Oompa, I've never seen the GB walk on water or raise the dead. One question, was your faith in the GB or in Christ? It's a long walk, brother. Leave the guilt alone. You were mislead, you have nothing to feel guilty about.
Posts by dinah
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13Why i no longer feel bad about not believing...lacking faith...DUH!
by oompa ini hit enter by accident so will hurry dang it!
what did it take for the apostles and other followers of jesus to believe????
did they believe just because jesus said "follow me and you will have everlasting life...and yeah i fullfill everything about he messiah and am prett much speaking for him?
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The Black/African American Perspective on the Watchtower Organization
by XOCO ini was wondering if anybody has some input/suggestions on their feelings of blacks/a.a (no offences to ppl who are white and born in s.african or anything of that nature.
ok in xocos case i'm h***an/american (born in the us) and i grew up in a predominantly h****an kh so mostly black and few european ppl/decent that spoke the francophone lang (*hint,hint*) i've never knew what it was like to be in a predominantly caucasian kh (4 that 1 year i was living in the bible belt of fl,us).
it was different and ppl were mesmerized by the way i acted compared to other a.a. jw around their near by khs.
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dinah
I was in a predominantly while congregation. They have a black CO now, I actually went to hear him a couple of years ago. Truth be told that's the only reason I went.
Black people are warmer and seem to have a much stronger sense of family. I'm in Bama too, Snowbird--but I'm soooo white I can barely tan.
I never witnessed discrimination, probably because of the absence of African Americans. We did finally get an African American elder when I was about 15. He was instrumental in getting me kicked out of the org. I was dating a worldly black guy and he hated that. Seems people in the community were talking too much and it was bringing reproach. Jeeeeez!
I always loved the assemblies because the races were together. Maybe it was just a pipe dream, but it will be reality eventually.
That is one thing I am thankful for, not being prejudiced because of something stupid like skin color. Character is so much more important.
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Any Tyler Perry fans in the house?
by dinah inhave any of you watched his movies or plays?
i love them and could watch them everyday.
he is so grounded.
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dinah
He has a new book out called "Don't Make a Black Woman Take Off Her Earrings" I've GOT to read that one.
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Any Tyler Perry fans in the house?
by dinah inhave any of you watched his movies or plays?
i love them and could watch them everyday.
he is so grounded.
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dinah
Have any of you watched his movies or plays? I love them and could watch them everyday. He is so grounded. His message reaches across racial and class boundaries to reach people. He is inspirational to me.
I've watch Family Reunion and Diary of a Mad Black Woman about 20 times each. I've rented several of his plays. They are awesome. They have healing power. If you've never heard of him, check him out.
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Watched TV evangelists for the first time today
by shopaholic ini was flipping through the channels while doing cardio and i decided to hear what a couple of these people had to say.
while i've determined that i'm agnostic, this one guy was pretty good...he was practical and funny.
he made the bible seem more like a good self-help book than a "book laws to be obeyed or else you'll die".
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dinah
I love Joyce Meyer. She has practical ideas on depression. Also, she breaks things down into simple, everyday things. There is no fire and brimstone, but she does point out how we can make better decisions in our lives.
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funny thing about being sad...especially now of all times w/ snow & NBC
by oompa ini have to get feeing better soon.
i don't mind some ups and downs, but staying low for days at a time just ain't right.
somebody here was talking about snow the other day and how the elders would almost never cancel the meeting.
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dinah
Oompa,
You came to the right place. Most of us have been there. It helped me more than anything to know there were other people (real human beings) out there who felt exactly as I did. They had all the anger, grief, frustration, doubt, oh the list of emotions this puts you through is endless. Being able to share that with people who truly understand is very helpful in recovery.
In your beginning post you asked if it was a gradual thing seeing the truth about 'the truth". I can't remember. When I was df'd I just ran headlong into the world. It was only about 6-7 years ago that I seriously started thinking about God again. So, of course, where did I turn? I tried going back to the meetings and just couldn't sit through them. I remember being at a bookstudy when they were going through the Isiah book, and sitting there thinking--WTF?
Somehow after being away for 15 years, it just didn't make sense anymore--and I was taught this crap from birth! So I started reading the bible. It made alot of sense. By the time I got around to reading CoC, it told me what I already knew.
Don't forget to breathe! I had a dear friend on another board who would always PM me when I was freaking out and say "Breathe!" That helped. The depression could come and go.
This too shall pass, Oompa. Hang in there.
Dinah
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Understanding apostacy....I just dont feel like one
by oompa inso when an elder friend informed me they were concerned my thinking may be headed towards apostacy, i reminded him i had never said anything bad against the society, sure had no teachings of my own, nor wanted any followers, just answers.
also reminded him that all my research was wt material based, and the problems/contridictions i had found were troubling for that very reason.
he agreed that i had stayed on pretty safe ground.. but when i looked into it a bit more, it could easily go either way.
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dinah
That "current truth" phrase cracks me up. Truth is truth and does not change. Headquarters could be called apostates themselves just for changing their minds so much. Changes in doctrines, blood fractions, new light on this and that -- is NOT truth. That is someone's whim of interpretation.
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As a teenager what was your 1st car
by XOCO ini got my car from an elderly sis from my congo and it only had 52000mi and its a subaru gl-10 wagon '88 it looks just like this.
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77 Toyota Celica. She was sweet.
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Understanding apostacy....I just dont feel like one
by oompa inso when an elder friend informed me they were concerned my thinking may be headed towards apostacy, i reminded him i had never said anything bad against the society, sure had no teachings of my own, nor wanted any followers, just answers.
also reminded him that all my research was wt material based, and the problems/contridictions i had found were troubling for that very reason.
he agreed that i had stayed on pretty safe ground.. but when i looked into it a bit more, it could easily go either way.
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dinah
Oompa, I really dislike that word "apostate". It is just my opinion, but disagreeing with a few men on biblical matters doesn't make you apostate. It is just another hateful label the witnesses throw around to maintain control of the masses.
You shouldn't feel like an apostate, Oompa. That is just a name they are calling you. They remind me of schoolyard bullies.
Hang in there. I love reading your posts. I get your humor. Stay strong.
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Are There Similarities With JWs & ExJWs?
by minimus indo you think believe that once a person leaves the organization that they are all that much different from what they were as witnesses?
is there still a "cult mentality" in the exjw community?
are there some that still want to feel "special"?
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dinah
There are probably similarities. I think it depends on where we are individually in our journeys. There are definite personality differences in children (now adults) who were born and raised as Witnesses.
I've noticed people exhibiting all the stages of grief as they come out of the organization.
I believe there are more of us who need therapy or are in therapy than the general non-dub population. That is not a scientific fact of course. I'm sure people who leave Amish country or other repressive religions go through the same thing.
It's funny that we change from being JWs to being ex-JWs. This could just be so we can find each other for support. If someone has not personally been there, they would never understand the issues we have.