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  JWs and the Holocaust

  by Stealth in

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  the jws always like to highlight their persecution during the holocaust.

  while true, the chart below showing numbers of victims for jw was the lowest of all persecuted groups.

  even lower than spanish republicans.. im guessing there have been more victims due to the wt blood policy.

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  ThomasCovenant

  ''The terrible persecution of Jehovah’s witnesses by Hitler, worse than that he inflicted on the Jews, took place.'' WT 1966 15th Oct page 635.
  
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  Lloyd’s new book

  by jwfacts in

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  i see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

  this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.

  i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.

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  ThomasCovenant

  Wow! I must be one of the onlypeople on this forum who does not know 'Lloyd Evans'.

  So many people here must have met him and spent many hours getting to know him personally.

  I assume they must be very close to him to know so intimately his personal circumstances, his personal finances and his innermost thoughts.

  I bow to your superior knowledge on this and value your informed opinions.
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  Looking for older article in Wtbts regarding “tigers teeth and claws” being designed for coconut husk removal.

  by notjustyet in

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  i hope i’m not imagining this but jace not been able to find the source.

  even looked deeply into jwfacts site and still can’t find it.

  basically the way i remember it was there was a article trying to explain away the “teeth and claws” from a tiger that alluded to it being a meat eater from the beginning.

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  ThomasCovenant

  The Flood account and the idea that the animal kingdom changed from herbivorous to carnivorous less than 4,500 years ago is probably THE main reason I stopped believing in the Watchtower Bible.
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  Looking for older article in Wtbts regarding “tigers teeth and claws” being designed for coconut husk removal.

  by notjustyet in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope i’m not imagining this but jace not been able to find the source.

  even looked deeply into jwfacts site and still can’t find it.

  basically the way i remember it was there was a article trying to explain away the “teeth and claws” from a tiger that alluded to it being a meat eater from the beginning.

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  ThomasCovenant

  Questions From Readers

  ● Some animals have characteristics that seem especially suited to killing, such as lions and poisonous snakes. How can this be, if they were all vegetarians at one time?—L. K., Netherlands.

  It is understandable that this question might arise, for as things stand now many animals do kill one another for food. But please note that this is as things stand now. Is there anyone on the earth who can say from personal observation how these animals acted six thousand years ago?

  Throughout the earth humans kill animals and eat their flesh. But does man’s ability to chew and digest meat prove that all men eat meat or that men have always eaten meat? No, for God’s Word, the oldest and most reliable history of mankind, shows that originally Jehovah gave man “all vegetation bearing seed” and “every tree on which there is the a fruit of a tree bearing seed” as food. It was not until over sixteen hundred years later that God permitted a change of diet for man, allowing him to hunt animals for food.—Gen. 1:29; 9:2, 3.

  True, those who believe that man and animals evolved over a period of millions of years might not accept this, but it is what the Word of God says, and Jesus Christ said, “Your word is truth.” (John 17:17) If the present diet and mode of life of humans does not represent what it originally was, is it not possible that the same is true of animals?

  We must keep in mind that scientists are limited in their knowledge. Even if a man is an authority in some field of animal life, he does not know all there is to know about an animal as it now lives, to say nothing about how it lived thousands of years in the past. Those who are humble and sincere admit this. The very fact that scientists have different opinions proves the point.

  For instance, the question came up as to whether cobras can hear sounds. On November 27, 1968, an Associate Curator of Reptiles at one of the large zoological gardens in the United States wrote: “All snakes are unable to hear sounds; this also includes the Cobra.” That seems quite final. However, on the very same day the Curator and Chairman of the Department of Herpetology at the American Museum of Natural History explained: “It has been generally assumed . . . that snakes are deaf to air-borne sounds. Recent evidence has it, though, that some snakes can hear low-pitched sounds. How this relates to the cobra problem is uncertain. The weight of evidence is still in favor of the theory that it is movement rather than sound that influences the cobras, but the matter certainly is not closed.”

  The Bible long ago indicated that the cobra hears the “voice of charmers,” but could refuse to listen just as a human can refuse to hear. (Ps. 58:4, 5) Would it be wise to reject what the Bible says just because some scientists think the facts to be otherwise? The above quotations show that the answer is, No. Similarly, that certain current evidence does not seem to support what the Bible says about animal life in the past should not cause one to reject God’s inspired Word.

  Another thing, is one justified in concluding that the way an animal uses its body today is the only possible way? As an example, a tiger uses its fangs and claws to catch, kill and tear apart other animals. Yet, could not these same fangs and claws be used in tearing apart heavy vegetation and ripping off husks and shells?

