Posts by jam

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"free love" in paradise?

by Coheedandcambria in

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i live in washington, and a certain congregation in the eastern part of the state have been convinced for years that when the great paradise is upon us, there will not be just one wife and one husband, but instead its going to be orgies and pleasure for everyone.. .

has anyone else heard about this?.

and ps.

jam

There is a direct coalition between Fanatical religious people and sex..When they are not thinking of

God , it,s sex..

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The one thing keeping me from total atheism/theism

by easyreader1970 in

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i hate riding the fence.

if someone asked me right now if i believed in a creator (or creators), i would still say i don't know, in spite of everything i know about current science.. what's my hangup?

believe it or not, it's one thing.

jam

i DO BELIEVE IN THE CREATOR, IT,S HARD TO IMAGINE SOMTHING CAME FROM NOTHEN..THE PROBLEM

WITH RELIGION IS WHAT IS TRUTH OR JUST STORIES AND FABLES..I CAN NOT SIT IN CHURCH AND

LISTING TO A MAN TELL ME , ADAM WAS THE FIRST MAN, THERE WAS A WORLD WIDE FLOOD LESS

4000-500O YRS. AGO AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WERE KILLED BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT THE CHOOSE.

IF MAYBE THEY WOULD SAY ,ADAM WAS THE FIRST SPIRITUAL MAN RECORED,.A FLOOD TOOK PLACE

BUT ONLY IN THAT LAND,NOAH WAS A SPIRITUL MAN ,SAVED BECAUSE GOD WANTED TO PERSEVER HIS

WORD BUT THERE WAS OTHERS IN THE WORLD AT THAT TIME...AND MILLIONS WERE KILLED BECAUSE

OF GREED. THEN I MIGHT SIT AND LISTING ,If not I can stay home watch fantasy on tv..

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How can it be? It's so cruel...

by Newborn in

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...that my only sister shuns me????.

sorry but i feel so miserable and i miss her enormously:-(.

it hurts when i write her (e-mail, letters, sms) but she doesn't reply.

jam

My son letter to his sister, she is still in, he is out over 10yrs. and he has never been DF.

He was schedule for a business meeting in her state,so he call her and told her he would love to see her for lunch

and introduce his new girl friend, not to stay with her but too have lunch..Because he is not Df they stay in contact.

Well she wrote him and told him she can not have lunch with him, in fact it would be best if they didn.t see each

other.. MY son letter, ------ This is all nonsense to me now.. Our family has already lost a generation to this dysfunction

and I will not expose my son to any more..You are an adult and have to live with the decision that you make. I

have to do the same. Simply following a set of rules(JW) do not make people more honorable and ethical.

If you believe that your supreme being will turn against you because you make mistake, then you will never

experience unconditional love..And tragically, your daughters will never experience unconditional love from you.

You have to do what you feel is right to protect you your family, and I have to do the same.. I don,t want you

to ever contact me and my son again..My ex wife and I have worked diligently to parent our son with love,

respect, and affection..We surround him with people that respect the differences in others, love their fellow man, and truly

understand the meaning of unconditional love. I don,t want him exposed to judgmental people who believe

that they have a lock on the truth; they can choose to turn their love off and on. He will never have to live

with that sort of dysfunction. Good by.. I told my son are you sure you want to send this..Well my daughter sent him a very moving

E-mail They are trap...They are hurting also

My daughter E-mail

Before you close the door on our relationship, I want you to hear me out. Even if you did not write in haste or

anger, what you said to me is very hurtful..I have been anguising for weeks over how to approach you because

I did not know how you would respond. It would have been easier if you had told me that you were angry and

hurt and didn,t understand my feelings. It also hurt you involved your son. I never wanted to end a relationship

with my nephew. He has a special place in my heart as the first grandchild and nephew family. I love the fact

that he is a loving and caring of others. And that is credit to you and your ex.

This is between you and me and not even your new girl friend..Because if you got married tomorrow, I would

welcome her with open arms into our family..And I still love you, it is conditional. My feelings don,t change

regardless of your lifestyle.I will always love you as my brother and I was not saying goodbye.

Ifelt that I had to bring up the situation, of you living togather without being married, because circumstance

change.I hope that you will change your situation so that we can enjoy each others company again.I bellieve

that you know that I love you and my nephew. And I hope that you remember that you and I hold to a higher

standard than the rest of the world does because you and I willingly dedicated our lives to Jehovah and promised to obey Him. I am not judging you, but am listening to what Jehovah tells us. I sincerely believe that He is father that has our best

interest at heart. Even when it,s a truly difficult thing for me to say to you. That,s what makes this situation

different than associating with any of our worldly relatives or even our brother------. They are not dedicated

and did not promise to obey God,s laws..We can expect them to have a different standard of living.

It,s the same thing with our Dad. I hate that I cannot see him and that my girls don,t know him as a grandfather.

They know his name and know his picture and my oldest remembers seeing him a few times. I love dad, but

I agreed to live by Jehovah,s laws..No one force me or made that decision for me..Maybe you think I don,t care

about dad or that I have not forgivin him because I don,t talk very much how I feel. But every time that

I see dad,s brother, I long to see my dad because because they remind me so much of other. I would love

to see what he thinks of my girls and share my stories about them, but to me it is a matter of relationship

with Jehovah which I hold dearly.

