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What book are you reading right now?

by Wordly Andre in

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i am reading buried alive: the terrifying history of our most primal fear, it's really cool

Job 6:6

by bite me in

i hope everyone had a wonderful christmas and will have a wonderful new year!

i haven't visited this board for a few days... maybe a week or so.

holidays keeping me busy.

uninformed

Job 6:6
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Job 6:6
Can that which hath no savour be eaten without salt? or is there any taste in the white of an egg?

Can that which is unsavoury -
Which is insipid, or without taste.
Be eaten without salt -
It is necessary to add salt in order to make it either palatable or wholesome. The literal truth of this no one can doubt, Insipid food cannot be relished, nor would it long sustain life. "The Orientals eat their bread often with mere salt, without any other addition except some dry and pounded summer-savory, which last is the common method at Aleppo." Russell’s Natural History of Aleppo, p. 27. It should be remembered, also, that the bread of the Orientals is commonly mere unleavened cakes; see Rosenmuller, Alte u. neue Morgenland, on Gen_18:6 . The idea of Job in this adage or proverb is, that there was a fitness and propriety in things. Certain things went together, and were necessary companions. One cannot be expected without the other; one is incomplete without the other. Insipid food requires salt in order to make it palatable and nutritious, and so it is proper that suffering and lamentation should be united.
There was a reason for his complaints, as there was for adding salt to unsavory food. Much perplexity, however, has been felt in regard to this whole passage;
Job_6:6-7 . Some have supposed that Job means to rebuke Eliphaz severely for his harangue on the necessity of patience, which he characterizes as insipid, impertinent, and disgusting to him; as being in fact as unpleasant to his soul as the white of an egg was to the taste. Dr. Good explains it as meaning, "Doth that which has nothing of seasoning, nothing of a pungent or irritating power within it, produce pungency or irritation? I too should be quiet and complain not, if I had nothing provocative or acrimonious; but alas! the food I am doomed to partake of is the very calamity which is most acute to my soul, that which I most loathe, and which is most grievous or trying to my palate." But the real sense of this first part of the verse is, I think, that which is expressed above - that insipid food requires proper condiment, and that in his sufferings there was a real ground for lamentation and complaint - as there was for making use of salt in that which is unsavory. I see no reason to think that he meant in this to reproach Eliphaz for an insipid and unmeaning address.
Or is there any taste in the white of an egg? -
Critics and commentators have been greatly divided about the meaning of this. The Septuagint renders it, e?? de´ ?a?´ e?st?´ ?e??µa e?? ???´µas? ?e?????eidekaiestigeumaenre¯masikenois ; is there any taste in vain words? Jerome (Vulgate), "can anyone taste that which being tasted produces death?" The Targums render it substantially as it is in our version. The Hebrew word rendered "white" ( ???ri^yr ) means properly spittle; 1Sa_21:13 . If applied to an egg, it means the white of it, as resembling spittle. The word rendered "egg" ( ??????challa^mu^th ) occurs nowhere else in the Scriptures. If it be regarded as derived from ???cha^lam , to sleep, or dream, it may denote somnolency or dreams, and then fatuity, folly, or a foolish speech, as resembling dreams; and many have supposed that Job meant to characterize the speech of Eliphaz as of this description.
The word may mean, as it does in Syriac, a species of herb, the "purslain" (Gesenius), proverbial for its insipidity among the Arabs, Greeks, and Romans, but which was used as a salad; and the whole phrase here may denote purslain-broth, and hence, an insipid discourse. This is the interpretation of Gesenius. But the more common and more probable explanation is that of our common version, denoting the white of an egg. But what is the point of the remark as Job uses it? That it is a proverbial expression, is apparent; but in what way Job meant to apply it, is not so clear. The Jews say that he meant to apply it to the speech of Eliphaz as being insipid and dull, without anything to penetrate the heart or to enliven the fancy; a speech as disagreeable to the mind as the white of an egg was insipid to the taste. Rosenmuller supposes that he refers to his afflictions as being as unpleasant to bear as the white of an egg was to the taste. It seems to me that the sense of all the proverbs used here is about the same, and that they mean, "there is a reason for everything which occurs. The ass brays and the ox lows only when destitute of food. That which is insipid is unpleasant, and the white of an egg is loathsome. So with my afflictions. They produce loathing and disgust, My very food
Job_6:7 is disagreeable, and everything seems tasteless as the most insipid food would. Hence the language which I have used - language spoken not without reason, and expressive of this state of the soul."

