here are a few comments that i overheard at this week's book study (of the third chapter of the bible teach book), and the thoughts i had after hearing them: .
conductor: "as food shortages become more and more common as the time of the end advances, they will make excellent field service points since they were predicted by the bible.
me: great.
Well, good luck Under_Believer...I sure want to see you do a thread on that day where you just decide to walk out and never come back.
Mine was the saturday morning session of a circuit assembly. Walked in, and I just suddenly realized I had nothing at all to do with these people any more; just walked back out and made tracks.
I can remember it as clear as the Kennedy assasination, Princess Di, or 9-1-1.
And it was about 25 years ago.
James
here are a few comments that i overheard at this week's book study (of the third chapter of the bible teach book), and the thoughts i had after hearing them: .
conductor: "as food shortages become more and more common as the time of the end advances, they will make excellent field service points since they were predicted by the bible.
me: great.
under_believer - even the NAME of your great thread was funny!
"Overheard" !!!
Sort of like you were sitting in another room behind a curtain and not part of the conversation?
Had that feeling myself once or twice...
here are a few comments that i overheard at this week's book study (of the third chapter of the bible teach book), and the thoughts i had after hearing them: .
conductor: "as food shortages become more and more common as the time of the end advances, they will make excellent field service points since they were predicted by the bible.
me: great.
Kitty is right - not only the funniest thing, but the funniest whole thread.
See - snakes just don't know that the beggin bits aren't real bacon!
But, kitte can't eat JDubs in new system because they are made of real animal protein.
here are a few comments that i overheard at this week's book study (of the third chapter of the bible teach book), and the thoughts i had after hearing them: .
conductor: "as food shortages become more and more common as the time of the end advances, they will make excellent field service points since they were predicted by the bible.
me: great.
OK - OK i will try on the aperture but only because i am bored...
It is a pinhole (a tiny one) in some opaque substance. If you shine individual light particles through it and project it onto a screen, you do not get a tiny dot. You get a much larger circular image which has circular light and dark bands like the ripples on a pond. This is how a diffraction grating works (which can spead out light into a rainbow effect.) God made this physical principle happen right after the flood as electrons nor photons had this property before about 2520 b.c.e.
Scientists, however, say that this has been used to prove that even if a photon/electron is a kind of particle they also have a wave-like nature.
Practically speaking, you can make an extremely short-focused camera by using such a pinhole in front of the regular lens and bellows.
See, you thought I was going to say it was a heavy aperture that had been to Jenny Craig.
apparantly he is the oldest survivor of the holocaust at 101 years old and he is one of jehovahs witnesses.
Yes, I know what you meant - I was just speculating that surely you would expect some say 16 year old from the various camps might be statistically more likely to still be alive...maybe an internet search on this name would be useful...I will try in a minute or two.
James
apparantly he is the oldest survivor of the holocaust at 101 years old and he is one of jehovahs witnesses.
Haven't heard of Leopold, but you made me think:
2006 - 1945 = 61 years since liberation of the camps.
101 - 61 = 40 years old at the time.
So the (probably) "youngest" survivor was 40 back at the end of WW2?
here are a few comments that i overheard at this week's book study (of the third chapter of the bible teach book), and the thoughts i had after hearing them: .
conductor: "as food shortages become more and more common as the time of the end advances, they will make excellent field service points since they were predicted by the bible.
me: great.
Maybe snakes will grow their legs back in the New System...along with chucking the fangs.
No - we already have lizards - always wondered what the serpent looked like before he was made to crawl on the ground.
For that matter, I don't think they believe there will be children in the new system either, so maybe it's a moot point -
i was always impressed by the art in wt literature, especially by pictures of the throne of god, heaven and angels, the visions of daniel and revelation.
these added in deepening my acceptance and understanding of wt teaching.
the earthly hope was very appealing to me, yet i whished to be able to go to heaven for a short time just to see the spirit realm and then return to live in earthly paradise.
to quote:
Like those pictures of paradise where some guy is hoeing his garden in a long sleeved dress shirt and a sweater--someone will always comment "look how nicely we'll be dressed in the New Order."
New Kingdom Song (by Eddie Albert and Eva Gabor) - - - "Green Acres is the Place For Me!!! Goodbye City Life!!"
Those "new order" pics reminded me a lot of those Soviet posters showing the happy collective farm peasants working their hearts out in the fields...
One thing about them that always got to me was how crowded they always seemed - never large useful fields, always something that looked like a quarter of an acre or so with about a dozen picnicers and the family tiger. And of course the way that the pubs would pick every detail apart - what did the house look like, was there an airconditioner, did I see a guy on a tractor, blah blah...like as if the art department was doing inspired works just like the writers.
I guess Seven006 pretty much tore that kind of "indepent but inspired art department" impression to shreds! But subliminal - remember Seven's tale of retouching the guy in jail picture about a dozen times just to get a tortured enough look on his face? Maybe not subliminal - but sure as heck manipulated to project exactly the emotional response that the writing department wanted.
