Hmm, yes, sign a petition to encourage the reckless endangerment of children. Did you forget how highly the WBTS value potential martyrs for the cause? Some people have very short memories.
Posts by Caedes
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87Brett King (Jehovah's Witness) Releases Video of why he removed his ill son, Ashya, from a UK hospital
by jwleaks in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14etqn9zpwk .
jw leaks.
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Brett King (Jehovah's Witness) Releases Video of why he removed his ill son, Ashya, from a UK hospital
by jwleaks in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14etqn9zpwk .
jw leaks.
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Caedes
I had a relative who had both chemo and radiotherapy recently and it did involve umpteen blood transfusions. my experience of the doctors involved was that they were very caring and had only the interests of the patient at heart.
I doubt the parents version of events especially as I know that in the case of my relative he had the opportunity to use his private medical insurance and this option was discussed quite readily by the NHS doctors involved. I suspect that there is more to this story than meets the eye, the coverage by the media has given away very little information about the reasons for the removal of the child from medical care or what triggered that decision.
Given the JWs history I find the story from the doctors to be far more believeable. After all why would you take a sick child on a very long road trip to spain, why not just fly? It would be cheaper and quicker. The fact that they got to the continent by ferry suggests that they knew they would get stopped by the police if they flew.
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9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi
by EndofMysteries inhttp://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.
"a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.
another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.
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Caedes
I don't see that responding to your post is me 'blasting' you, I responded point by point to your post that I quoted. You were the one claiming that an accident with a nail gun or car or skis is the same as one with a military grade weapon.
I was responding to what you wrote only and haven't claimed that you were advocating children firing automatic weaponry, that should be clear from my post.
What I would say is that you do seem to be defending the indefensible by claiming this was just an accident, at what point do responsible gun owners say there is a discourse to be had with regards to sensible gun control. So far it looks like the only people who have a say in the US is irresponsible gun owners and their knee-jerk aversity to any kind of gun controls whatsoever.
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Child with brain tumour taken from UK hospital by JW parents
by Fe2O3Girl inhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28978655.
a five-year-old boy with a brain tumour has been taken without consent from hospital by his parents, sparking a major police hunt for the family.. ashya king was taken from southampton general hospital and is now believed to be in france with his parents and six siblings.. police said he needs constant medical care and there are "serious concerns" for his life if he is not found today.. brett king, 51, and naghemeh king, 45 removed him from the ward on thursday.. ashya's father was pictured taking him from the hospital"everyone is sending their love now.
we love you so much and we want to see you very soon and i love you so much and can't wait to see you.".
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Caedes
Oops I shouldn't take so long between writing a post and hitting submit!
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Child with brain tumour taken from UK hospital by JW parents
by Fe2O3Girl inhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28978655.
a five-year-old boy with a brain tumour has been taken without consent from hospital by his parents, sparking a major police hunt for the family.. ashya king was taken from southampton general hospital and is now believed to be in france with his parents and six siblings.. police said he needs constant medical care and there are "serious concerns" for his life if he is not found today.. brett king, 51, and naghemeh king, 45 removed him from the ward on thursday.. ashya's father was pictured taking him from the hospital"everyone is sending their love now.
we love you so much and we want to see you very soon and i love you so much and can't wait to see you.".
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Caedes
I'm just asking, but the BBC report doesn't mention that they are JWs. Does the youtube video state that they are JWs?
When I heard this news this morning I did wonder if they were.
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9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi
by EndofMysteries inhttp://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.
"a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.
another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.
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Caedes
Flawed logic caedes.
Accidents happen, whether through deliberate misuse of something or if all safety precautions have been observed.
A firearm is a tool (whether for hunting, self-defense or target shooting) and has an inherent risk in using it. Power saws and air nailers are also tools that have an inherent risk in their use. And, even when done safely, accidents still happen.
The difference is when a carpenter accidentally cuts off a finger or hand with a power saw, no one begins clamoring for the banning of power saws.
If this girl was being instructed in the use of an air nailer, and she accidentally killed her instructor with that air nailer, would you use the same argument you used above??
