.--2020-06-18-- english--instructions for our online meetings.. distractions.

  noisepreparations.

  personal appearance .

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  dozy

  PM please xxxxx
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  Meet George Floyd

  by cofty in

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  his murder was a crime and justice must be done, but it's sobering to learn more about the man who is being lionised by millions.

  thanks as always to the courageous candace owens.. ....

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  Thanks for posting the original video. I have never previously heard of the woman , but she has cojones ( figuratively speaking!). Good for her to speak out.
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  Is it me or is John Cedars channel becoming a self important circle fest

  by phoenixrising in

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  i still like the commentary on the jw.org monthly’s, i can skip through some parts.

  but it seems like he is pushing too hard to put out videos and the quality is getting very low on the content..

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  dozy

  John Cedars certainly divides people. I used to be a fan , but recently I have kind of lost interest , unless there is a big breaking news in JW world ( such as the GB member buying crates of whisky.

  As others have said , I wish now that he would shorten his videos - surely he could do an analysis of the monthly JW broadcasting videos in 30 or 40 minutes , bearing in mind that much of the broadcast it is just repetitive filler , especially the Gilead Graduation talks. I couldn't really be bothered listening for 2 and a half hours.

  Otherwise if you wish to support him via Patreon https://www.patreon.com/cedars or Indiegogo https://www.indiegogo.com/individuals/14998811/campaigns or buying his T-Shirts etc then up to you , I suppose.
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  The National Anthem

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recent controversies in america brought this to mind , although i don’t want this to become a political thread , rather to discuss the wts rules that stop a jw showing respect for the national anthem.. the watchtower says that doing so is an act of idolatry, giving worship to the state or its icon.

  as such witnesses remain seated when the anthem is played.

  in britain people simply stand quietly to show respect, there is no hand gesture.. when i was a boy, every cinema show and theatre concluded with the anthem,being played .usually it was orchestrally with no words sung.

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  dozy

  I remember at school ( in UK ) once the national anthem was played at some event we were watching and I stayed in my seat when everyone else was standing & singing - I was maybe about 10 years old. A teacher was sitting behind me and literally pulled me to my feet - I'm guessing she didn't get the memo - she wasn't one of my teachers - so I stayed standing and pretended to sing & never told my parents about it as they would have gone crazy and made a big fuss! Thankfully generally in the UK it is rarely played nowadays in that kind of setting.
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  Has anyone ever turn down being appointed an Elder or MS?

  by Davros in

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  has anyone turned it down or know of someone who did turn down being an elder or ms?.

  yes, it should be one of the biggest privileges a brother can get !!

  (how do i put the barfy icon in?

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  dozy

  There was a MS in our congregation that several times we ( I was an elder back then and all the elders wanted to appoint him ) tried to persuade to become an elder but he wasn't interested. His father was an elder in another congregation and he had seen just how tough and soul destroying and busy a job it was and he freely admitted that he didn't want any of that.

  In addition , there were quite a few JWs that did just enough not be be appointed. It was almost if consciously or sub consciously it just wasn't for them.