Little thought from a different translation

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Are the Society planning a 'Pledge of Allegiance'? IT MAY BE TRUE!

by nicolaou in

i've just learned from a trusted contact at thewatchtower.org 'norris', that the society intend to put a resolution to the congregations shortly - though definately not at the 'special talk' meeting next month.. here's the scary bit.

this resolution needs to be responded to by all baptized jehovah's witnesses.

we have not been able to get hold of the wording but have been informed it is intended to provide the brotherhood with the opportunity to affirm their loyalty to jehovah and his organization.

uninformed

The Resolution

WE JEHOVAH'S witnesses, met together in [City, State, Country], in one of the "Everlasting Good News" assemblies being held in a continuous chain around the whole world this year of 1963, do this day declare and resolve as follows:

2 THAT the one living and true God, the Creator of heaven and earth, whose name is Jehovah, is the only God whom we fear and glorify. Him alone will we worship; for him only will we be witnesses in the universal contest now in progress over the question, Who is the Everlasting, All-wise, All-powerful God? and him alone will we urge all peoples everywhere, of whatever race, nationality, tribe, color and language, to worship as the true God without equal;

3 THAT the Holy Bible, written under inspiration originally in Hebrew, Aramaic and ancient Greek, is his written Word. It is the channel of the one revealed religion that is the absolute truth and that is the unerring guide to pure worship acceptable to God;

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5 THAT, in order to prevent the destruction of the nations by their own means in war, the nations further refused the surrender of their sovereignty to God's Messianic kingdom by setting up a society of nations, which, since 1945, has taken the form and the name of the United Nations, with international headquarters at New York city. This international organization stands for world sovereignty by political men. For years men without faith in God's kingdom have endeavored to get all people to worship this international image of human political sovereignty as the best hope for earthly peace and security, in fact, the last hope for humanity. To date 111 nations have given worship to this political image by becoming members of it. However, we, as witnesses of the Sovereign God Jehovah, will continue refusing to engage in such idolatrous worship, for we see, under angelic enlightenment, that God has smitten such idolaters with a malignant ulcer, symbolically speaking, that will spell death to them as spiritually diseased image worshipers who worship a man-made political creation rather than the Creator of heaven and earth;

I always makes me happy to see this resolution again. Nice to know that we aren't crazy.

UNinformed

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Are the Society planning a 'Pledge of Allegiance'? IT MAY BE TRUE!

by nicolaou in

i've just learned from a trusted contact at thewatchtower.org 'norris', that the society intend to put a resolution to the congregations shortly - though definately not at the 'special talk' meeting next month.. here's the scary bit.

this resolution needs to be responded to by all baptized jehovah's witnesses.

we have not been able to get hold of the wording but have been informed it is intended to provide the brotherhood with the opportunity to affirm their loyalty to jehovah and his organization.

uninformed

I just ran into this thread a few minutes ago.

I have information that supports such a declaration.

At our last DC in June 2005, the closing prayer on Sunday was given by GB Losch. In the closing prayer he said the following-------------------------------

(exact)-------------"we pray that all here will PLEDGE THEIR ALLEGIANCE to Jehovah's visible organization".

I was there with about 10 members of my family. None of us said AMEN. We discussed this statement immediatley and thoroughly, so I am not mistaken of the wording.

I think it is highly possible that the Society WILL require such a resolution at some point in time.