So don.t think that I have written you off, nor think that what I said was easy to tell you. Reconsider

what you are saying If that you don,t want me or mom to ever speak to you or your son again.

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To SO CAL: What CO's and DO's do we all know?

by IreallydidwalkoutofaKH in

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okay, in order it goes like this for me............brother peace 1980-83, brother rose 1984-86, brother yasko 1986-88, brother sekella 1988-91, brother billy ford 1992-95, brother davis 1996-99, brother irskin 2000-03 and then it gets kinda blurry....brother burge and another, brother hairston.

okay, that just about does it.

i have this topic becauce i tried reading the favorite co and do thread, but did not recognize any names......

jam

There was a couple name G. Rainee that lived in the Pasdena ca area around the 70,s..He was white

she was black, not sure if I am spelling the name correct, but they move to Africa.He became a CO and DO

and branch overseer. Gary had a photogenic mind, very nice couple..Are they still around?

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To SO CAL: What CO's and DO's do we all know?

by IreallydidwalkoutofaKH in

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okay, in order it goes like this for me............brother peace 1980-83, brother rose 1984-86, brother yasko 1986-88, brother sekella 1988-91, brother billy ford 1992-95, brother davis 1996-99, brother irskin 2000-03 and then it gets kinda blurry....brother burge and another, brother hairston.

okay, that just about does it.

i have this topic becauce i tried reading the favorite co and do thread, but did not recognize any names......

jam

carl Dyson and I go way back.. We serve in Belize togather. He was a CO in that country before he was appointee in NY.

He gave the talk at my sister funeral a few years back..Carl is one of the most intelligent person I have ever met. He would have been

a great politician..He was a super elder in the 70,s and 80,s..All the local elders were Dyson want to be..He also gave some

parties, in 70,s a lot of drinking, the good times..He is not in the circuit work, and is serving in the Pasdena area..

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The three greatest teachings of Jesus

by darth frosty in

the three greatest teachings of jesus.

are all cancelled out by the practices and teaching of the fds.

jesus gave three outstanding examples of what it is to be a follower of his and the actions and mindset that you should have, all three of these teachings or example's are diminished by the practices of jw's.

jam

I have wonder, how would christianity evolved without the writing of paul..If the bible ended with the four gospel...It seems to me Paul was on a mission for him self..He made a lot of rules that took away from what jesus was teaching...

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Waters above the Firmament as the source of rain

by VM44 in

from the king james bible.

god said, "let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

and god made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

jam

nomoreguilt...gen.1;14 let them be for signs and for seasons..Where did all the water go after the flood? All the rivers remain the same,Gen2;10

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Did You NOT Do Certain Things For People Because U Had To Get Your Time In?

by minimus in

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i knew many people that were in need of assistance within the congregation that never got helped because the "friends" were more focused on getting their field service time in as opposed to helping those within the "brotherhood".

were you one of those ever in need that got ignored because the brothers and sisters were more involved in "theocratic" pursuits?.

were you one of those that routinely ignored the needy because you had more important spiritual responsibilities to take care of?.

jam

my mom was bedridden for a year before she died.. There are six brothers and sisters in my family. So for one year we would each spend 24hrs shifts with our mom in her home. A nurse for a few hrs. doing the day and then would take over until the next day until one of my brothers or sisters arrive.Two members in our family are JW, three non JW and me df..The one sister a jw, the only one that could not meet her commitment. Her meetings were more important.She would come to me , so I would take her shift...Cold, the person who gave birth and help her financlally...When my mom pass, she was first in line for her share of the will..

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Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and those who leave cults

by Lady Lee in

quite a few people on jwd have said they suffer from complex post traumatic stress disorder ( c-ptsd).

i'm not sure how well this issue has been discussed.

c-ptsd is slightly different than ptsd.

jam

I have told my story before, my ptsd. To make along story short..I was suffering from Ptsd when I became a JW.. I served in viet nam in 67-68.1cav div.. I drink a lot as a JW but was able move up over the years and became a elder...But when I walk away from the borg. thats when the problems begain..I eventually got help from the VA when I was diagnose with ptsd...He told me I kept it under control with my faith, even thou I had nightmares all those years..When i got out of the borg..there was a period of time i really begain to drink heavy.I was discharge out of the army 1968, became a jw 1970. The va doctor told me , because of the damage from viet nam, and becoming a jw and not receiving help at a early time I have irreversible damage, chemical unbalance..The fainting spells begain, sometimes up too 8hrs.,my driving privileges where taken away, all this before I received help...A strange thing happen with me as the years pass.With veit nam It dawn on me, many times i was so close to death, I was young.With the Jw is was so controlling. But I have moved on, even thou iam 100% disable I have not been as happy in my life since high school..My wife tells me all the time I am a nut , I am a very happy nut..

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What non-issues did you get "counseled" about?

by rebel8 in

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i was "counseled"* for being mad that my jw boyfriend began dating my sister.

it was wrong of me to have feelings.

any embarrassment i felt was due to being puffed up with pride.

jam

my ex and I was counseled for winning a large sum of money on a tv show in the 70,s...They told us it might stumble someone..Well i guess it did ,because I have seen many Jw over the years on these shows..They go in groups...