James
i had an eye exam recently, expecting to need a new prescription.
for about the 4th time in a row, my eyes have improved.
the eye doctor told me that if i was a new eye patient, he would tell me i didn't need glasses.. i've worn them since i was 16 and i am now 60. i have astigmatism, but he said it is so slight, that i could easily get by with the lowest correction in reading glasses.. he said i didn't need to get new glasses unless i wanted to get some.
Are you sure you have not been abducted by aliens and given a Lasix as a test while they are learning earth technology?
in oklahoma city, back in the buildup to 1975 (lets say about 68 or 69), there were four very special older jw ladies who had a great influence on my life.
i would like to say something nice about each one.. starting with lois & marie...(lois vandoren & marie salyer for those old enough to remember).
lois & marie were probably the most kind and faithful jw ladies i have ever met.
I guess most everyone has picked up on the idea that this thread is sort of a "memorial day" tribute for four very nice ladies who died as JWs years ago. None of them were hardliners on the end of the world, but I think they all somehow hoped to see it in their time. No such luck!
Well, this is part two - my very good friends Helen Murray and Lucille Fitzgerald. Helen and Lucille were sisters (like Lois and Marie) but their social positions could not have been different. Helen and Lucille were the owners of a very upscale paint and wallpaper store in Oklahoma City that had been started way back in about 1920 by their father. It was called "Murrays" and they had a street front showroom office on 23rd street down close to Oklahoma City University. Their clients were mostly the fashionable millionaires of the day and mostly in an upscale neighborhood called Nichols Hills - sort of the Beverly Hills of Oklahoma City. They themselves lived separately in very elegent antique style homes in another older part of OKC.
I mention this much of their background because it was Helen & Lucille who provided the wallpaper contracts for Marion Dunlap for many years, and who later helped Ed Dunlap when he got dumped from Bethel. Helen told me later that she felt bad about Ed and Marion, but that she and her sister were just too old and set in their ways to make such a bold statement. I never tried to debate the truth and falsehood issues; they probably had had it in full measure from Marion.
Back in about 1964 or 1965, the Society sponsered an "Around the World" tour in which a group of around 120 or so wealthy witnesses (or at least witnessses who could afford the tickets) started out in NYC at Bethel and then went all through Europe, down Italy, across N Africa and the Middle East, India, IndoChina, Australia and NZ (I think) and then back up to HongKong, Japan, and Hawaii before disbanding in LA. This was timed out to have them attend a few of the so-called internation assemblies planned in key cities for that summer.
While most of the dozen or so people I knew who were on this tour mostly just went along and looked at it, Helen had a mission. Lucille's son had given her a high-end 35mm camera and enough film to fully record everything. Helen, being an artistic sort and an enthusiast for architecture mostly took shots of famous buildings and locations - recording some great architectural details and historical things. There was not much emphasis on the assemblies themselves. Helen was a truly talented amateur photographer.
When they got back, she assembled the 35mm slides into a sort of chronological travelogue which lasted around 2 hours. This was presented to many kingdom halls as evidence of the big trip - Helen herself did the commentary. These were done as a sort of kingdom hall level special event (usually on Saturday). They were unique - a meeting you could look forward to sitting through, given by a LADY, and fully sponsered by the congregation committee. It was also the only really educational JW meeting I have ever been to - a big deal for a 16 year old kid because we didn't have travel channel in those days and my geography book at school was a B&W job from about 1930. Helen had taken an interest in me and usually let me organize the slide tray rings in order while she did the travel show. I don't know what happened to those slides - they would be of great historical value today.
In 1973, I took a trip with Helen and Lucille to New York City to see Bethel. This was a semi-sponsored group of OKC and Tulsa witnesses who wanted to see the big apple HQ. The Society put us all up in one of the worst flea-bag hotels I had ever seen in my life (my mother always insisted on traveling in clean hotel rooms). It was right across the street from part of Bethel, I heard they later bought it and made it into a dorm.
Helen (and Lucille, but mostly Helen) decided that James needed to see the cultural values of New York more than to be brain pounded on the official Bethel Tour. She could get us a short form private tour next day. So we skipped it, went to Museum of Modern Art, shopped at Macy's (she had much advice on presents for my GF of the day) and she steered us to supposedly the very restaruant where that cold white leeks & potato soup was invented...(etc.) Later that evening she blew the three of us right into bethel and steered me to the brownstone apartment of a "very important Bethel guy she knew". It was the first time I had met Ed and Betty Dunlap.
Walking back to the coldwater flophouse, Helen steered us around a block or so to a tavern. (She knew right where the closest decent one to Bethel was). She said "I am going to have to have a cold beer and carry off a pint of Whisky before I can go back and sleep in that room"!!! The next night Ed got her and Lucille into an adjoining luxury apartment in his building which was unused.
I know some of this may make these two sound like JW elitist snobs, and maybe thats how some viewed them back then. But they were my friends, and they taught me a lot about real life. Helen never married, but she sure was the good looking strong willed female of her times. I asked Marion just before he died last year if maybe Helen was kind of his GF before he married Edith.
He just kind of growled in that gravel voice of his "Oh, yes - Helen...hehhehheh" - so I cannot call it confirmed or denied. I sure miss all of them.
James
