Great read, I too have looked into all this in the past, when my wife just asked me last night if I could ever see myself learning to love 'Jehovah' I said you have to understand what the means to me when you say that, are you talking about El? Elohim? YHWH? Jehovah is a made up word, and not all to creative at that. Canaanites chief pagan god was 'El' and YHWH was one of their pantheon of gods, so I guess I am sort of like that ancient @$$hole Pharaoh when he said "Who is this Jehovah?".... no seriously, who is he? because no one could really say.
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BART EHRMAN answers my question
by TerryWalstrom inas a member on bart ehrman's blog, i am able to ask him direct questions.is jehovah in the bible?.
question:.
how firmly grounded in reality is the claim of jehovahs witnesses that the divine name (jehovah) belongs in the new testament?.
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To all anointed wannabe losers, DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT, OR ELSE!!!!!
by DATA-DOG inonce again the beloved and loving governing body are demonstrating their utmost disdain for the rank and file members of the jehovah church.
let us review this interesting trend, starting with some facts!
yay, facts!!!
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Injected Buddhist teachings into Watchtower Study today
by cappytan inon the paragraph about meditation in today's study, i gave a comment about "meditating with a view towards mindfulness and awareness of the positive things in our lives.".
afterwards, about 8 people that i rarely talk to in the congregation came up and expressed how much they appreciated that point.. wanted to say, "thank the buddha.
" but didn't have the guts.
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Well played.
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Who leaves first, the husband or wife?
by snugglebunny inwhen it comes to a simple matter of no longer believing the teachings of jw's, it appears to me that it's more common for the husband to make the first move to leave the religion.
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lol you guys don't chastise OneEyedJoe... multitasking or not. Women are different, our chemistry is different, Simon put it best, no one is trying make any claim, it's not a competition.
Generally speaking who has more Testosterone in their system? Women have it, but are men and women the same??? They are not. That is not insulting anyone to simply say there is a difference in genders.
Please don't crucify OneEyedJoe. We all mean well here,
And after all... isn't all this anger just....emotional response
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Who leaves first, the husband or wife?
by snugglebunny inwhen it comes to a simple matter of no longer believing the teachings of jw's, it appears to me that it's more common for the husband to make the first move to leave the religion.
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_morpheus sounds like my mom! Devoid of human emotion lol. But loves to monger fear for some reason.
OneEyedJoe I tried to help. I think I made it worse. Let me just say this if you have ever been involved in any heavy duty marketing, advertising, focus groups etc. You would see men and when are not in fact the same. Statistically. Sure that's not everyone. And that's ok! Again forget psychology and emotion. Biologically we operate in our own way. And its ok! I have a great deal of pharmaceutical and marketing experience. biological and psychological side. I love all you ladies :) If we were all just the same what fun would that be?
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Who leaves first, the husband or wife?
by snugglebunny inwhen it comes to a simple matter of no longer believing the teachings of jw's, it appears to me that it's more common for the husband to make the first move to leave the religion.
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Basically the tools used to keep anyone in (regardless of gender) work the same way for both. The question from OP we don't know the answer for sure. And each person will have their own experience in escaping the same cult system.
My own person case and I won't comment outside that. Just for me and my wife. When it comes to questionig this religion it gets an emotional response from men and women but from her she's cries and gets extremely angry and returns to same emotionally based reasons for faith.
Religion is an emotional thing so anyone (of either gender) with stronger reaction to emotional triggers of learning TTATT will react the same. Those willing to detach will take those steps.
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Who leaves first, the husband or wife?
by snugglebunny inwhen it comes to a simple matter of no longer believing the teachings of jw's, it appears to me that it's more common for the husband to make the first move to leave the religion.
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Don't fall into the straw man fallacy and say OneEyedJoe is trying to devalue women because I don't believe either of us were saying that at all. There is science behind women and mens processing of emotion.
Don't make it a case of devaluing one gender.
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Who leaves first, the husband or wife?
by snugglebunny inwhen it comes to a simple matter of no longer believing the teachings of jw's, it appears to me that it's more common for the husband to make the first move to leave the religion.
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I cannot believe men are still churning out the bullshit about they are more rational and women are more emotional.
I gotta back OneEyedJoe here, its not a effort to say men and when are not equal, but that we are definitely wired differently, if you work in any kind of advertising or anything that deals with tapping into psychology that is undeniable. No one is saying one is better than the other, and I know men that are super emotional and women who are the opposite and everything in between, but as a large group you can't deny we are just not the same.
We should not fall into the bias of saying that "men and women are exactly the same" because biologically we just aren't. Again not a question of one being better than the other or not equal .
Also the thing that may keep men in may actually be different than women all together. Men may feel insecure abut their masculinity by the way they are treated. If you aren't an elder are you a man? So a lot of insecure men, or ones who haven't outgrown that and feel they must prove something this becomes their F.O.G.
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Cheers to all! I'm in the house now! Finally signed up.
by Lifeisfun inhi readers and lurkers, .
i decided it was time to register to the site.
after all these years, it was just a matter of time.
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Be Happy You Have Traded Belief for Knowledge
by freemindfade ina man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.. mark twaineveryone have a good weekend, and feel the peace and happiness of being "awake".
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“A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.”
― Mark TwainEveryone have a good weekend, and feel the peace and happiness of being "awake"