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  ANOTHER 200 Scientists Document Global Climate Change - Yo Deniers!

  by Seeker4 in

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  http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/07/science/earth/07climate.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin.

  another international slate of scientists have released their findings regarding global climate change and human's effect on that (see the above link).. after the last major study released by several hundred scientists a few months ago, it does seem there is a serious concensus here among the leading thinkers and scientists on this issue.

  i know i've banged heads with a few who disagree with this, but it does seem as though that handful of folks who disagree with the science are looking more and more like deniers, as in holocaust deniers, moon landing deniers, etc.. in other words, out there on the lunatic fringe.. so, do you folks think it might be time to reconsider?.

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  either there is proof of global warming, or there is not.

  the issue will not be settled by majority vote.

  brant
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  ANOTHER 200 Scientists Document Global Climate Change - Yo Deniers!

  by Seeker4 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/07/science/earth/07climate.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin.

  another international slate of scientists have released their findings regarding global climate change and human's effect on that (see the above link).. after the last major study released by several hundred scientists a few months ago, it does seem there is a serious concensus here among the leading thinkers and scientists on this issue.

  i know i've banged heads with a few who disagree with this, but it does seem as though that handful of folks who disagree with the science are looking more and more like deniers, as in holocaust deniers, moon landing deniers, etc.. in other words, out there on the lunatic fringe.. so, do you folks think it might be time to reconsider?.

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  seeker,

  I recently read a novel, "State of Fear", by Michael Crichton.

  It is written for our current times, but he uses a lot of scientific data from all over the world in the writing of the novel.

  Have you happened to read it?

  It has a lot of 'proofs' that really diminish the argument for global warming.

  I would appreciate your opinion.

  Brant
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  Memorial 2007

  by Ténébreux in

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  well i just got back from the memorial, after being dragged along somewhat reluctantly.

  during the talk, one statement in particular caught my attention which i hadn't heard previously.

  the speaker was explaining why probably no-one there should be partaking of the matzo and wine, because on the night of the passover jesus began selecting his 144000 heavenly co-rulers starting with the 11 apostles who were present - and that from then on, most of jesus' other followers just observed and did not partake, recognizing that they were of the earthly class.

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  It's probably only in JW circles that there's any debate. I have no idea what other religions say on the matter. But I'll quote for you the JW reasoning on this.
  
  Insight on the Scriptures Vol.2, Pg. 130;
  
  'Immediately Judas left the group. A comparison of Matthew 26:20-29 with John 13:21-30 indicates that he departed before Jesus instituted the celebration of the Lord's Evening Meal. Luke's presentation of this incident evidentally is not in strict chronological order, for Judas had definitely left by the time Christ commended the group for having stuck with him; that would not fit Judas, nor would he have been taken "into the covenant... for a kingdom." Luke 22:19-30'
  
  Cellist

  Cellist, thanks for the great quote above. Of course this is more Bible bending by the faithless and indiscreet slave.

  The WT reasoning is wrong here. Judas was apparantly present according to LUKE, but later left BEFORE THE SECOND COVENANT was made, the COVENANT FOR A KINGDOM.

  A casual or serious reading of the account will easily clear this up. 'Course, what did Luke know, he was only there.

  Brant
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  Is It Impossible To Reach A Devout JW ???

  by minimus in

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  i wonder.

  a very typcal witness may see the obvious negatives that jws know they have.

  they might acknowledge that there's often a lack of love, that the elders can be demanding, that "new light" can change long cherished beliefs in an instant.......but still they cling on and resist any sort of intellectual discussion as to why the witnesses are off soooooo many times.....what gives??

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  willyloman,

  I think that you wrote a profound comment above:

  I've come to believe that JWs are all about relationships, just like any other group of people. You can argue that it's a cult, that they practice mind-control, and so on, but every organized group of people does share beliefs, thinking, behaviior and social concepts. People form relationships by opening up and sharing the space that normally exists between them (what one usually calls "my space") and that forms a bond, almost a third person - a combination of the two people in the relationship (what we call "us").

  To leave the dubs, you have to withdraw from that common space. That leaves two personalities where there used to be three. There's you and him, or her, but there's no longer any "us."

  Ths is what makes the process so hard, and so painful. Throw in the whole "God's chosen ones" thing and the attendant guilt trip, and you've got a difficult wall to climb. That's why dubs who know better, stay in.
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  Circuit Assembly topic: "Treasures in Heaven"

  by garybuss in

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  jehovah's witnesses have spanish assembly .

  a spanish-speaking assembly for jehovah's witnesses will take place today and saturday.

  the assembly begins each day at 9:40 a.m. at post auditorium, 400 w. 5th st. the topic will be "treasures in heaven.

