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  What J.W teaching did you find the hardest to accept??

  by karter in

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  for me it was the fact that god is allowing all these innocent people to get killed to prove a point ,i mean it was a big bet he had with satan.. i explained it to my wife this way if i had our children killed in the most horriable way just to show they couldn't live without me how does that make me look?.

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  Shunning people because they said so. If I choose not to speak someone it is because of how they treet me, my family or friends, and it would be my choice. Just because someone does not believe what I do or agrees with me(Or my religion) that does not mean they are any less of a person. Althought most JW are nice but missled people there are many of them, in good standing, that I would not spit on if they were on fire. Yet there are many shunned ones that I would go through a fire for.
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  Weirdest music you like

  by JK666 in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  i always liked captain beefheart and his magic band.

  here are a few youtube examples:.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqrhr5peifu&feature=related.

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  Some of the weirdest would be Max Webster, Crack The Sky, and Triumverat.
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  The manipulation is sickening...

  by AuroraB in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, i just had another run-in with the moms.

  totally unrelated to the truth, but we just disagree on so many things, and instead of being respectful and agreeing to disagree, i got the standard, "something is wrong with your thinking and you're going to have a hard time of it if you don't change.

  " or, in other words, start to believe what she believes.

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  I know it is sad here all the time, that when a JW starts to think for themself that is when their journey begins. They start to see the lies and manipulation and it affects them. They then have to make a choice. Do I leave, do I stay in and pretend it is ok, (For family etc.) or do I tell myself that there is something wrong with me and I need correction? When we take that course we cause ourselfs extreme mental and emotional anguish. I'm sure many of us have been there, and or know people that are there. How sad it is to see and experience. And trying to talk to them is futile. You tell them you are overworked and tired, they say it's because you need to do more.

  I remember a conversation I had with an anointed elder about music. I am a guitarest/vocalist and I love rock (Big JW no no). He says that all music is evil other than , you guessed it, Kingdom Melodies, and some classical (provided it was not writen for the church). He said it causes a "spirit of rebelliousness". I said "Really, so if I agree with you then I would have to get rid of all my music collection. And if I disagree with you, I am proving you right by being rebellious?" His responce was "Yes". I think he was suprised that I saw through his set up so quickly but he would not back down.

  It is that type of self-righteousness reasoning that is impossable to argue aginst. "It's the truth because I believe it, and if I believe it that is all the proof I need." I still say that most JW are good but missled people, and it is so sad.
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  Where do I stand?

  by 2112 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been out for about14 years, and i honestly don't know where i stand.

  i was neve told i was df'ed, and i never da'ed.

  i remember my wife told mt 'they read your letter tonight.

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  TJ - Thanks, I guess my sarcasm is a bit too dry today, my whole intent on the blood guilt thing was just a way to try and piss them off if I get to a point where I wanted to have that kind of fun.

  Cool response anyway
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  Where do I stand?

  by 2112 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been out for about14 years, and i honestly don't know where i stand.

  i was neve told i was df'ed, and i never da'ed.

  i remember my wife told mt 'they read your letter tonight.

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  OTWO - I agree that is why I said nothing other than - "It is not a question of how you view my me or what I say, it is the fact that I do not disassociate myself.

  That was the totality of what I wrote. I know they can and do say it means anything they want it to, I still find it intersting. They know what the truth is and they cover it up.
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  Where do I stand?

  by 2112 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been out for about14 years, and i honestly don't know where i stand.

  i was neve told i was df'ed, and i never da'ed.

  i remember my wife told mt 'they read your letter tonight.

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  I have been out for about14 years, and I honestly don't know where I stand. I was neve told I was DF'ed, and I never DA'ed. I remember my wife told mt 'They read your letter tonight." I said "What letter?" She said "The letter you wrote." Ii told her I did not write a letter other than the one that said I am not DA myself, which was in responce to their letter saing that they would view my not subjecting myself to them as a DA. My best friends mother said I was never DF or DA that she knew of (to which I would like to know why she still shuns me).

  So I don't know where I stand, not that I really care. However if they said I d DA myself when I clearly did not then they are guilty of lying and blocking my way towards spritual salvation. Would that not by extention make them blood guilty?
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  Dear Friend, You are Satan so don't talk to me

  by Younglove1999 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  some background info: .

  in 2006, i was still a jw (jehovah's witness) we were attending a congregation in v town.

  i had been going there since we were married, and ben had grew up in that congregation.

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  I'm sorry to hear this, even if it isn't suprising. You don't go to the meeting so you are fair game in their eyes.

  When one of my sons was molested, the elders circled their wagons around the guy. Even to the police and social workers they protected this guy. the PO even tried to tell the police that it was probably me who was guilty and I was making my son say it was someone else. Well the profesionals did their investagation and proved what my son said was correct. Well three or four months later a elder and family from another cong. came to where I was working (I was out by then), and when his wife saw me, she asked for my manager. She tells him that I was a convicted child molester, I raped my own son, & my wife left be because of it. None of that was the case, and my boss knew it. Well this woman came back two or three times to see if I was fired or not. I was working at a theme park at the time. Weill after a while I was asked to leave just so they would not have to deal with her anymore.

  I told my elder Father and my wife, they were upset and went to the other cong. and talked to those elders, the verdect came back (Which my father supported and my wife did not argue with, good witness you know) since the womn was a "sister" and in good standing, and I was not a witness, she was justified, after all how do we really know that she isn't right.

  My father and wife tried to "comfort me" with the old Jehovah will bring all things to light if we are loyal. My reply was "well she is loyal, will he bring to light that she is a lying bitch?"
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  Memorial Dates 2008 and 2009

  by WTWizard in

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  2. friends

  this year, the crapmorial will be after sundown on march 22, a saturday (easter is march 23).

  there will, in fact, be a drive to hound people into attending.

  and i found from the december 2007 kingdumb misery that the 2009 crapmorial is april 9, a thursday night.. not that i recommend attending either one of those wastefests.

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  Thanks for the dates.

  And to think last year we were told that it may be the last one, I'm so happy!
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  News from Mother ship

  by jefferywhat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1. bethel in ny suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there.

  2. major organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, po to be done away with, thats all i know for now.

  was told that if you are the sort of person that cant handle changes, you wont stay in the org for long.

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  It could all be another shell game. When they end up in court again it will be said that the PO said this or the (Any current title in the cong.) said that, they will reply 'We don't use those terms and have no idea what they are talking about. Trying to convence the courts that the folks sueing them don't know the semantics so they can't be credible.

  What ever the reason it will ultimatly be a financial one and nothing more.
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  THE TORTURE STAKE

  by journey-on in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  why in the world did they choose to call it that!

  i remember the horrific way it always sounded to me...the torture stake.

  couldn't they have chosen something else?

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  I remember being told by an elder that some people use the cross as a phallic symbol so that is another reason that JW forbid the cross. I asked what looks more like a male sex organ a cross or a straight poll? just more "proof" that I am spritually weak I guess!