Is it me only or I am stupid. Why nobody see several very simple things.
1. When 70 years started and WHAT they were and WHY there were started. Bible tells it very clearly. Read 2 Kings 21:11-15, then read Jer 15:3-4 and 2 King 24:1-3 and 2 Chron 36:20-21. There is cleary stated when and why the punishment (70 years) started. And it was not for Jerusalem alone but for whole Land and neighboring countries. Read Jer 25:11
2. Please read whole Jeremia 29 chapter. Read very firsth sentence of the chapter. Jeremia is writing TO captured exiled Jews FROM Jerusalem (it is still standing) and he is writing to them "when 70 years will pass". So 70 years allready are being predicted BEFORE Jerusalem is destroyed. Ofcourse JW can't see it as they just don't believe what Bible says.
3. Jer 27:6-10 writes again about 70 years starting period. It is for desolation of whole land not only Jerusalem
4. Read several different translations of Daniel 9, the text speaks about Jerusalem being desolated DURING 70 years, or till end of 70year period. So Daniel 9 speaks about WHEN Jerusalem desolation(s) will end. And it is at the end of 70 year period. It does not says that Jerusalem itself will be desolated for 70 years. If there is (I don't believe) some JW who knows aramic, he can read original
5. Zach 1:12 again prooves that 70 years not for Jerusalem alone but for whole Judea.
6. And most mind blowing place where captivity and Jerusalem destruction are mentioned in one place is Ecehiel 40:1. There it is cleary stated that captivity began BEFORE Jerusalem destruction.
7. And Biblically no Jeremia and no prophet speaks that 70 years punishment period starsts or is somehow connected to destruction of Jerusalem. It allways and in every place is connected with begin of Nebucadnezzar reign, when Babilon became most powerfull force in the known world. All the Judea and neighboring countries was under him. And this is the 70 year period. It is pure invention of WT that 70 year period is somehow conencted with Jerusalem destruction. There is no word in Bible for such interpretation.
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Sorry, another 607 question? I'm confused.
by lost_light06 inim trying to figure something out concerning the wts 607-1914 chronology that has me confused.
i thought they based the chronology on when jerusalem was destroyed.
however, the following is taken from the daniel book and it seems to base it on something else.
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I'm trying to make a web page (HELP!)
by MsMcDucket inok, how do i put music into the page?
it's been years since i've made a web page.
which should i use midi or wav?.
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Shazard
Believe putting sound into web page is very annoying and sign of bad design. Do not do it if you want someone more then one time to come to your page.
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This REFUTES Watchtower Blood policies and exposes the LIE
by Terry inhere is something hardly anybody is aware of.
it is an outright refutation of watchtower blood policies.
the rule against blood as we have come to know it through jehovah's witnesses is a bogus misrepresentation of already existing laws which the non-jews were under as far as jews were concerned.
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Guys! And again... no "honest" JW will ever read all this. During first 2 sentences they will find out that this is apostate material, and just close the browser. Any message to JW should be put into 2 sentences, only then you have chances to slip the seed of doubt into their heart.
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Wouldn't it be great if JWs behaved like this at your door??
by Inquisitor ini do not recommend that you have a mouthful of food or liquid while watching this in front of your monitor
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/133073/the_good_word_go_long_for_jesus/
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Cool... this would be very good and fun :)
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HOW WOULD A WITNESS ANSWER THIS?
by Mary inok, i responded on another thread about a blood issue, but i suddenly thought of a new point of view that, as far as i know, hasn't been touched on yet (i apologize if it has been) and i wanted to get your opinion.
as we all know, the governing body refuses blood transfusions based on the scriptures that talk about pouring the blood of a dead animal "out on the ground" because the life is in the blood, yada, yada yada.
they have stated openly that there is no difference between eating the blood of a dead animal, and taking blood from a live human, even to save a life.
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JW would not understand your point of view. They are not able to comprehand any topic longer than 2 sentences.
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Mankind's search for god / What is true from the bible?
by GBSJG inthe previous months i have done a lot of research about the wts and came to the conclusion that it is not the truth.
this however makes me think about what i still believe in.
is there a god?
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Strange. You don't think that God exist, coz you can't understand him?
I think that chemistry and quantum phisics does not exist. And by your logic electricity does not exist too.
But with God we have better case then with electricity. You can ask God all these questions and seek answers. Go to the Jesus Christ directly without different org between. -
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How can they explain THIS!!!!!???!!!
by Lady Liberty incheck out jeremiah 52:30 in the new world translation, it says:.
29 in the eighteenth year of nebuchadrez zar, from jerusalem there were eight hundred and thirty-two souls.. 30 in the twenty-third year of nebuchadrez zar, nebu zarad an the chief of the bodyguard took jews into exile, seven hundred and forty-five souls.. all the souls were four thousand and six hundred.. what this shows is the societys teaching that jerusalem was desolate, is not supported by scripture.
it was not literal.
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Common... WT will perish as perished first arians. FOr them it took 3 centuries. For WT it will take less than that. So in general if you look on the numbers of JW in the world, they actually do not exist. They are NOT... they ar so small... over whole face of the world. And even then they are perishing. God allways keeps his promisses and one promise is to not let unpunished ones who takes Lords name in vane.
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Does God Need an Organisation? Help
by Gordy in.
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can anyone direct me to information or article showing that god does not need an organisation like the watchtower.
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God does not need anything. He is sufficient in himself.
So do children of God need organization? Well... question is what you mean by "organization"? To be organised - yes. To have kind a Brooklin WT - no. God himself organizes his children through Holy Spirit and by his Word. And I guess it is in nature of whole living that people with common background, interests and motives gather in one place (spiritually).
So all Vietnam veterans ARE Vietnam veterans and this "Vietnam veterans" is this "organisation". You may be live in jungle, but if you are of this group, you are in the organization.
Remember where disciples of Jesus told that they rebuked one who preaches in His name. And they forbid it to him coz he was not with them. But Jesus knew that he IS, but not in visible way but in Spirit. To be in God's organization is to be in Christ. -
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WHAT IS A MEME? (mind virus controls behavior?)
by DannyHaszard inwhat is a meme?
(mind virus controls behavior)
christianity meme
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Well this is what you get when you mix cause with consequence! I assume that when apples are ready appletrees use their energetic to cause the wind to drop all the apples as seeds.
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'Jehovahs Day Approaches'
by Shazard inon may 1, 1998, watchtower published an article entitled 'jehovahs day approaches' .
can anybody provide me with scan.
exactly scan, coz no witness (i guess) will believe that it was printed in watchtower
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Is that article really speaking about locust in Joel and Revelation 9 as Jehovah's Witnesses and Abadon as Jesus Christ himself? I guess CD is not reliable source allready, as they change and edit it.
Also is it scanned ther? I guess it is plain text only. It would be nice to have real paper scan of the article if it really talks about the things.