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  Garybuss-

  What's going on? Reward on earth? Treasurers in heaven? Ministerial servants more spiritual than anointed? Anointed with no special insights?
  
  I can't wait for what's coming. This is gonna be fun!
  

  You really nailed what I have been thinking with your quote above. Just think, with one sentence they have successfully attacked and destroyed their OWN faithful and discreet slave doctrine.

  They teach that the faithful and discreet slave is all of the anointed on earth at any one time, and yet they make the disclaimer that they have no special insight or special spirituality.

  I wonder if the r and f will put this together?

  Brant
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  May 1st Watchtower- A Call for Younger Anointed?

  by timetochange in

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  is the may 1st watchtower a call for the younger anointed to put their lamps in order?

  a call not from the gb but from the christ?.

  ed.

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  No,

  it was a justification for all the young GB members.

  It was also a profound rejection of their own "faithful and discreet slave" teaching, in that they said there was nothing at all special about partakers. By their definition they have rejected their own slave.

  Does anybody in the org think at all?

  Brant
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  How many here have actually read the bible............all of it?????

  by vitty in

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  i was in the org for 20 years and never actually read the bible from beginning to end.

  then i bought a living bible and found even the most difficult parts easy to read.

  but i still couldnt find time.

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  Twice in 45 years cover to cover. Not very much really.

  I called on other religious people that read the Bible cover to cover every year, and I felt like they were the ones who didn't respect Jehovah's Word. How arrogant I was.

  I read the NWT, but also the Byington Translation a lot and the New English Bible considerably more.

  I intend to get a Jerusalem Bible, Leolaia, and give it a try.

  Brant
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  JWs: "YOU must pray, then, this way: 'Our Father...'"

  by AuldSoul in

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  matthew 6:9 "you must pray, then, this way: our father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.

  '" (nwt).

  we know the bible shows jesus praying to his father, but who is our father?.

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  As a JW I didn't try to answer it because it raised even more questions, like 'is Michael the archangel also our eternal father and mighty God'?

  Once you eliminate the constant repitition of JW doctrine it stops making sense very quickly.

  W

  Great point, finally free.

  Brant
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  "This Generation Will Not Pass Away"

  by TooBad TooSad in

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  the well written post yesterday by onthewayout got me thinking about the doctrine on "this generation".

  wts doctrine was in their top 7 doctrines right behind: 1) only 144,000 go to heaven, 2) the earth will be turned into a paradise,.

  3) god is not a trinity, 4) not to take blood, 5) hell is not hot, 6) be no part of the world, 7) this generation will not pass away until of.

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  Therefore, in the final fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy today, "this generation" apparently refers to the peoples of earth who see the sign of Christ’s presence but fail to mend their ways. In contrast, we as Jesus’ disciples refuse to be molded by the life-style of "this generation."

  More whisker words to rule by.

  Brant
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  Why is the "Faithful and Discreet " parable literal when others are not?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
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  in the 10/1 1998 watchtower study article titled,''jehovah,a god merciful and gracious'' there is a footnote that reads:.

  parables and other illustrations related in the bible did not necessarily take place in actuality.futhermore,since the purpose of these stories is to teach a moral lesson,there is no need to seek a symbolic meaning in every detail.. matthew 24:45-47, in the new world translation, reads "who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

  happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.

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  (Revelation 7:9-10) 9 After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: "Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb."

  (Revelation 19:1-8) 19

  After these things I heard what was as a loud voice of a great crowd in heaven. They said: "Praise Jah, YOU people! The salvation and the glory and the power belong to our God, 2 because his judgments are true and righteous. For he has executed judgment upon the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication, and he has avenged the blood of his slaves at her hand." 3 And right away for the second time they said: "Praise Jah, YOU people! And the smoke from her goes on ascending forever and ever." 4 And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God seated upon the throne, and said: "Amen! Praise Jah, YOU people!" 5 Also, a voice issued forth from the throne and said: "Be praising our God, all YOU his slaves, who fear him, the small ones and the great." 6And I heard what was as a voice of a great crowd and as a sound of many waters and as a sound of heavy thunders. They said: "Praise Jah, YOU people, because Jehovah our God, the Almighty, has begun to rule as king. 7 Let us rejoice and be overjoyed, and let us give him the glory, because the marriage of the Lamb has arrived and his wife has prepared herself. 8 Yes, it has been granted to her to be arrayed in bright, clean, fine linen, for the fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the holy ones."

  They need to explain how the great crowd is in heaven and on earth too.

  Brant