Also of interest, my daughter, Loruhamah, was approached by elders as they were fading about 2 years ago one of the elders tried to make them attend a meeting with elders "to reaffirm their confidence" in Jehovah's Organization. My daughter and her husband were not going to attend this Kangaroo Court, but one of the elders (the brother in law to my daughters husband) told the elders to back off.

I hope they do this soon, as I think it will cause a ruckus.

Brant

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un and the society

by BIG D in

where is the info,on the card they had, or official reply of the society?.

big d.

uninformed

Ninja,

I don't think it is anymore.

If you would like a copy of all my correspondence with the WT re: the UN I will send it email to you. I have them in a pdf.

I am not really computer literate, I don't know how to post pictures and the like even on this board.

My email is [email protected]

Brant

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un and the society

by BIG D in

where is the info,on the card they had, or official reply of the society?.

big d.

uninformed

REGARDING THE UN

I have a letter from the "Christian Congregation of JW's" to me personally, but I don't know how to post it. I have it in a pdf file.

If anyone would like to help me figure out how to post it, I will.

It gives their viewpoint.

Brant

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George Couch Dies - Brooklyn Bethel

by SadElder in

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george couch, a longtime fixture as the big wig of home overseers at brooklyn bethel, died friday.

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we never interacted much with them, he was a strange duck from our brief visits with them over the years..

uninformed

Give of yourself to the organization, and you are guaranteed to have a full, happy life. Whatever you are doing—whether it is pioneering, circuit work, serving with a congregation as a publisher, Bethel service, or missionary work—follow the direction outlined, and value your assignment. Try your best to enjoy every assignment and each day of work in Jehovah’s service. You will get tired, and you may get overworked or feel down at times. That is when you have to remember the purpose of dedicating your life to Jehovah. It is to do his will, not your own.
There has not been a day that I have come to work and not enjoyed what I did. Why? Because when we give of ourselves whole-souled to Jehovah, we have the satisfaction of knowing that ‘we have done what we ought to have done.’

That's the problem, they don't know the difference.

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To the making of many books there is no end...

by darth frosty in

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i was just thinking about this scripture in ecclesiastes 12:12 "to the making of many books there is no end , and much devotion to them is wearisome to the flesh.".

the borg loves to use this scripture when people talk about higher education or taking in knowledge to better themselves.

but, here is the conundrum, what is it that ever dub looks forward to at the annual district conventions?

uninformed

The funny thing is about all the Society's books is that after a few years, they become apostate teachings.

Much devotion to them is wearisome and worrysome.

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Climate Change. Yes the science is settled.

by mavie in

the science is settled.

special interests do not want you to think that it is.

"in a candid memo about political strategy for republican leaders, pollster frank luntz expressed concern that voters might punish candidates who supported more pollution, but he offered advice on the key tactic for defusing the issue: "should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly.

uninformed

coffee

I'll have a cup of what you're drinking!

Great find--both posts.

You sure about the Ozone?

Brant

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Are witnesses only interested in the prize?

by Abandoned in

we all know the kingdom melody, keep your eyes on the prize.

do you think the witnesses place too much emphasis on the prize?

why go out in field service?

uninformed

Why go out in field service? Why go to meetings? Why get baptized? Isn't everything to get the gift of everlasting life?
From my personal observations, some do it for SHOW. They like to impress the rest of the congregation. They like looking better than others...."Look! I put in 30 hours this month....Look! I've got 4 Bible Studies...Look! I've got a whole notebook full of return visits!....Look! I'm on time for all the meetings, perfectly coifed and dressed, with children glowing like angels in their shined shoes and polished faces!...Look! My husband is an elder.....or....Look! my wife is the perfect Jdub example....Look! We hobnob with the C.O. and the D.O. and all the rest of the "elite".
When the rest of the peons elevate you to "Best JDub of the Year" status, THAT'S your reward. When you get invited to all the best social functions, THAT'S your reward. When you're in with the "in crowd", THAT'S your reward.

another great post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

brant