Posts by ThomasCovenant

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Ignorance of Watchtower doctrine among young JW's

by nicolaou in

i've been having a conversation with a young jw on twitter and have, once again, come up against beliefs that do not match up with official watchtower doctrine.

if you like you can read the full thread here (you'll need to click on some comments to open it all up).. anyway the upshot is that this jw, and many like her, believe that only truly wicked people will be killed at armageddon - not innocent babies and children or anyone who "didn't know better" perhaps because they didn't get a witness.

it's as though they cannot accept the obvious injustice of jehovah's morality.. this jw teenager believes that all these non-jw's who survive armageddon will get their chance to prove their loyalty during the 1000 year reign of christ - again, not a watchtower teaching.. i don't really have a question to ask, this is just an observation.

ThomasCovenant

As regards being 'saved' or 'surviving' Armageddon,

ask them,

''Do I need to be a Jehovah's Witness in order to be either 'saved' or 'survive' Armageddon?

If they answer truthfully then the answer is

''Yes, you do have to be a JW to be saved/survive '', which means only JW's will make it. The rest die.

If they answer with a lie then it's

''No, you don't have to be Jehovah's Witness to be saved/survive. We leave that to Jehovah to decide.''

My answer would then be,

''In which case what difference does it make whether I join you or not?''

What a tragedy. Reported as a JW but actually a former JW.

by ThomasCovenant in

jw
friends

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6513107/sister-woman-drowned-daughter-says-teenage-drug-fuelled-parties-drove-insanity.html.

headline says jw but then further on says a 'former' jw.

either way a tragedy for all..

ThomasCovenant

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6513107/Sister-woman-drowned-daughter-says-teenage-drug-fuelled-parties-drove-insanity.html

Headline says JW but then further on says a 'former' JW. Either way a tragedy for all.

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Hello Everyone, Another JW Has Left!

by SuperGirl in

just want to introduce myself and let you know that this site is working and is a big help to lots of jws with doubts.

i've been lurking for about a year, the first couple of times i was frightened and literally shaking visiting an apostate site but it's the only place i can come to for sanity.

the religion has become a nut house.

ThomasCovenant

Welcome. Thanks for introducing yourself.

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They would Stone us if the law would allow

by ElderEtta in

several years ago unless i was dreaming i read a watchtower quotation that effectively said that they would execute us as disfellowshipped individuals if the law would allow.. was i dreaming?.

ThomasCovenant

''None of that is phrased as past tense''

I apologise,

I took it that the phrase ''Several years ago...... I read'' to be past tense,

as I understood the past tense of 'to read' to be the word 'read', pronounced 'red'.

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They would Stone us if the law would allow

by ElderEtta in

several years ago unless i was dreaming i read a watchtower quotation that effectively said that they would execute us as disfellowshipped individuals if the law would allow.. was i dreaming?.

ThomasCovenant

I'm not quite sure I follow what you are getting at Simon.

I didn't read the the OP as trying to nail the WTS to the stake for a snippet of a phrase they printed in 1952, but I may have misinterpreted.

I took it they were asking if they were correct in their recollection and JWFacts answered with the information to clarify. Job done.

What's the big deal with the date?

What helped me out of the religion was reading stuff that had been printed before I was born by the religion I was a part of.

I only wish that I'd known the shit they had printed including this about apostates and yes I would certainly use the 1952 quote to point out what the religion is really like.

Just as I would use the 1928 quotation about the Pleiades constellation being the suggested dwelling place of Jehovah which I believe, if I am correct in my recollection, helped you in your leaving the Witness religion.

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They would Stone us if the law would allow

by ElderEtta in

several years ago unless i was dreaming i read a watchtower quotation that effectively said that they would execute us as disfellowshipped individuals if the law would allow.. was i dreaming?.

ThomasCovenant

''Only a complete moron'' would understand the OP to mean that the quote was from several years ago as opposed to 'I read it several years ago'.

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They would Stone us if the law would allow

by ElderEtta in

several years ago unless i was dreaming i read a watchtower quotation that effectively said that they would execute us as disfellowshipped individuals if the law would allow.. was i dreaming?.

ThomasCovenant

Several MINUTES ago unless I was dreaming I read a watchtower quotation that effectively said that they would execute us as disfellowshipped individuals if the law would allow.

Morpheus............... So, 1952 is your definition of “several MINUTES ago”?

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Yet another molester

by ThomasCovenant in

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/senior-jehovahs-witness-sexually-abused-15375089.

accused, i should add..

ThomasCovenant

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/senior-jehovahs-witness-sexually-abused-15375089

Accused, I should add.

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Epiphany #2

by Solzhenitsyn in

so after much emotional struggle out into the open comes why my dear wife continues to want to stay with the wt organization.. i simply couldn't understand why someone so intelligent would suffer from such confusion wether to stay active or fade away when she has faced and accepted the anti-jw facts.

simply put: she was raised with such sick instability that jw life was the only thing that provided stability, the only thing she felt she could count on.

to this day this remains the primary reason she stays "in".

ThomasCovenant

I was in a similar place.

I didn't believe a single word of the religion for years but I carried on going for the 'association'.

Being a bit of a loner I had no social life outside the Witnesses, so was content to go along.

It took the blood transfusion issue with my wife to snap me out of it.

Next day finished.

I consider every JW that still attends even for the same reason that I did to be partly responsible for every death that results from the blood transfusion policy and partly responsible for every rape of a child that takes place under its security blanket.

I couldn't live with that anymore.

Every one that still attends has a ripple effect to ensure that others still attend even though they may not believe it anymore. Peer pressure.

If more unbelievers just left other unbelievers would just leave too.

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Family is now reaping what they sowed and they don't like it.

by Gemmel in

i resigned from the jw's in my 20's over 30 years ago, i was immediately shunned by my entire family and it's remained that way with a few exceptions ever since.

one of those exceptions was being contacted by a cousin a few years back and during that conversation i discovered that my mother had been and still was the prime mover in my complete and continuing shunning.

i then used what contacts i had left to confirm it.

ThomasCovenant

Another tragedy from a mistaken belief in a sky god.