I just want to defend John's side. No he is not making it up. I was in the same position. Respected by everyone in the circuit and beyond. I was requested to give talks. I was one of those elders that everyone could joke with. Even sisters would joke and tell me to shut up and say I wasn't a "normal" elder, so they could speak to me that way. People would come to me and tell me their real feelings about other wolf-like elders. Then suddenly, vinman vanishes. Everyone in the circuit knows in their heart that I would NEVER leave. Even the elders who attacked me by phone, know that is the case. It has only been 11 months for me. I expect that if certain ones see me ( esp. after watching that broadcast) they will ask. I had told those elders on the phone just prior to the broadcast, that this overlapping generation is just crap. It ia not scriptural and they are just making it up. You know that they must be thinking about what I told them. That broadcast was hideous. I believe that is one of the reasons why no one has come to me YET. Many are afraid that vinman knows something that they are not ready to hear. Vinman does not leave organization without good cause!!!
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Just had a former elder friend tell me, “This Overlapping generation is crap.
by John Aquila inlast night i ran into a former elder friend, he is in his late 70s.
he asked how i was doing and i asked how he was doing.
then out of the blue he tells me; .
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It had sounded to good to be true.
by The Rebel inbecause it wasn't true anyway.
it was a dream.
the insanest dream, to believe that i was going to live forever.. but today i am alive, and i am determined to travel the seconds between life and death aware of my mortality.
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I feel personally, I am doing alright since it has only been 10 months. My mom has stopped talking to me even though I am not disfellowshipped. But I still have my wife, children, and grand children. I did have a friend that exited with me. In addition, as I said before, I still am a strong believer in the Bible, although at first, I had to reinforce that by comparing all other sides of the argument. I meditate on how the prophets of old were often alone because God's "organization" was always corrupt. This makes me feel strong and bold to declare the real truth to anyone I encounter. I believe all of this has helped to make it a smoother transition and I am very grateful because I understand that many don't have it as easy. I am still angry with the Watchtower but not bitter. Bitterness just gives them the victory. Habakkuk, 3:17-19: " For though the fig tree doesn't flourish, nor fruit be in the vines; the labor of the olive fails, the fields yield no food; the flocks are cut off from the fold, and there is no herd in the stalls: - yet I will rejoice in Yahweh. I will be joyful in the God of my salvation! Yahweh, the Lord, is my strength. He makes my feet like deer's feet, and enables me to go in high places." -
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WHEN people leave a cult...MAN landed on the moon? Or critical thinking......
by The Rebel ini believe anyone who has voluntarily left a cult has shown they can adapt to new solutions, and have used " critical thinking" skills otherwise most would not have left.. yet i believe a safe place for support is still needed and this safe place i believe is searched for.. now i may not measure up to much in ways of education, but for me personally " critical thinking skills" = " new" a " new" way of thinking, that takes time for me the individual to be visual and to contemplate.
and the more i read about " critical thinking," the more convinced i am that i can live with the ridicule of those that claim i do not possess it.
furthermore i would say those that criticise others " critical thinking skills," often luck the sensibility and thoughts to snore, spit, and fart....nor would they understand a room full of tobacco smoke and cheap booze...where " critical thinking " can often be found in its most profound, in the most sensitive poems and "pictures" that were ever drawn.
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Has anyone seen this video?
by vinman inabout 4 months back, apostate lon posted a youtube video entitled watchtower society broadcasts pagan symbol.
i try not to believe in conspiracy theories but that symbol just doesn't belong there...hmm.
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Has anyone seen this video?
by vinman inabout 4 months back, apostate lon posted a youtube video entitled watchtower society broadcasts pagan symbol.
i try not to believe in conspiracy theories but that symbol just doesn't belong there...hmm.
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About 4 months back, Apostate lon posted a YouTube video entitled Watchtower Society Broadcasts Pagan Symbol. I try not to believe in conspiracy theories but that symbol just doesn't belong there...hmm. -
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The Greatest Paradox
by Perry innow that i have been a born again christian for 10 years, i see things that just boggles my mind.
like this: we all spent untold hours in the field service telling people (mostly christians) about the paradise earth.
that was the reason we were at their door.
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I am always happy to learn that someone like yourself has not abandoned God. I haven't, and I can't express how happy I am inside. I have discovered two beautiful truths that bring the entire Bible together. Two things that remove all the "clutter". Two things that make the Bible so easy to understand. I will not spill my thoughts about those things here. While I do respect you, from what you say on your posts, it feels so complicated. I could never trade what I have discovered, for such complexity. -
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Humanism and Witnisam.
by The Rebel inwell it seems for many on this board the time came to leave the w.t and cross the bridge in to a real world.
speaking for myself l feel i did not enter the cold and lonely world i was lead to believe i was entering.
rather i have discovered it was no great loss leaving a world that had protected me with false, dreams, fantazy and false promises.. but what have i really achieved by my leaving that i value?.
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I personnally feel that since I have left, my mind and my body are at total rest. Even though I say I loved my previous life, that was only because that was all I knew. Now, even little things don't cause stress. Such as working overtime and having to race home to go to the meeting, or having to force yourself out in preaching work just so you can continue to qualify as an elder. EVERYDAY is a joyous day. Not that I don't have any problems that life brings, it is just that my time, is MY Time. I also feel so much more human inside. I feel sorry to see that disabled vet, instead of saying "here is a magazine" and thinking "that's what you get when you go to war." I love my family more than ever. I thought I did before. But the organization took away all your thinking and emotions in some way. Your first thoughts were meetings, field service, talks, elder crap and so forth. My life has slowed down, and now I truly bask in each moment. I feel that I have become a true man. A powerful man at that. I can look at the GB or any elder and say you are not going to tell me what to do. I will do what I want and on my terms. When I recently told two elders that I will serve Yahweh according to my conscience and no one is going to tell me how, I felt at that moment I could fly. I have become the man I truly am. -
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bottom line on new generation thinking -very simple
by nowwhat? inwhen they came up with the overlapping generations new lite, they must have received alot of "where's the scriptural precedent?!
so they came up with the account of joseph and his brothers to shut them up.
still they are trying to make a round peg fit in a square hole to fit 1914 in the equation.
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This organization is based on 1914, not Christ. Without it, the GB lose all credibility. Of course that has already happened. But if they stop teaching this nonsense, then 1919 can't exist. Desparate times call for desperate measures. -
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WTB&TS has invested $40,000,000 in November 2007 in a Hedge fund located in the Cayman Islands, a tax haven
by sammy inwtb&ts has invested $40,000,000 in november 2007 in a hedge fund located in the cayman islands, a tax haven.
the document is from the official website : securities and exchange commission:.
http://www.sec.gov/archives/edgar/vprr/07/9999999997-07-048801 .
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Am I missing something? How do I know that these documents are concerning the Watchtower Society?😕 -
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Deconstructing Splanes 'Generation' explanation
by Splash inat around 4 minutes into the september 2015 video splane said "for the man and the baby to be part of josephs generation they would have had to have lived at least some time during joseph's lifespan.".
this is the lynchpin of the wt argument, that two lives must overlap to be considered the same generation.. let's take an example of twins who are born just a few minutes apart.
obviously, these twins are the same generation as each other.
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Yes, they lied. Just another weapon in my arsenal I will have to share with elders.