ADCMS
Yes, accidents do happen even if all safety precautions have been taken. In this case however the correct safety precaution would have been to not give a small 9 year old child a high powered military grade full auto weapon.
Some firearms may be tools, an uzi cannot be used for any of the things you mentioned, it is far too indiscriminate a weapon.
As I stated in my earlier post those items have a use beyond killing people and thus is a risk we bear as a society.
No, I wouldn't use the same argument because an air-powered nail gun has a use that is not killing people, I stated that quite clearly in my earlier post.
Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean their logic is faulty, however there may be a fault in your logic if you cannot see that indiscrimate military grade weapons do not sit in the same category as cars, motorbikes, power tools or any of the other things that could potentially cause a fatal accident. All of those other things have some sort of beneficial use, an uzi is only of use if you want to kill someone. You couldn't even use it for self defense since it is such an indiscriminate weapon.
People have fatal accidents with all sorts of inoccuous objects, that doesn't mean we should not exercise common sense with regard to how really dangerous equipment is allowed to be used. I can see no problem with the fact that I had to go through rigorous tests to obtain car and motorbike licenses to show that I can operate those machines safely. I am unable to drive a heavy goods vehicle because I have not had the training or taken the test to show that I can operate such a dangerous machine safely. A child would not even be allowed to do the training or take the test.
If you cannot see how it would be appropriate to apply the same logic to even more dangerous machinery then I would have to say that you are beyond reason on this topic.
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9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi
by EndofMysteries inhttp://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.
"a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.
another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.
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Caedes
The difference being that the car or the skis have a use and thus only caused an accident through misuse, the Uzi has only one purpose and that is what it was used for.
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JDubs and home schooling
by Ignoranceisbliss inrecently i had a conversation with a close witness friend.
i have always viewed him as moderate.
not full j-dub nut bag witness style.
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Caedes
I noticed on the infographic that most of the sources they quote are not exactly independent.
Look, other home schoolers say that homeschooling is the best and here are some right wingers who don't like public schooling.
I doubt that the real data is anything like that one sided.
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Atheists and JWs are on the same footing!
by exWTslave inatheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.
jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.
interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.
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Caedes
Philosophy my ass. Isn't training in logic part of the curriculum in philosophy? Just because you bandy a few compliments about, it doesn't automatically follow that athiests are missing the serenity you attribute to us.
Jgnat,
Always cutting straight to the point. Please let me doff my cap to you! Not that I have either a cap to doff or a handy martini!
The woo is strong in this one indeed.
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You should meet Brother Smart Engineer
by garyneal inmy wife, who now thinks i am not competent enough to discuss spiritual matters with the kids, thinks that i could really benefit from discussing matters of the bible with this nasa engineer who attends meetings at her kingdom hall.
apparently, he is quite knowledgeable in the bible and has a good grasp of their doctrines.
at least according to her as i never actually spoken with the man at length but i do know that he is an elder.
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Caedes
I don't want to sound like I'm splitting hairs, but is an engineer a scientist? To my knowledge, engineers apply science but don't "do" science. They apply principles which they learn in school but they don't perform scientific studies to discover new information and test hypotheses.
Therefore, they are not trained to have the critical mindset of a scientist. This is why so many engineers are religious, because they don't have the same standards of evidence as scientists. They look at a natural object that is complex and works well, and assume it is designed because they do similar work themselves.
I am an engineer, partly the problem resides in the fact that engineer is not a protected title, anyone can call themselves an engineer. No doubt the guy who comes to fix your plumbing or heating will call themselves an engineer.
It also depends on what specialisation the engineer goes into, personally I work in research and development and so we are looking for new ways of doing things, we work with universities to test new ideas. Engineering is practical science so at it's best it does use the exact same mindset as a scientist. If I am designing something I want to see empirical evidence that it works, I want to find anything that proves me wrong and I have to have my peers look at my work critically to find flaws and mistakes.
I don't see design in natural objects, in fact the design work I do tells me that there are some examples of natural objects that you wouldn't design that way ever if you had a choice.
Whilst I have no doubt that some engineers are religious (particularly in an overly religious country) doesn't mean that we all are.