  ‘But what about poisonous snakes?’ someone may ask. Animal poisons might appear to be just for killing or protection, but are they? In “Animal Poisoners” H. Munro Fox wrote: “In some cases we know that poisons play a role in the functioning of the body of the animal which manufactures them. In many instances this may be the real raison d’être [reason for existence] of the venoms, quite apart from any protective value. The poisonous spittle of snakes, for example, has work to do in the digestion of the snake’s food.” Another illustration is a certain green marine worm that is partly covered with a poisonous slime. Is this poison to protect it from being eaten? It might seem so. Yet if the young of this worm settle on this slime, the poison changes them into microscopic males instead of the large females they would have developed into if they settled on the sea floor.

  It is true that hundreds or even thousands of problem cases might be brought up, ones that apparently indicate that animals always killed one another, that this is necessary for the “balance of nature.” But should our lack of complete knowledge of God’s creation cause us to lose faith in him and his Word? Should we let questions about preying animals prey on us?

  The Bible explains that in the paradise in Eden God gave to “every wild beast of the earth and to every flying creature of the heavens . . . all green vegetation for food.” (Gen. 1:30) Later all of the basic kinds of land animals lived in Noah’s ark for a whole year without devouring one another. And evidently drawing on the conditions that existed in Eden and that will be restored in the future, God’s Word says: “The cow and the bear themselves will feed; together their young ones will lie down. And even the lion will eat straw just like the bull. And the sucking child will certainly play upon the hole of the cobra . . . They will not do any harm or cause any ruin in all my holy mountain.”—Isa. 11:7-9.

  Surely the grand Creator who made the heavens and all that is in them, who arranged the perfect balance and order of the stars and who knows how harmony and peace existed in Eden, can restore paradise conditions. Bringing about a “balance of nature” wherein animals do not kill one another is not beyond His ability, is it? So, let us look forward to that time with confidence and trust.

  
  
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  Looking for older article in Wtbts regarding “tigers teeth and claws” being designed for coconut husk removal.

  by notjustyet in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope i’m not imagining this but jace not been able to find the source.

  even looked deeply into jwfacts site and still can’t find it.

  basically the way i remember it was there was a article trying to explain away the “teeth and claws” from a tiger that alluded to it being a meat eater from the beginning.

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  ThomasCovenant

  ''Another thing, is one justified in concluding that the way an animal uses its body today is the only possible way? As an example, a tiger uses its fangs and claws to catch, kill and tear apart other animals. Yet, could not these same fangs and claws be used in tearing apart heavy vegetation and ripping off husks and shells?''

  WT '69 1st Sept p543

  
  
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  Sunday's Watchtower Study March 18... Another Money Appeal

  by BluesBrother in

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  2. bible

  january 2018 issue "why give to the one who has everything?

  an unashamed contribution appeal... this one with the most manipulative language i can imagine... it may have been commented on before, but i am going to anyway.. p5 quote.

  "would you not agree that jehovah is worthy of all the glory and honor that we can give him by offering the best that we have?

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  ThomasCovenant

  Jehovah dignifies us with the opportunity to support the grand work taking place today. He guarantees that we will receive blessings when we give MONEY in support of the Kingdom.

  Jehovah promises that the one who gives MONEY generously will prosper.

  Giving MONEY also makes us happy, for “there is more happiness in giving MONEY than there is in receiving.
  
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  Gun Nuts...

  by silentbuddha in

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  anyone here into guns.

  i know alot of the euros here hate the idea but i wonder if there are any other members who are collectors or who are into hunting, target shooti g etc.. no shame zone?.

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  ThomasCovenant

  I like guns because they make it much easier to kill people.

  I think that's why they were developed in the first place.
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  Flat earth vs round earth

  by Jrjw in

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  my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

  what are people's thoughts on this?.

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  ThomasCovenant

  Is your brother breathing valuable air from the planet's (round or flat) atmosphere?

  If so, do me a favour.
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  Difficulty fading out

  by Emily1987 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is my first post on here so i apologize that it is like an essay!.

  my husband and i are currently 'fading out' of the truth.

  we stopped preaching in may 2016 and limited meeting attendance in january 2017 and stopped completely in june 2017. my main reason for this was my whole life i have been doing things to please others, even getting baptized to please my mum.

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  ThomasCovenant

  The brutality of having been in a cult and then wanting to leave it ,

  is that if you intend to contInue on the road of 'leaving the truth' then in years to come all the friends 'in the truth' that you now have will no longer be your friends in the future.

  So you may as well stop wasting any more time worrying about them and start living a new life.
  
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  why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?

  by poopie in

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  what do you think there hiding?.

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  ThomasCovenant

  @ThomasCovenant - Do you personally have the opinion that Jehovah's Witnesses handle child sexual abuse allegations in a way that protects children to the best of human abilities? If not, where do you think they fall short? If you do, please highlight the ways in which they best serve children in these cases through their policies.

  Thank you for asking me that question.

  1) In my opinion as a layman, no I don't think they do.

  2) I suppose I think they fall short by not reporting to the authorities

  3) I don't.

  That was quite easy.